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Halo: Reach Beta Thread
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I though only your Daily Ratings did. :\LukeSmith said:
Please tell me there's going to be a comprehensive write up on the Arena. I've read every interview and article on the Arena so far, and I apparently still don't understand how it works at all.
If every game counts toward your Division, what's the purpose of the Daily Ratings? Why not just say, "play 10 games to qualify for a Division"? If every game counts, why do they have to be clustered into sets of Daily Ratings if the Divisions consider every game and not the Daily Ratings? I do not understand their function.
GhaleonEB said:I though only your Daily Ratings did. :\
Please tell me there's going to be a comprehensive write up on the Arena. I've read every interview and article on the Arena so far, and I apparently still don't understand how it works at all.
If every game counts toward your Division, what's the purpose of the Daily Ratings? Why not just say, "play 10 games to qualify for a Division"? If every game counts, why do they have to be clustered into sets of Daily Ratings if the Divisions consider every game and not the Daily Ratings?
That makes 2. I've followed everything that has been said between you, Luke and Urk and have no understanding at all about how this system works. One minute it's your best three games, the next it's all games, then bad games have no effect on your division placement except they can under some circumstances make you drop a division. Well the confusion continues. BWU for Arena FAQ?
Zeouterlimits
Member
+1
I spent 20 minutes reading through the B.net Arena Q&A Tyson did and still am still unsure about how some of it works.
I spent 20 minutes reading through the B.net Arena Q&A Tyson did and still am still unsure about how some of it works.
DeadFalling
Member
LukeSmith said:
;_; what?
randomlyrossy
Member
Falagard said:
I get the feeling you might be talking about the ad campaign as a whole but if you're talking about just this 2 minute short I think you are probably mistaken. There wasn't much in that ad that would need a couple of million to make.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Slightly unrelated to the beta, does Best Buy guarantee pre-orders? I have credit at Best Buy but want to be guaranteed a copy of the Legendary edition. If they can't guarantee it I will go to GameStop.
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The Librarian
Banned
I think this is a test. Another way to see how skilled you are. If you don't understand it, you'll likely stay out of the Arena.:lol
squidhands
Member
So, you're saying that this is a marketing campaign directed at the hardcore Halo fans? That makes it even worse.Littleberu said:
My first thought after watching the extended version was that I hoped it was the first part of a larger commercial short, similar to the H3 Blomkamp ads. As it is, it's incredibly flat and without any resonance. Maybe 343 needs to consult you.Falagard said:
GhaleonEB said:I though only your Daily Ratings did. :\
Please tell me there's going to be a comprehensive write up on the Arena. I've read every interview and article on the Arena so far, and I apparently still don't understand how it works at all.
If every game counts toward your Division, what's the purpose of the Daily Ratings? Why not just say, "play 10 games to qualify for a Division"? If every game counts, why do they have to be clustered into sets of Daily Ratings if the Divisions consider every game and not the Daily Ratings? I do not understand their function.
Every game counts, but your X best games make up your Daily Ranking. I had thought originally they said your 3 best games equals your daily ranking.
Devin Olsen
Member
This without a doubt makes waiting that much harder!
Thing is, I work in corporate finance. Building and refining complex models is what I do for a living! I build a beast of a model last quarter, but I can't figure out how the Arena works.Dax01 said:
I need a flow chart on it.
Right, so what's the point of the Daily Rating if every game counts? The Daily Rating is just your top three. Does the DR then feed into something?NJ Shlice said:
I thought it was this:
all games --> top three daily games --> Daily Rating --> 3 Daily Ratings to qualify for Division --> subsequent Daily Ratings influence Division
Meanwhile, in the background:
all games --> impact TrueSkill rating
Now were I to map it out, the Daily Ratings would go into a box that does not subsequently connect to another part of the process.
I'm going to hit up Visio when I get to work. :lol
Hydranockz
Member
If I can, I will try to draw a diagram to explain my understanding of the system
Littleberu
Banned
derFeef said:
Well, I wouldn't know. But I assumed.
