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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo
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The only way to really fix boltshot is by taking it out of the loadout options.
The way I read it, the EMP still occurs, there's just no damage at all now.
With that change, betrayal booting should definitely be put on everywhere, though. The only playlist that shouldn't have it on is Grifball.
The Henery
Member
Um, not sure if it was clear enough but I was joking when I said the overwhelming majority of the community wanted flinch in Halo so 343 obliged them. I can't remember seeing a single post in the history of my time on Halo forums where somebody stated they wanted the flinch mechanic implemented in Halo.
This was the approach for the Sentinal Beam in Halo 3. It was available in customs but never saw the light of day in MM outside of maybe one crazy maption sack map. If you used it you knew why; the thing was overpowered - much like the binary rifle and incineration cannon are overpowered. They're in practically every list in mainstream MM though.
Read before you post
Maybe he did read before he posted? Perhaps he read from the official outlet for information regarding the upcoming throwdown playlist? If one goes to waypoint and reads that the upcoming competitive playlist has personal ordnance but it doesn't state that that ordnance is select AA's only should we really lambast people for coming on Gaf to bemoan those things? Not everyone has time to wade through forums to find an obscure post by Bravo.
Hardlight Shield is worse than Jetpack imo. It's almost Armour Lock on wheels. Dislike both but I've raged at HLS more than Jetpack in Halo 4. Decent players using HLS can become incredibly annoying and frustrating.
You're thinking of the non-hitscan light rifle mate.
When you say balanced though what do you mean? If that means the original vision that people would use the BR up close and the DMR at range (instead of what we have now where the DMR dongs at all ranges) then that veers towards rock paper scissors and that's not appropriate for competitive play. How would you like to see the DMR balanced out of interest?
As for throwdown I'm happy that it's BR starts only, or more accurately, I'm happy that it's forced weapon starts to a single rifle. The first month or so of Halo 4 I switched between BR and DMR but eventually settled on DMR in all five loadouts which is a shame because I found BR battles to be more fun than DMR battles but unfortunately using the BR basically puts you at a disadvantage so it's out of the question.
I've wanted a BR only playlist in Halo 4 since launch if only to see if what I suspect - that the game without the DMR would be noticeably better - is true. The v2 option in throwdown will offer that opportunity. Now for a BR only BTB please!
Reagan's BR
Banned
The only way to "fix" Halo is to remove loadouts and sprint entirely among other things.
This is no true, at least for me it isnt, on encounters i have where me and my opponent fight on equal conditions in a close range situation, and my opponent has a DMR, i usually win the 1 v 1, where i only get killed when my opponent skills are clearly superior than myne. (or my connection is very laggy)
My use of BR and DMR is 80/20, lately even less, where i only use the DMR whem Im playing BTB and the other teams is just destroying us.
My working habit with the BR? Always avoid long range confrontations, but as a general rule i did this even having the ZB DMR on Reach.
I'd say the first thing is to remove the randomness from the game first. Then you focus on the things that significantly change halo, i.e. custom loadouts, perks, armor abilities etc. I don't believe sprint will be removed EVER, especially since it's now a staple in almost every FPS.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Wait, people are still not happy with the updates? Competitive playlist, TU, etc? Will Halo 4 ever satisfy some of you?
Sprint is necessary. Loadouts I'd at least hear arguments against.
Sprint is necessary. Loadouts I'd at least hear arguments against.
Zeouterlimits
Member
The only way to fix Halo is a magic sauce known to naught.
There's no guarantee that making Halo 2 - 2 or Halo 3 - 2, those games in the Halo 4 engine would keep the same level of success those games did.
There's no guarantee that making Halo 2 - 2 or Halo 3 - 2, those games in the Halo 4 engine would keep the same level of success those games did.
The Librarian
Banned
Um, what? Perks, custom loadouts, and AAs are what's random.
They can make Halo 4 play almost as Halo 2 and people will find stuff to complain about.
no bullets hans
Neo Member
That announcement trailer still gives me goosebumps. I'd been a casual gamer for years, picking up last-gen consoles used and playing basically only Star Wars and Zelda games. I'd played Halo CE when it launched at a friend's house but didn't immediately get it (I just remember trying to drive a Warthog on Sidewinder, poorly) and then playing through a couple levels of Halo 2 one night at another friend's house.
I'd been playing KOTOR on an Xbox I picked up used after the 360 had already been out and was watching maybe season 2 or 3 of Red vs. Blue and I decided to go out and pick up a copy of Halo and got hooked. I finished Halo 2 shortly after that.
When that Halo 3 announcement came out, it was like a switch flicked on in my brain. I don't know that I've been that excited about a video game since I got my NES when I was a kid. It kicked my adulthood in the balls and I've been a useless pile of gaming garbage since 2007.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Apparently. 343 is making big steps to "fix" what people thought was "broken" with Halo 4. They add rankings (albeit online) they add a competitive playlist made by Walshy and Bravo themselves that removes AAs, instant spawn, join in progress, etc etc, they add a TU that fixes heaps of things and helps further balance the game, and what do you see the next day?
