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Halo: Reach Beta Thread
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UltimaPooh
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Deputy Moonman said:
As a heavy armor lock user I agree that I get away probably just as much as I get killed. But I disagree on the others. When I go into armor lock my shields 95% of the time never go up, so when I come out I am a sitting duck. If you are waiting to kill me you should check your radar for my teammates, find suitable cover as you wait me out.
How would you change it though? What would you make differently about it?
UltimaPooh said:
I don't mind the fact that it shields you but the TIMING is too fast. The jetpack takes time to boost, the running takes time to boost, and the camo takes time to boost. The armor lock though, it takes affect instantly. So what people do is they run at you and because of the way the melee system works you have to literally melee them first (yes you can spray the pistol and hope that you hit all 4 bullets). Knowing you have to melee them, they use armor lock at the last second and your shields go down to zero. They pop out and kill you.
UltimaPooh
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KevinRo said:
Don't stand next to them while they are in armor lock. Also the EMP at the end of the move is what gets your shields down, so back away.
I have been killed plenty of times before I could get armor lock up. A few times from a melee to my face, another few from a gun shot, a couple of times from rockets. It's not instantaneous like you would think.
Diablohead
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Oh that's a relief I was in a panic as I just woke up lol, I just hope not everyone votes pro all the damn time.
Deputy Moonman
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Honestly, I have no idea how I would change it. I think if I could change just one thing, I might remove the ability to spam it. Whether or not you use it for a couple of seconds or for the full duration, I might make it so that it has a certain amount of cooldown before you can use it again. Perhaps, 5 seconds, maybe 10. I don't know if that would be a good thing or not. But it might help. Or else make it last for a set time that is uncontrolled by the person, so that you have to be careful about when you use it. It may save you, but you are forced to use it for the full duration. Then it can't be used again until fully recharging.UltimaPooh said:
Deputy Moonman said:
That seems like a bad idea. What I like most about it currently is the level of control a person has when using armor lock. If a player was always stuck to the ground for a set amount of time, it would become trivial to counter it, as all you'd have to do is learn a bit of timing with throwing grenades. It may be a little too powerful currently, but if they remove the ability for the player to control how long they're down, then they might as well just get rid of the ability all together.
I'd remove the EMP effect. That or make it so coming out of Armor Lock causes a short cool down before it can be used again. I Armor Lock, and if they back up, I release it. If they throw a grenade, I put it back up. I'm able to do this pretty efficiently until a teammate comes and saves my ass or until whatever object I'm defending is delt with.UltimaPooh said:
It's just too useful, IMO, when you can use it in short bursts. When people poke fun at the ability by posting videos/images of people using it in the middle of an open area by themselves, waiting for it to run out, that person is using it wrong. It would be akin to posting a video of a guy with a hammer engage someone with a Focus Rifle from across the map.
Zeouterlimits
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Man, I <3 Elite Slayer (finally BPro'd too).
-Still poor with melee.
-Sick of dudes sprinting up and double pounding me (similar if they have the hammer)
-Really only want to play Stockpile in a party, lack of co-ordination stinks
Anyway, Reach this morning (played H3 SP with the missus yesterday) went much better than yesterday, happy with my positive K/D ratio and 14 wins, 14 losses.
-Still poor with melee.
-Sick of dudes sprinting up and double pounding me (similar if they have the hammer)
-Really only want to play Stockpile in a party, lack of co-ordination stinks
Anyway, Reach this morning (played H3 SP with the missus yesterday) went much better than yesterday, happy with my positive K/D ratio and 14 wins, 14 losses.
UltimaPooh
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Kenak said:
That's only towards the end of the armor lock ability. If you're smart about attacking a person in armor lock you won't stand right next to them.
UltimaPooh
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Kenak said:I block entrances with it, stand over flags, or activate it when someone comes in for a melee. All have pretty good odds of hitting even an aware player with the EMP
But it's still towards the end. If I see a guy guarding a flag with it I run in grab the flag and then back away. If the armor lock comes down at that moment and I lose shields i just bop them on the face and we're both dead or he's just dead.
I haven't run into anyone using it as an entrance deterrent yet or had anyone stop me from going somewhere while they use it.
Stopping a melee kill with it is fine, it's one of its uses. It doesn't mean you're a 100% safe just because you stopped the first melee, you could be killed right when you come back.
I don't think it needs much changing if at all. I'm not a one man army with it and I drop what ever I am carrying with it. Most of the time my shields never recharge when I go in to save myself. I am a sitting duck when I do it. Spamming it is possible but that only lasts for so long and recharge is slow already.
I guess you could make the recharge a bit more slower.
Generic said:
Based on gametype.
Zeouterlimits
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In Reach currently it's only in specific gametypes.Generic said:
thunker 9000
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Deputy Moonman
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Wow I just realized that I have been calling the plasma launcher, the plasma repeater. I made all kinds of comments about it in game today and I'm guessing my teammaters were like, "what are you talking about?" :lol
For clarification, I think the Plasma Launcher has way too much ammo, not the repeater. :lol
For clarification, I think the Plasma Launcher has way too much ammo, not the repeater. :lol
This is just right out frustrating now. Incredibly bad team-mates (no idea what to do in Stockpile, think that flying around is now the object of the game etc etc) and a very inconsistent connection on someone's end (for the record, I have consistent connections to Bad Company 2, Halo 3 and halo 2 for reference) has made this Beta into an outright mess.
