Zeouterlimits
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True that the console is doing terribly? Definetely.
True that Domino's attitude was.. entertaining in a way he didn't intend? Others on podcast said the same as Domino without such an effect.
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True that Domino's attitude was.. entertaining in a way he didn't intend? Others on podcast said the same as Domino without such an effect.
User 73706
Banned
Alright, hear me out here.
Competitive Slayer has no AAs, no sprint, quake-level movement speed and jump height with minimal momentum.
Standard Slayer has three cycle-through-able AAs: sprint, thruster, and double jump. The armor abilities have high momentum similar to Reach.
BTB (Extraction, Invasion, Dominion, Slayer, Safe Havens) is class-based: everyone has high movement speed and sprint to compensate for gigantic next-gen maps. In addition to this, you're given a few armor abilities per "class" (which only determines armor ability, not your loadout weapons). Examples include Scout having thruster and jump jet, Chevalier having Hardlight Shield and Auto Turret, and so on.
I completely understand the map complaint - I specifically made some modifications in order to get us some Quake-style map options and wide open vistas for BTB. Why do you think I got rid of the DMR and reduced the aim assist range of the Light Rifle?
Include an option that when you hit the sprint button your spartan moves at the same speed but he moves his arms so it looks like he's running so those that want to be at a gameplay disadvantage at the expense of looking cool and immersive can be.
No, but seriously, I wish sprint never infected Halo, but its here and its gonna stay. The people love it. It's become a standard FPS staple. Anyone rallying or hoping for its removal is gonna be disappointed.
But now im not sure if I want the exit out of sprint to be faster or should you include the penalty for being caught in sprint?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
How would a better running animation be a disadvantage?
I don't know why you post it over and over... Why would they add an animation to make it look like you are sprinting when the base speed hasn't changed and you are in fact not sprinting?
I get you apparently need to feel like you are sprinting, but why? We're not playing Usain Bolt's: Be A Legend sprint simulator. Were playing a first person shooter, and the last thing I want is my screen to shake and sway as if I'm running.
I think you're just too used to mirror's edge or something, I think you mentioned it was one of your fave games.
Sprint doesn't work in Halo.
How do you propose to "better" the running animation without drastically changing what the arms are doing (and thus introducing either discontinuities in switching between moving and shooting, or requiring a delay)? The legs are already basically running. They could perhaps use a slightly more aggressive-looking movement, which would be expected if we use faster base movement (i.e. Halo 1 legs).
Well... unless you skip a bunch of animation frames and go from a running animation to shooting, then I guess not.
Do you just want the weapon to bob more? Because how is it gonna look if someone is moving at top speed and then starts firing?
The way I see it, Halo's movement has always been like Navy SEALS on steroids and in power armor. I watched Act of Valor the other day and the way they move is gun always up, aiming down their sights, and what equates to power walking. They move fast, but they don't run.
Spartans should be able to move at a very quick pace and keep their guns stable. Sprint messed with a lot of things.
Maps are made bigger.
There's this trade off between combat ability and speed. Instead of everyone being fast and combat ready you have to choose between the two. Some see it as more depth, I see it as uneeded complexity. But who cares. Sprint is here to stay. As are AA's. Shame.
Reduce aim assist, give it a 2x scope, remove bloom, and give it a static reticule with a little spread similar to the CE pistol. Bam, just fixed the DMR for future titles. I like single shot over burst weapons.
Edit: Remove flinch and adding back descoping will also help.
I'm doing the LightRifle at the moment and it is rediculous when put in short and long range fights against the DMR. What damn roll is this weapon supposed to fill if the DMR does both better? Makes no sense.
I agree that the aim assist needs lowering, and the scope reduction should make it less impactful at range and give the LightRifle a place to shine.
The Real Napsta
Member
just use it, then the sandbox is fine. adapt
Yes, I never sell or trade in my games and I play it occassionally with friends.
But both factors are in no relation to what I said. Even if my answerwould be "no" I would already have paid for it, so why not use the thing I payed for.
If I could travel back in time I could change it.
Deal, you get your animations for the looks, we get base speed for gameplay.
BlueScrote
Member
Why exactly doesn't Sprint work in Halo? Is it the fact that it tends to slow down the base movement speed? The increase of "double melee" tactics? The addition of stopping power changed the dynamics a bit with sprint, fixing some issues while introducing others. Or are there other reasons I'm not aware of?
If i could travel back in time, i wouldn't waste it on that, ill rather travel way back, make myself one of MS main decisions maker, and make sure stuff like AA, perks and other stuff never touch the franchise.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I think map design suffers with the introduction of sprint personally. Suddenly everything has to be larger to accommodate people zipping across it.
This is probably the only DMR nerf ever suggested that I agree with.
First and foremost, it changes map design. Maps have to be larger, structures have to be longer, it completely changes the way the game is played. Play a faithful recreation of The Pit or Guardian or Midship with Sprint, you'll notice it right away.