Shake Appeal
Member
I'll try to put my understand of the Arena out there as plainly as possible, and Luke (or urk) can correct what I've got wrong.
1. You enter the Arena and play games.
2. As soon as you have played three (?) games, you have a Daily Rating (which is an average of your rating in each of those games?).
3. If you play more than three games, only those that would contribute positively to your Daily Rating count towards your Daily Rating. If your Daily Rating is 1100 after three games and you go on to suck it up, your Daily Rating won't drop, as it is counting your three best games. But if you play three more games that improve on the Rating, it readjusts and takes a new average of the three best games. The more games you play, the more likely it is your average rating will be higher.
4. When you've clocked enough Daily Ratings, you are given a (provisional) Division placement. I think this is based on an average of the best Daily Ratings?
5. As with 3, clocking up more Daily Ratings won't negatively impact your Division placement, because it always takes your best Daily Ratings. But you can positively impact your placement by playing more and collecting a better set of Daily Ratings.
6. The only way your placement goes down is when other players place ahead of you, likely because they're playing more.
1. You enter the Arena and play games.
2. As soon as you have played three (?) games, you have a Daily Rating (which is an average of your rating in each of those games?).
3. If you play more than three games, only those that would contribute positively to your Daily Rating count towards your Daily Rating. If your Daily Rating is 1100 after three games and you go on to suck it up, your Daily Rating won't drop, as it is counting your three best games. But if you play three more games that improve on the Rating, it readjusts and takes a new average of the three best games. The more games you play, the more likely it is your average rating will be higher.
4. When you've clocked enough Daily Ratings, you are given a (provisional) Division placement. I think this is based on an average of the best Daily Ratings?
5. As with 3, clocking up more Daily Ratings won't negatively impact your Division placement, because it always takes your best Daily Ratings. But you can positively impact your placement by playing more and collecting a better set of Daily Ratings.
6. The only way your placement goes down is when other players place ahead of you, likely because they're playing more.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Someone Devin has on his friends list.Phatcorns said:
The Halo Reach Beta.
Right Now.
XBL.
F&F, probably.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Zeouterlimits said:
F&F starts tomorow right, im guessing apart from Bungie guys no one even has access to the thing yet? So who the hell is he playing against?
OuterWorldVoice said:
So, casual conversation, what are you guys currently working on?
Meh thats never going to work, I really am intruiged what all the programmers at 343 are working on right now.
squidhands
Member
Maybe he meant that with every game you play, you run the possibility of making your Daily Rating better (certainly seems that you can't make it worse). I can't wait to see how stupid I feel when the Arena formula is posted.GhaleonEB said:
I originally wanted to be an astronaut, but I was too stupid in teh maths. Monkeys got to go to space, why can't I? :-(
I am Jack's relaxed posture.OuterWorldVoice said:
You have just described my understanding of The Arena system at the time I went to be last night. However, Luke just said "Every game counts toward your division," which blew up my understanding of it. I thought Divisional standing was based on Daily Ratings, but that's not the case if every game counts.Shake Appeal said:
Zeouterlimits
Member
.. Loads in Microsoft have been playing (the alpha & therefore likely the beta).bobs99 ... said:
So you know that if someone was given a code it wouldn't work yet? Because I think it would.
randomlyrossy
Member
bobs99 ... said:F&F starts tomorow right, im guessing apart from Bungie guys no one even has access to the thing yet? So who the hell is he playing against?
So, casual conversation, what are you guys currently working on?
Meh thats never going to work, I really am intruiged what all the programmers at 343 are working on right now.
Judging from what Urk said earlier, the codes are active and someone must've got one early.
Devin Olsen
Member
Friend of minePhatcorns said:
Halo Reach Beta
Since Yesterday
France
Early F&F Code
bobs...onGaf
Member
Zeouterlimits said:
I dont know if they would work or not, but Bungie havent actually sent the codes out yet have they? I guess its pluasable that the people at MS have all been given access codes already though. I just didnt think they would have gone out publically yet.
GhaleonEB maybe Luke meant that every game has the potential to count towards your daily rating if its that game is currently better than the 3 you have? If your Daily rating changes then your division rating would. So maybe its just a really technical way of saying - every game can potentially count?