The game is actually great. Sadly the current player base and connection issues are not. Seriously, I'll be lucky to finish a single game before the connection drops. The only time it has been this bad is with Modern Warfare 2 and the Blur Beta. Frustration!
The game is actually great. Sadly the current player base and connection issues are not. Seriously, I'll be lucky to finish a single game before the connection drops. The only time it has been this bad is with Modern Warfare 2 and the Blur Beta. Frustration!
Armor lock is too powerful. Needs a good nerfing but I think I heard Bungie's already on that.UltimaPooh said:
I'mma abuse the hell out of it while I can though. And the grenades being so ridiculous I'll continue doing so.
If someone could render this video of me abusing armor lock I'd be most grateful:
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Zeouterlimits
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Connection issues? That are that bad?Spirit3 said:
For pretty much all of it us it has been great. Are you sure it's not yours?
If you've had trouble in other games recently it (like MW2 & Blur Beta) then it would stand to reason that it is your connection.
.EazyB said:
To be fair, Plasma Repeater is a much better name for the Plasma Launcher than the Plasma Repeater itself. I think Bungie should have just gone all the way and just made the Plasma Repeater the new Plasma Rifle.Deputy Moonman said:
I actually think the duration is fine (balance wise, not game play flow wise). The issue I have with it, duration wise, is that a player can activate it for moments at a time. IMO once you activate it, it should start the cooldown. Or something.Pookaki said:
EDIT: Thought you were saying Armor Lock should be done in a sec :lol Again, I'm the child of autism and downs mating.
thunker 9000
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It should be done in a sec.EazyB said:
Edit: Done.
Diablohead
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Bungie pro video seems to be down right now, not loading anything for me.
*edit* works now, lovely stuff with the armour lock.
*edit* works now, lovely stuff with the armour lock.
Shake Appeal said:
Thanks for the impressions Shake.
After reading this and everyone else's comments, i'm both excited and nervous to get to play this tomorrow!
I've convinced my best friend to buy ODST so that he can play this with me (the only other mp FPS games he has played are CoD4/MW2), so i really hope that we both like it, otherwise i'm going to feel quite bad afterwards :lol
I'm very pleased to hear that the netcode seems to be much improved, i get so frustrated in Halo 3 when i get matched up against players from the US (which is often), and i feel like i'm losing BR battles constantly due to the combination of latency and the random BR spread >_<
Of course this is always going to be an issue, but if the netcode is as good as i'm hearing it is, then it should be less of a problem.
If I have to guess I'm going to say he'll hate it, more than any of Halo if he's a CoD guy. The biggest thing that frustrates those types of players is how many shots it takes to put someone down without them running away. Reach has more instances like this than any Halo before it. Even I get frustrated by it with the guns dealing less damage and armor abilities extending the time to take someone down.BadAss84 said:
Hope I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised. Post about how you and him feel about it after playing it.
Thank you. Bnet is acting funny and I can't view now though.Pookaki said:
Shake Appeal
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The netcode is vastly improved.Zezboob said:
Signed,
A. European
Hypertrooper
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I think the servers will go down for a couple of hours. But for now, i can agreed this. I've no lag or something comparable.Shake Appeal said:
Zeouterlimits
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Morning PDT is all they've said I think.pringles said:
italianfreak240
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UltimaPooh said:
I have gotten some easy kills with just sticking a plasma to whoever is in armor lock. Easy target to stick. :lol Not sure if you got to time it right but they usually die while still in the armor lock mode.
Diablohead
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I keep reading threads on bungie.net's reach beta forum about people wanting more ammo in clips, I question how many people just spray. It also seems so many people have become reliant on the classic BR that they just can't do well with anything else, it makes me chuckle.
Holy shit: I survived an assassination
Is this supposed to happen? The fuck?
Also, just like laugherty said, when the host resets my shields wont regain and all the weapons are reset.
Is this supposed to happen? The fuck?
Also, just like laugherty said, when the host resets my shields wont regain and all the weapons are reset.
Diablohead
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Oh and about jump heights, since I played halo CE before the reach beta was available, master chief's original jump height wasn't as high as people remember. Halo 2 was when bungie decided to allow super moon jumps, halo CE's jump is about 2/3 the height of that in halo 2 and 3.
bobs...onGaf
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Diablohead said:
Im pretty decent at controlling the bloom (when I can see it) - but even then still get beaten by the lucky spammer =(
Either way the Pistol does need more shots, your screwed beyond a 1v1 scenario. Reloading or even switching weapons arguably takes too long, as does activating Jetpack or Sprint. If the pistol had just 2 more shots you could weaken the second enemy enough to finish em off with some AR spray or something. As it is now I run out of ammo halfway through the second guy and really cant do anything.
I think everything is just a bit slow - even if you can react as a player, you really dont have the tools to do so. I understand the balance issues, but its not much fun being restricted by the game so much.