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Has anyone who's listened to the Death Throes of the Republic series think it's a good lead-in to this Celtic Holocaust pod?
Probably going to pull the trigger and buy it but just wanted to hear some thoughts
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It helps you understand the position Caesar and the roman armies were in at the time, but if you are already familiar with stuff like the Marian reforms and who Caesar was prior to this campaign it doesn't add as much.
Still my favorite series of his though.
Same. It's my favorite as well. I think it's one of his most well balanced series; Death Throes has it all: huge battles, Game of Thrones-style political machinations, betrayals, and assassinations, crazed mobs, master orators and badass quotes, larger-the-life characters and personalities, the rise, growth, and downfall of a city, fascinating details about the everyday Roman cultureIt helps you understand the position Caesar and the roman armies were in at the time, but if you are already familiar with stuff like the Marian reforms and who Caesar was prior to this campaign it doesn't add as much.
Still my favorite series of his though.
You're in for a treatOther than his name, haircut, and that he died on the ides of March, my knowledge of Caesar is pretty shit so i'll be listening to the other pods first
Thanks!
Early rumors implied that he was planning on doing the conquest of Mesoamerica, but then History of Fire started a big series on that. Not sure if that turned out to be true
I should check that podcast out
I tried it when it started and the dude's super thick accent made it hard to listen to.
It would fit the themes that he is going for in the Celtic Holocaust from the looks of it.
I had the same experience. I normally don't have too big of an issue with accents, but his is so thick that when he pronounces words I'm not sure if it is a new term I've never heard before or just a very weird way to pronounce some word I already know so I gave up on it.
Just think how awesome a WW2 would be from this great man. One day, maybe. One day....
I think the last bit is not to say that they're still dominant but that Caesar did not wipe them out completely in the long run.Finished the episode. Thought it meandered a lot in the first hour, but it got rolling afterwards. My only question is, is Gaelic really that similar to the language used by the Gauls back then? Because the last bit doesn't really work if you consider how Latin evolved into the current Romance languages.
Him asking which language is spoken in Italy today implies that the Celtic language outlasted Latin, which I find difficult to believe considering how language tends to change in the span of centuries, let alone two millennia. Afaik the only language similar to its counterpart from that era is Hebrew, and that's because of design.I think the last bit is not to say that they're still dominant but that Caesar did not wipe them out completely in the long run.
I mean, I agree, as I took it the same way initially, too, but that interpretation doesn't make a whole longer of sense because if the reasons you pointed out in your first post. So, given the context of how it shows up in the episode, I still think it's meant to imply that they survived.Him asking which language is spoken in Italy today implies that the Celtic language outlasted Latin, which I find difficult to believe considering how language tends to change in the span of centuries, let alone two millennia. Afaik the only language similar to its counterpart from that era is Hebrew, and that's because of design.
This is a great post, but I will point out that Basque is not a Celtic language. It's off on its own, a descendent of a much older (non-indo-european?) language family. Other than that, bravo.I was undergrad in linguistics, and so I'll try clear up the language issue, as I did study languages in antiquity quite a bit. Celtic languages were spoken across western Europe before the Romans arrived, but when the people who spoke them were subjugated they were either driven out, or eventually abandoned their languages in favour of Latin, due to Roman policies of linguistic colonialism (which make speakers of minority languages voluntarily abandon their own languages in favour of the dominant variant, because doing so will give them greater access to resources, prestige, etc. A similar thing happened in Ireland when it was under British rule).
Over the centuries of Roman rule, there would have been some Celtic-Latin multilingualism, which would have led to there being loanwords between the different languages. Eventually, the Latin variants would have become dominant, although they were flavoured by the native languages of the lands in which they were spoken; this is why the Latin spoken across western Europe eventually evolved into the disparate Romance languages we see today.
English is a strange case, because 99% of the Latin influence in the English language didn't actually come from the Roman occupation. After the Romans left Britain, there would have been a Celtic-Latin hybrid of sorts spoken across the isles (in parts where the Romans ruled). Yet after they left, much of Britain (particularly, England and parts of Scotland) was invaded by Germanic tribes from northern continental Europe, and so the Celtic-Latin variants spoken in those parts of Britain eventually faded as their speakers either died, or assimilated into the new Anglo-Saxon culture. Latin influences in English didn't come until centuries later, after the Normans (who spoke Old Norman, which was a variant of Roman Latin which had undergone significant linguistic change over the centuries) invaded and had their language recognised as the high-prestige variant in England.
There are still some Celtic languages spoken across Europe -- these are called 'remnant' languages. Examples would be Basque, Breton, Irish, Welsh, and there are some others. It wasn't so much the Romans themselves who subjugated and eradicated Celtic languages in Europe, as it was their successors. Where I grew up in England, there was once a Celtic language spoken called Cumbric; I think even by the 1500s, it was long dead. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 19th century. Even today, in France, minority languages (including descendants of the Celtic languages originally spoken in the country) still have no legal protection, as it's very much a 'one nation, one language' policy.
David Crystal explains this far better than I can with what he calls 'the Celtic language puzzle,' highly recommend you give him a read if you're interested.
I was undergrad in linguistics, and so I'll try clear up the language issue, as I did study languages in antiquity quite a bit. Celtic languages were spoken across western Europe before the Romans arrived, but when the people who spoke them were subjugated they were either driven out, or eventually abandoned their languages in favour of Latin, due to Roman policies of linguistic colonialism (which make speakers of minority languages voluntarily abandon their own languages in favour of the dominant variant, because doing so will give them greater access to resources, prestige, etc. A similar thing happened in Ireland when it was under British rule).
