You misspelled best dude.Is this the worst first post ever?
You misspelled best dude.Is this the worst first post ever?
Didnt stop them from doing exactly that with DVD playback. No backlash existed.That would be a good option, but the backlash alone here would stop this from ever happening.
I cant speak for Sony, but I am sure youre literally the only person to have ever put an audio CD into a PS4.
"Pennies or less". Let's call it... what, 2 pennies?
PS4 has sold... what, ~60 million units?
Those pennies add up to $1,200,000. Do you think it's worth over a million dollars so that an extremely small % of people might play a cd in their PS4? More importantly, do you think the -lack- of CD cost them a single sale? Even more importantly, do you think if they spent this additional 1.2 million dollars, do you think anyone who hasn't already bought one would have bought one?
I realize there is some room for 'good will' type additions to a device. But remember, there's always something else people want. You have to draw the line somewhere, and cutting costs like this allowed them to keep a $400 price tag at launch, allow them to drop the price sooner, etc, all of which benefits the end consumer. Sure, they could have included this, and a built in PS3, and a better mic, and.... eventually, the price needs to go up. All in all? I think cutting the ability to play CDs is pretty darn inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, let's not trust what Sony say about their own product, it's not like they have any clue what they are talking about. Conspiracy theories are so much more trustworthy!Just because Jack said that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure he said that to keep third party publishers happy, many of which were flocking to 360 in 2007.
Objectively false. All they ever had to fucking do was exactly what they already do with DVDs, require a initial online activation. Your 1 million becomes a lot, lot lesser than that."Pennies or less". Let's call it... what, 2 pennies?
PS4 has sold... what, ~60 million units?
Those pennies add up to $1,200,000. Do you think it's worth over a million dollars so that an extremely small % of people might play a cd in their PS4? More importantly, do you think the -lack- of CD cost them a single sale? Even more importantly, do you think if they spent this additional 1.2 million dollars, do you think anyone who hasn't already bought one would have bought one?
I realize there is some room for 'good will' type additions to a device. But remember, there's always something else people want. You have to draw the line somewhere, and cutting costs like this allowed them to keep a $400 price tag at launch, allow them to drop the price sooner, etc, all of which benefits the end consumer. Sure, they could have included this, and a built in PS3, and a better mic, and.... eventually, the price needs to go up. All in all? I think cutting the ability to play CDs is pretty darn inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
What streaming service?Cheaping out on 3 cents per console makes less sense than they wanted to push people to their shit streaming service (that already got cancelled)
We'll just chalk it up to greed either way.
Adding pennies to an individual console is fine but when you're going to be making 100 million of them, those pennies add up and considering the marketplace even at the time the PS4 launched, who would even use it as an audio player? Of course there's always going to be a subset that do or want to, but it's not worth it.
"Pennies or less". Let's call it... what, 2 pennies?
PS4 has sold... what, ~60 million units?
Those pennies add up to $1,200,000. Do you think it's worth over a million dollars so that an extremely small % of people might play a cd in their PS4?
You don't pay licensing fees on stuff you own.They don't want to pay the licensing fees for something that a tiny proportion of users would use.
Philips and Sony are joint holders of Compact Disc, Sony really have no excuses.Philips still holds the patent IIRC so Sony probably thought the couple cents per unit license fee wasn't worth it.
Edit: oh yeah the physical laser is different too. That's a real manufacturing cost reason.
Lol at all the hardcore gamers here who don't know the quality of CD music.
Seriously... does everyone just listen to streamed sub-320kbps mp3s? Or even worse, youtube playlists?
No one cares about quality of audio?
This is especially hilarious, because CDs still have a superior quality to something like Spotify.You heard it here folks!Throw you CD collections to your trash bins and buy all your albums again digitally because what the hell "it's not 1999 anymore".
The PS4 also doesn't play VHS tapes.
Is this the worst first post ever?
this is one of the all time worst postsI don't have CD Player but I have CDs. I rip them to FLAC though. I hate the shitty audio quality of Spotify and iTunes downloads. It might be fine for your latest shitty overly mastered pop tunes from Carly Rae Jepson, but for those of us l33t enough to appreciate quality music, we need a quality lossless audio format to hear it in perfect form.
CD was delivering this long, long ago.
I doubt they were looking at two basically identical BD-drives, one costing 2 cents more than the other, and went for the cheaper model.Good defense. I like it. Adding 2 cents to the BOM would definitely cause the system to cost over $400. They did me a favor at drawing the line. Thanks Sony!!
Its a very safe bet to say that both things are true in this case. Sony needed to get the price of the PS3 down, so dropping extra hardware for PS2 emulation was one of the first thing to go. That also resulted in that people had to buy PS3 games for the system.Yeah, let's not trust what Sony say about their own product, it's not like they have any clue what they are talking about. Conspiracy theories are so much more trustworthy!