Shake Appeal
Member
Edit: beaten.
Perhaps he meant "every game counts" in the sense that every game could potentially improve your placement, provided it is good enough. That is, there is no point at which playing more Arena games won't be worthwhile, unless you are the Jesus of Halo and are hitting a near-optimal score.
Perhaps he meant "every game counts" in the sense that every game could potentially improve your placement, provided it is good enough. That is, there is no point at which playing more Arena games won't be worthwhile, unless you are the Jesus of Halo and are hitting a near-optimal score.
BladedExpert
Member
Reading all the Arena stuff has made me go cross-eyed... but I think I have the general idea. Thanks to all who have been trying to nail it down. Now I just need to play some Arena
1.2 jiggabytes.Wizpig said:
randomlyrossy said:
Nope, I'm talking about this 2 minute short costing a couple million to make. These things are very expensive to produce. For example, remember the Halo 3 "Believe" campaign with the old veterans talking about a battle, and the hand sculpted diorama? 10 million dollars.
Maybe a couple million is a bit high, but I'm guessing at least a million would be about right. There are a lot of special effects even in this short clip.
My understanding for Arena is that your "best" score for each day is what your ranking is based on as to what division you are put in. The every game counts thing may just have to do with trueskill and people you are matched up against. We all have good days and bad days playing Halo. This system in theory will put us up against equally matched players even if we are pwning people and getting high scores. 2 equal teams going up against each other is Halo at its best, and I think that is what this system is trying to make happen.
...I also can't believe some of you are bitching about the fricking ad. Its a fricking commercial! I thought the ad was fine for what it was. I imagine as we get closer to September (hopefully) the ads will be more action packed. The ad was more or less a teaser for the good stuff.
I also don't know if anyone commented on this or not but the ammo supply crate in Overlook is a very good indication that Firefight is the true test for Network test 1. Ammo crates are not needed in normal MP due to constant respawning.
...I also can't believe some of you are bitching about the fricking ad. Its a fricking commercial! I thought the ad was fine for what it was. I imagine as we get closer to September (hopefully) the ads will be more action packed. The ad was more or less a teaser for the good stuff.
I also don't know if anyone commented on this or not but the ammo supply crate in Overlook is a very good indication that Firefight is the true test for Network test 1. Ammo crates are not needed in normal MP due to constant respawning.
Diablohead
Member
Semi OT but I finished my first ever run of ODST today, short but sweet, I can see how bungie improved on a few problems Halo 3 had, it was good.
Going back to the halo fave list a few pages back which I saw on my ipod touch, I would have to rate the series so far in this order:
Halo CE (most fun for me)
ODST (great mix of exploration, open city map which works brilliantly)
3 (good campaign on the first run, had it's problems)
2 (snooze campaign even on the first play through, lack of fun is a good way of putting it)
Not played wars yet but it's also by a different studio and a completely different genre.
Going back to the halo fave list a few pages back which I saw on my ipod touch, I would have to rate the series so far in this order:
Halo CE (most fun for me)
ODST (great mix of exploration, open city map which works brilliantly)
3 (good campaign on the first run, had it's problems)
2 (snooze campaign even on the first play through, lack of fun is a good way of putting it)
Not played wars yet but it's also by a different studio and a completely different genre.
dilatedmuscle
Member
Man that Carter video was weak compared to all the last videos.. It would be cool if the make a short video like that for all of Noble Team and then release a battle scene with all of them once all the characters were introduced.
Mr. B Natural
Member
Stuff like this rating system worries me that I'll be tired of Reach as quickly as Halo 3. Bungie's got too loud of a minority fanbase that treats this game like some psuedo-sport (which it isn't and never will be.) If anything, Halo was the definitive casual fps. Just get some friends over and play and watch the hours disappear. That's what made it such a super hit 10 years ago.
People play games for fun. Matchmaking should be fast first, and concerned about "balance" later. If I want to leave after the game because the game isn't balanced enough for my enjoyment, then I will leave on my own behalf. I don't need mr. computer to do that for me. What I need is mr. computer to get me in a game asap so i can have fun.