Over the centuries of Roman rule, there would have been some Celtic-Latin multilingualism, which would have led to there being loanwords between the different languages. Eventually, the Latin variants would have become dominant, although they were flavoured by the native languages of the lands in which they were spoken; this is why the Latin spoken across western Europe eventually evolved into the disparate Romance languages we see today.
English is a strange case, because 99% of the Latin influence in the English language didn't actually come from the Roman occupation. After the Romans left Britain, there would have been a Celtic-Latin hybrid of sorts spoken across the isles (in parts where the Romans ruled). Yet after they left, much of Britain (particularly, England and parts of Scotland) was invaded by Germanic tribes from northern continental Europe, and so the Celtic-Latin variants spoken in those parts of Britain eventually faded as their speakers either died, or assimilated into the new Anglo-Saxon culture. Latin influences in English didn't come until centuries later, after the Normans (who spoke Old Norman, which was a variant of Roman Latin which had undergone significant linguistic change over the centuries) invaded and had their language recognised as the high-prestige variant in England.
There are still some Celtic languages spoken across Europe -- these are called 'remnant' languages. Examples would be Basque, Breton, Irish, Welsh, and there are some others. It wasn't so much the Romans themselves who subjugated and eradicated Celtic languages in Europe, as it was their successors. Where I grew up in England, there was once a Celtic language spoken called Cumbric; I think even by the 1500s, it was long dead. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 19th century. Even today, in France, minority languages (including descendants of the Celtic languages originally spoken in the country) still have no legal protection, as it's very much a 'one nation, one language' policy.
David Crystal explains this far better than I can with what he calls 'the Celtic language puzzle,' highly recommend you give him a read if you're interested.
Sometimes I wish this forum had a rep button.I was undergrad in linguistics, and so I'll try clear up the language issue, as I did study languages in antiquity quite a bit. Celtic languages were spoken across western Europe before the Romans arrived, but when the people who spoke them were subjugated they were either driven out, or eventually abandoned their languages in favour of Latin, due to Roman policies of linguistic colonialism (which make speakers of minority languages voluntarily abandon their own languages in favour of the dominant variant, because doing so will give them greater access to resources, prestige, etc. A similar thing happened in Ireland when it was under British rule).
Over the centuries of Roman rule, there would have been some Celtic-Latin multilingualism, which would have led to there being loanwords between the different languages. Eventually, the Latin variants would have become dominant, although they were flavoured by the native languages of the lands in which they were spoken; this is why the Latin spoken across western Europe eventually evolved into the disparate Romance languages we see today.
English is a strange case, because 99% of the Latin influence in the English language didn't actually come from the Roman occupation. After the Romans left Britain, there would have been a Celtic-Latin hybrid of sorts spoken across the isles (in parts where the Romans ruled). Yet after they left, much of Britain (particularly, England and parts of Scotland) was invaded by Germanic tribes from northern continental Europe, and so the Celtic-Latin variants spoken in those parts of Britain eventually faded as their speakers either died, or assimilated into the new Anglo-Saxon culture. Latin influences in English didn't come until centuries later, after the Normans (who spoke Old Norman, which was a variant of Roman Latin which had undergone significant linguistic change over the centuries) invaded and had their language recognised as the high-prestige variant in England.
There are still some Celtic languages spoken across Europe -- these are called 'remnant' languages. Examples would be Basque, Breton, Irish, Welsh, and there are some others. It wasn't so much the Romans themselves who subjugated and eradicated Celtic languages in Europe, as it was their successors. Where I grew up in England, there was once a Celtic language spoken called Cumbric; I think even by the 1500s, it was long dead. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 19th century. Even today, in France, minority languages (including descendants of the Celtic languages originally spoken in the country) still have no legal protection, as it's very much a 'one nation, one language' policy.
David Crystal explains this far better than I can with what he calls 'the Celtic language puzzle,' highly recommend you give him a read if you're interested.
Yeah I think the constant call backs to native Americans were forced, and without a compelling central idea tying it all together it was a bit of a drag.
Hope this doesn't mean Hardcore history is heading in a bad direction.
It was that, plus the beginning being a drag, plus it being an extra long episode. It felt like he wasted a lot more time than he needed to.I don't understand the disappointment here. I thought it was a great episode. Was it that the episode seemed to end suddenly?
I definitely thought it was kinda not great. I felt like the episode lacked any kind of point or big theme to tie the story together. It was just six hours of "this happened, then this happened, then that happened." I was bored and waiting for it to end the entire time, which is disappointing to say the least.
I know almost nothing about Roman history, so maybe if I had some kind of background I would have found the episode to be less bland? As is, I think it's my least favorite HH episode yet, and that's saying something, because King of Kings was awful.
Are there episodes that you do like? Because if you think Kings of Kings was awful and you think this was worse than awful I have a hard time thinking you enjoyed the show in the first place.I know almost nothing about Roman history, so maybe if I had some kind of background I would have found the episode to be less bland? As is, I think it's my least favorite HH episode yet, and that's saying something, because King of Kings was awful.
Oh man, you are in for a treat!Amazing episode. I love the military stuff.
Bought Rubicon cause I wanted to dive a little deeper into the fall of Rome.
His Plan A topic was probably Cortez and Montezuma. He's not doing it because History on Fire is, and Daniele actually starts his series by apologizing for making Dan change topics.
Seems to me the indigenous people in the other story actually had a really good chance, except for some dumb decisions and bad alliances.Idk, after listening it seems he was more interested in this because the Celts actually had a fighting chance.