Any source to that?Objectively false. All they ever had to fucking do was exactly what they already do with DVDs, require a initial online activation. Your 1 million becomes a lot, lot lesser than that.
The reason to push the stream service doesnt make much sense to me either because even in 2014, "no one" was using CDs. I cant see that CDs were some obstacle to sell into a musical streaming service.Cheaping out on 3 cents per console makes less sense than they wanted to push people to their shit streaming service (that already got cancelled)
We'll just chalk it up to greed either way.
You can do that with the newer systems as well. Maybe not Switch, but at least PS4 and Xbox One.ripping cds to ps3 or 360 and playing in background was awesome. cant believe its not a thing now and youre subject to another subscription fee to do same damn tjing
It's the truth though.this is one of the all time worst posts
sure but you can say lossless sounds better than compressed mp3s without coming off like a condescending doucheIt's the truth though.
Because Spotify exist
I don't think PS1 games had anything to do with this. That's a ridiculous notion b/c you can't just play PS1 games b/c you have a CD-ROM laser. It requires the chip/emulation to actually play the game.
MP3 and AAC audio is lossy compression. That means it is lower quality than CD audio delivered in 1982.Sony got with the times, now we just need to send the message to all the JRPG devs (and Nintendo) that include a fucking music CD but no MP3 download code with their Collector's Editions. I'm surprised that doesn't piss more people off. I don't think I even have a way to play CDs in my apartment.
It really bothers me that when Apple finally released an iPhone with enough capacity to replace an iPod, they removed the headphone jack.(Don't even get me started on the headphone jack.)
You shouldn't be using iTunes to rip CDs anyway. It doesn't support secure ripping, so you cannot be guaranteed that the rip is a bit-perfect copy of the audio stored on the disc. It doesn't even have error correction enabled by default.Does iTunes disable CD ripping functionality in the UK?
It's how it works on Xbox One - at least it requires an app you need to download, it won't play them out of the box, or DVD/blu ray for that matter either.
On this topic however Sony has been really anti consumer with things like this and the lack of PS1/PSP BC - features that would be easy to add but they really don't give a shit with the sales they make.
Because it's 2017.
Thats often not true for issues like this.You don't pay licensing fees on stuff you own.
I just want to play skater boi through my sound system. Thats worth 2 cents a monthChildrens device: children dont even know what a music cd is.
The PS4 also doesn't play VHS tapes.
PS4 doesnt play legacy technology like 4k Bluray in the PS4 Pro.
The PS4 also doesn't play VHS tapes.
Seriously... does everyone just listen to streamed sub-320kbps mp3s? Or even worse, youtube playlists?
No one cares about quality of audio?
Launch PS4s at least had all three lasers, despite the fact the CD frequency one isn't needed for pressed discs.
Frequency matters to make sure the point can be focused small enough to read individual pits, but shorter wavelength lasers can easily read the larger pits. The focusing elements required to read a dual-layered DVD should be able to handle the different layer thickness in a CD.
Not much of a license fee since all the relevant patents have long expired, the redbook logo is about the only thing that needs a license and no one cares if it's there any more, and Sony would get half the tiny fee anyway.
That would be weird if it had a drive capable of playing VHS tapes.
In short, yes. They would have had to go to some effort to make a drive that can't; early DVD drives with just one laser tuned for DVDs could still read pressed CDs. The only reason multiple lasers were added to optical drives was a specific frequency was required for CD-Rs.
The real answer was Sony was pushing their streaming service really hard in the beginning. Even the web browser doesn't support any audio-only codecs, even after Sony added support for ogg and FLAC for the media player. And it took a lot of hair pulling just to get the bare-bones media player.
Sony's audio support is so bad, the way Plex plays music on the PS4 is to transcode the audio into a blank video container and then ignore the video portion on the client.
The different colors aren't required for reading physical pits as long as the wavelength is shorter than the diffraction limit. In other words, a blu-ray laser can read DVD and CD pits perfectly fine, but a CD laser can only read CDs. The blu-ray laser does have the problem of having a much thinner layer on the actual discs so different optics are needed, but DVD and CD are much more similar.
The reason drives have all three lasers is the dyes in recordable discs do tend to be very frequency sensitive, so to read them all three are required. Obviously not a problem for pressed CDs and actual games.
And I'll mention again, the manual included with launch PS4s included a mention of a CD frequency laser.
The obvious reason is that a different laser assembly on the drive's read head is needed for CDs and Sony just didn't feel it was worth the cost to put one in the Blu-ray drive used in PS4's.
It's a cost-saving measure, nothing more. I haven't actually seen a CD in around 10 years now so I guess it's a reasonable one.