"343 has no idea what they are doing"
"Kevin Franklin is a confused dog.jpg"
etc. etc.
At this point why don't you guys just stop playing? Or go LAN Halo 2, or play on PC if that's what you want Halo 4 to be.
Those are unequal starts. What's random is the fact I can get a killing spree and only get needlers or speed boosts while someone can get only 3 assists, one destroy vehicle assist because they hit a warthog two times before someone else killed it and get rocket launchers or binary rifles.
There is nothing "random" about a jetpack, nor is it random for some to have a carbine, others to have a DMR, it's just not equal starts. It comes down to rock, paper, scissors gameplay.
Sure you can argue that it's random because you don't know what the other person has till they use it and I agree.
Oh for fuck's sake.
... That is what random is. The other player could start with any one of seven starting weapons. They could start with one of eight AAs. It's pretty much the definition of random.
The Henery
Member
Of course a BR user can beat a DMR user up close but the DMR's aim assist at close range means that it's not difficult to stomp BR users. I do it all the time. The fact that it's very capable up close plus unrivaled at long range means it's the clear choice every time.
Halo needs its version of the wolf. Frankie should become the Wolf. Comes in here, assuages our fears, red x's are coming back, descoping returns etc
No talk of feasability, no 'if's'. The Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTKkfgvwvU&feature=player_detailpage#t=12s
Poker Face
Member
thanks for clarification bravo. im slightly confused as to why that wasn't in the bulletin, but w/e
User 73706
Banned
I wonder if you could balance the primary starting rifles just by making the kill times equal among each. That, and since the DMR isn't going anywhere, to give it a 2x scope and reduced aim assist. Hmmmm.
That would appear to be the option most people are taking.
HiredN00bs
Member
Frankie: I'm sending in The Wolf (Shishka). Feel better, motherfuckers?
BlueScrote
Member
You already know the answer to this. People aren't going to be happy regardless what happens.
Well we know very little about the TU other than the supposed big ticket items.
What 343 is doing now is putting duct tape on the problems, not fixing them.
A TU that fixes an option for customs. Customs are still less customizable from a fun minigames perspective (rip infection).
The boltshot is now a slightly less powerful pocket shotgun, but still a pocket shotgun.
Ranks are a step in the right direction, shame you have to have a computer near you to figure out everyone's rank. Good luck finding that all out in the pre game.
A competitive playlist is the definition of a bandaid for halos problems. They're not bothering fixing the rest of the game, they're giving you a tiny morsel of good, fair, consistent Halo in a sea of fiesta bullshit.
It's kinda sad that I'm at very grateful there's at least one playlist I will like in the game i fell in love with. I wish i could like the whole game.
My favorite way to play Halo, BTB, is still a complete mess
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Indeed. I just find it odd that they announce a very nice sounding competitive playlist that fixes most the issues folks had and somehow it's still shit. Just doesn't make sense to me.
The Librarian
Banned
I'm not speaking to the quality of the playlist or any of the what-have-you surrounding Team Throwdown, but how can a playlist be competitive if it has personal ordnance?
Semantics no? Sure it may seem random to the other player, but someone actively chose DMR, actively chose jetpack. I consider the random elements to be those completely out of ANY players hands i.e. personal/global ordnance etc. People can't choose to get an incineration cannon, a rocket launcher etc.
Let's just agree then that ordnance and loadouts/AA's/Perks need to go.
The people you're referring to have already stopped playing Halo 4 for the most part, some of them for months now. They're not going to stop giving opinions on news that's being released. At this point you should probably be used to their posting style instead of using it to paint with a broader brush.
I guess you can ignore all those posts that detailed the fairly specific issues that some people (I don't happen to be one of them as I think it was largely good news, but hey, I get where they're coming from) have towards the TU and Throwdown details that have been released so far, but you probably couldn't throw in some sneer quotes or overgeneralizations then (y'know, despite the fact that one of the "big ticket items" is a literal bugfix, so yes, "fix" and "broken" are accurate), so that might not have been an option.
That stuff is just as obnoxious as the other extreme can be, same with the "oh, they just want Halo 2 HD" garbage.
no please no PLEASE NO
You will stomp with any weapon at any range if your skills are superior than your opponent, but if both player are equally skilled, BR will go on top most of the time. Of course you can beat someone as good as you with the DmR at close range and your opponent using the BR, but is not going to happen with frequency. When this happens to me, i never blame the gun, i blame myself for not been good enough.
Same reason why the specialization descriptions in-game don't actually tell you what the specialization does, or why you can't see your team score after a team game, or why there are no red x's when a teammate dies, or why you can't see what playlist your friends are playing, why the active roster is buried in a sub menu, or why a summary of custom game settings aren't displayed on the custom lobby screen, or why browsing HaloWaypoint.com is a chore. Because having immediate access to the most relevant information is overrated.