I don't need mr. computer to give everyone incentive to take this crap too seriously. It's a game. Don't put emphasis on what number rank I am or whatever. Being good at the game should be reward enough for being good at the game. At most, give me a pat on the back, an aesthetic reward, the ability to save my amazing "skillz" in a file when I do good. Go ahead and give me incentive to have fun...not incentive to take the game too seriously (not fun). If I want to start a league or clan and take it to the next level of competitiveness, I will.
Halo 1 is still my (and a lot of people's) favorite halo game. One thing that made it so great is that it didn't count anything. You played with your friends, you had fun. It was as competitive as you want it to be, not what bungie thinks you think it should be.
And before people say "well, you don't have to pay attention to rank/league"...yes, you kinda do. Even if you don't, too many people you play with certainly will. It's the only number that defines you when you play the game. Imagine in COD (or any game for that matter) your KDR was put right in front of your name in a matchmaking lobby and everyone else can see your stats with one button press. What would happen? People will start to take their KDR super seriously...even moreso than usual. It's completely psychological. This is Xbox Live here. People take games seriously enough without your data being flaunted. Your stats are what define you in Halo and has made it a worse game.
People play games for fun. Matchmaking should be fast first, and concerned about "balance" later. If I want to leave after the game because the game isn't balanced enough for my enjoyment, then I will leave on my own behalf. I don't need mr. computer to do that for me. What I need is mr. computer to get me in a game asap so i can have fun.
I don't need mr. computer to give everyone incentive to take this crap too seriously. It's a game. Don't put emphasis on what number rank I am or whatever. Being good at the game should be reward enough for being good at the game. At most, give me a pat on the back, an aesthetic reward, the ability to save my amazing "skillz" in a file when I do good. Go ahead and give me incentive to have fun...not incentive to take the game too seriously (not fun). If I want to start a league or clan and take it to the next level of competitiveness, I will.
Halo 1 is still my (and a lot of people's) favorite halo game. One thing that made it so great is that it didn't count anything. You played with your friends, you had fun. It was as competitive as you want it to be, not what bungie thinks you think it should be.
And before people say "well, you don't have to pay attention to rank/league"...yes, you kinda do. Even if you don't, too many people you play with certainly will. It's the only number that defines you when you play the game. Imagine in COD (or any game for that matter) your KDR was put right in front of your name in a matchmaking lobby and everyone else can see your stats with one button press. What would happen? People will start to take their KDR super seriously...even moreso than usual. It's completely psychological. This is Xbox Live here. People take games seriously enough without your data being flaunted. Your stats are what define you in Halo and has made it a worse game.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
I swear, if Einstein were to sit in front of me and explain E = mc^2, I'd understand it faster than having someone explain Arena to me. :lol
My best guess: dong every game, game says "you're super awesome!" by giving you a colored badge, rinse and repeat every month.
My best guess: dong every game, game says "you're super awesome!" by giving you a colored badge, rinse and repeat every month.
The rank and league assignments ONLY apply to the Arena playlists. There will be more non-Arena playlists than Arena playlists, IIRC. This is something built for the competitive people, social is built for everybody else. I would imagine that there is less Trueskill convergence in Social to help you find exactly what it seems you specifically want: quick games. But at the same time, you don't want to be playing with people who repeatedly beat your nuts into the ground with steel-toed boots. You want a match that has a semblance of fairness so that you have to work for the win but it's still highly achievable.Mr. B Natural said:
In a LAN or splitscreen setting, you could always redistribute the teams so that the better people aren't concentrated on one side. Matchmaking needs to try and do that on the fly, which is why you don't get three second matches.
unrelated edit URK IS TODAY ADVANCED ARENA MATHS DAY? PLEASE SAY YES!
It will be interesting to see how everyone's perceived opinions change after next week. The game will play a bit differently and the way ranking and MM work has mostly no relation to previous games. I look forward to discussing legitimate concerns.
ps Don't nerf the needle rifle!
ps Don't nerf the needle rifle!