Then, it takes away from gunplay. What were once key battles, are just games of cat and mouse or hide and seek. Instead of having a gun duel, the weaker player will just run away and force you to come after him. Or you won't come close either. For example, on Valhalla, I've clearly outduelled someone, and right before the killing blow, he decides to run away and hide. Now a lot of people did that without sprint, but with sprint, it's a guaranteed get out of jail free card. Player movement is slower, so that I have little hope of catching up to a guy sprinting. He out runs shots, grenades etc.
All the reasons you listed are vital too. I don't know, I'll try to go into more detail later. If you want to make the game faster, increase movement speed, increase strafe speed.
squidhands
Member
Since we're talking about movement animations, can we also get a power-walking animation, or at least a "not sure if I have to fart or shit, where is the nearest bathroom" animation.
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BlueScrote
Member
Interesting. I agree with the map design tending towards larger, thus making weapons like the DMR significantly more powerful. Although I'd argue everybody starting with sprint doesn't break maps anywhere as much as jetpack.
That is a really good point about the cat and mouse aspect. Maybe Halo's slower kill times compared to military shooters just plain doesn't play nicely with sprint. Especially with sandbox's focus on that final headshot with a precision weapon.
What about "stop putting it in the loadouts for [almost] every gametype"
I want them to take the Throwdown V2 gametypes and give them the three non-DMR loadouts from Doubles Pro and normal radar. Then call it 'Infinity+' and run it in TS.
I think that's a good way to put it. On a smaller note, I really hate the 'feel' of coming out of sprint to shoot someone in H4. It's so soft and ambiguous and bleh.
Does anyone else remember when the old Halo 3 trailer came out and people started freaking out about Master Chief sprinting?
After the bubble shield
What kind of things? I bet Elzar would know.
Hot!
Nothing new here.
Orochinagis
Member
I cant believe you guys want sprint to get removed from the game.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Was not saying it was new.
So why are you posting this picture ? Nothing against you, that's just a question, because it seems to be the same picture shared by the Destiny Page on Facebook.
From the PS4 video.
Have you tried the no-sprint modded gametypes? Once you stop mashing the button that used to make you sprint, it's awesome.
It's new to me, is that from Destiny?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Exactly where I took the picture. I posted it because it remind me of halo
NobleGundam
Banned
By "Evil Fx Props & Armor" Holy hell
squidhands
Member
That's a pretty fucking awesome looking helmet. Why couldn't we have something like that instead of all the ugly-ass Spartan helmets.
That's not a solution for the entire game.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Too organic to be military
YourExWife
Member
Cosmo running Super Monkey Ball. PB's err'ywhere http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright
EDIT: nm, he's done now, lol.
EDIT: nm, he's done now, lol.
Alchemical
Neo Member
One thing Madness didn't mention - which I think is key here - is how Sprint forgives bad player position / map movement. So much of the latter is down to good decision-making, map awareness, team co-ordination etc. and Sprint effectively offers you an option to 'undo' bad decisions in this regard, so to speak.
All one has to do to really grasp how this detrimentally impacts gameplay is to imagine watching a game of 4v4 Slayer on a Halo 3 map like Citadel, from an overhead perspective.
What you've essentially got is a fairly simplistic, dynamic algorithm of each player either moving in certain directions or staying still. A simple ebb and flow. Something that is actually fairly easy to unconsciously learn and then use to your advantage, allowing for greater levels of predictability, only excepted / contravened on an individual skill level.
(i.e. Individual decision-making, based on out-thinking the opponent by using the model of systematic predictability, projecting what they think you'll do but doing something different.)
Once you factor the Sprint mechanic into such a game, it immediately brings in a huge host of variables which are almost incalculable (or certainly so during a game, just using your brain!), thus reducing systematic predictability.
Citadel is a good example, just because of its size; even on the most rudimentary level, it's easy to imagine how Sprint can effectively nullify the value of good callouts / communication, due to the added variables in terms of varying movement speed.
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squidhands
Member
Tell that to the people who had the regional luck to get the Locus helmet. :-|Too organic to be military
There were ways around the region-specific stuff. I have both the helmet and the avatar prop, and I haven't even been to a 7-11 in years.
Orochinagis
Member
I wanted that helmet so bad, Only the Dead eye helmet made it to mexico.
Well most of preorder helmets can be obtained later in the game except for the Dead eye and Locust, still 343i promotes those helmets via maps packs screenshots like a slap in your face.
I really loved using the Oceanic Armor early.
squidhands
Member
I really, REALLY hate retailer exclusive shit. It's a horrible practice that can die a painful death any minute now.
BlueScrote
Member
Unlearning the sprint button is rough. Going back and forth between the two gametypes takes a lot of learning/unlearning.
Dibs
Bad news everyone! It's gonna get worse.
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