They are barely noticeable trough the game and have no real impact on the match, heck, most of the time i lasted 1 or more minutes without ordering the personal ordnance playing Gamebattles and most of the time i called it out to get that anoying display from my screen.
I thought they fired shishka at the sun in 2010.
Uh no, while yes the BR is suited for mid-range combat, you don't factor in that most games are not 1v1 straight duels. The size of the maps, the spawns, teammates all factor into overall gameplay.
What this means is, rarely if ever is any BR user going to even get close enough to you on Valhalla to effectively negate the DMR's usefulness. Then you factor in things like the boltshot.
So I can pick off most BR users before they even get close, if it's not me, it'll be my 4+ teammates who spawn close by and also most likely have DMR's. If you somehow still manage to get the drop on me, I'll sprint away or hide and have my boltshot ready.
Add in flinch, and you can pretty much guarantee the DMR will down you before you even get close.
Hydranockz
Member
By having the Personal Ordnance not be random?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
So as soon as you add ordinance it becomes completely noncompetitive? Have they not tweaked the actual drops to fit the competitive community (serious question). It seems they've done 80-85% of what people were asking for in a competitive playlist. They even brought in outside help like a lot of people were calling for at launch.
Oh come on, don't generalize my replies in that kind of way. You know where I stand overall. It just bothers me that the minute 343 tries to work with the community and build any kind of goodwill by bringing in MLG pros and competitive gamers to make a playlist for those looking for something more competitive in Halo 4 a handful of the people that were clamoring for pros to intervene just write it off before even playing it.
I just think Halo 4 will never be Halo 2, or Halo 3, it's a new game. They can do tweaks like this to make playlists feel better to people who like the Halo 2 gameplay, but it's still going to have the Halo 4 flare.
I typically just brush it off anymore, just every once in a while it'll bug me. Today is one of those days. 343 announces a good amount of changes and people just write them off in the first hour. Oh well!
Totally. Reeks of spoilt children who need to go outside for a few hours.
Huh? We are talking about small sized maps.
The Librarian
Banned
How is it not random in the playlist?
NobleGundam
Banned
XBLGamerhub UK - "We can confirm that XBLG will be featured on Halo Waypoint! We will keep you updated."
I'm assuming this isn't what the "Top Secret Project" they're referring to yesterday.
I'm assuming this isn't what the "Top Secret Project" they're referring to yesterday.
Totally, I get that - for the most part, I personally thought yesterday's news was largely a nice step in the right direction, but I just don't like how pages of actual nuance tend to get skimmed over and all that ends up sticking in someone's mind are the loudest dissenting opinions from folks who prooobably weren't going to change their minds at this point without radical overhauls. It's really not directed at you specifically, but there's been a lot of that in the last few months (see: every instance of that "oh, they just want Halo 2 HD, any change is unwelcome!" fallacy that's been uttered since November) and it's frustrating to see. You and I have no problems as far as I'm concerned, that just kind of bugs me when it happens.
Except for sneer quotes. I don't like them so much.
Nonetheless, I could upload hundreds of films where there was a BR user at close to mid-range and I had a DMR and won. I'm a good player, but I'm nowhere near top tier and it occurs quite frequently. It's essentially the same argument Ozzy put up, that I put down quite frequently: it works in theory, but not in practice.
Once this playlist gets out the only complain people are going to have is abandon slayer and people who dont want the BR. Those concern on the Personal ordnance will disappear.
Sorry for double post
If you won close range you are better, there is nothing more to it than that. I have beaten people using DMR at large range, that doesnt make the BR better, doesn't it?
If you won close range you are better, there is nothing more to it than that. I have beaten people using DMR at large range, that doesnt make the BR better, doesn't it?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I get you there. I try not to feed into that "sweeping statements" crowd because I think it's unfair to everyone, even those who I disagree completely with. I have no issues with anyone on HaloGaf, but I do have issues with how the opinions are shared at times. I'd assume a lot of folks here are the same way no matter which side they are on in regards to the game.
Overall Halo 4 is always going to be Halo 4. I think it's pretty awesome that 343 is at least attempting to carry on the Bungie legacy of being directly involved with the community and taking feedback from them to change the game or make certain playlists for certain groups of players. They could have just kicked Halo 4 out and moved on, but I know the folks there care more about the community and series than that.
Just kills me to see them take a big step in the right direction and then immediately have people shit all over it. I guess that's the nature of the industry, and the internet overall. I'm hoping they keep it up though, and keep tweaking the game to make the most people happy that they can. I like a lot of the base Halo 4 stuff but I also dislike a handful of the changes (as I've outlined before). There are a lot of folks here that have great ideas for tweaks to help the game, and it's good to see 343 is listening a bit.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
What kind of backwards logic is this?
The DMR is more powerful at ANY range than the BR. If it wasn't id be picking a different loadout in Doubles Slayer.
Frequency is the point I'm making. My winning with the DMR happens so much more frequently than the BR.