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[SoulPlaya]

Man, you guys are ruthless. She's what I expect a mother to look like after a couple wars and "winters", and all those kids. How old is Catelyn in the book?

 

[Chris R]

Man, you guys are ruthless. She's what I expect a mother to look like after a couple wars and "winters", and all those kids. How old is Catelyn in the book?

35ish

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Man, you guys are ruthless. She's what I expect a mother to look like after a couple wars and "winters", and all those kids. How old is Catelyn in the book?

mid-30s or something like that.

edit: yeah

edit2: although they have been casting older as Ned is about the same age Cat (mid-30s) and Sean Bean is 50.

 

[Van Owen]

Man, you guys are ruthless. She's what I expect a mother to look like after a couple wars and "winters", and all those kids. How old is Catelyn in the book?

Yeah, if this were real life. I like good looking women on my TV!

Sean Bean still looks good for 50. He was pretty badass in The Hitcher.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

There's no getting around it, she is ugly as shit. Lets pray the wonders of makeup come through for HBO here.

 

[Lebron]

there's plenty of celebs who are ugly as shit without their makeup on, so it's possible.

 

[Decado]

Man, you guys are ruthless. She's what I expect a mother to look like after a couple wars and "winters", and all those kids. How old is Catelyn in the book?

My understanding is that she is supposed to be pretty damned hot, regardless.

 

[Jonm1010]

My understanding is that she is supposed to be pretty damned hot, regardless.

Yeah the books describe her as being very attractive.

 

[Dresden]

Another pic

Long red hair, lots of makeup, I can see her being attractive enough.

She doesn't need to be some incredible beauty, it's not like she's set to play Cersei.

 

[valeo]

To be honest I was more worried about Cersei's casting. I like Lena Heady but she wasn't really what I pictured at all when I was reading it.

Catelyn is a pretty crappy character (imo) so I don't really care too much.

I just re-watched season 1 of 'Rome' and man, if HBO make it half as good as that I will be a happy man.

 

[Subitai]

I just re-watched season 1 of 'Rome' and man, if HBO make it half as good as that I will be a happy man.

Yeah, that show was awesome. I'm not really worried about them messing this up.

 

[deadbeef]

Label your spoilers with respect to which book it spoils y'all, that's just wrong.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Ugh...so the first negative news for Thrones shows its ugly face and breaks its impressive streak of good luck.

No doubt about it...this seems like a downgrade. Really loved what I've seen from Jens performances online...what a disappointment. Hopefully this new actress is good.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Being under the weather for a couple weeks there has put me seriously behind on everything, I'm afraid. I'm now struggling to get back into it. In addition to the on-going work on DANCE, I am also trying to wrap up FORT FREAK, volume twenty-one in the Wild Cards series, and will soon need to gear up to write my season one script for HBO. I'm been over a decade since I last did a teleplay, I realized suddenly. I hope I still remember how.

Yes, the part of Catelyn on HBO's GAME OF THRONES has been recast. The new actress is Michelle Fairley, a talented and acclaimed veteran of the British and Irish stage and television. That's being discussed in several places on the web, most notably Westeros and Winter Is Coming, so take your comments, questions, and thoughts there, if you'd be so good.

There's more news, both bad and good, on several different fronts, none of which I am at liberty to talk about just now. Soon, maybe.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/142143.html

From Martins blog.

 

[bathala]

Bad News: Dance will not come out this year

 

[eggandI]

Bad News: Dance will not come out this year

Which comes out first, DwD or Diablo 3? Place your bets now!

 

[Dresden]

http://grrm.livejournal.com/142143.html

From Martins blog.

Well, damn.

Christmas 2011? ;_;

 

[Mike Works]

http://grrm.livejournal.com/142143.html

From Martins blog.

let me take a guess...

bad news:

Spoiler

A Dance With Dragons has been pushed back 2 years... Martin just got "2012" in his Netflix and he wants to make sure there will still be an audience for his next book before he releases it.

good news:

Spoiler

Martin successfully removed both sides of an Oreo using only his tongue; this will free up a lot of free time that can** go towards writing*

*writing = writing the screenplay for the TV series

**probably won't

 

[speedpop]

Someone needs to throw a deadline in this bugger's face.

let me take a guess...

bad news:

Spoiler

A Dance With Dragons has been pushed back 2 years... Martin just got "2012" in his Netflix and he wants to make sure there will still be an audience for his next book before he releases it.

good news:

Spoiler

Martin successfully removed both sides of an Oreo using only his tongue; this will free up a lot of free time that can** go towards writing*

*writing = writing the screenplay for the TV series

**probably won't

:lol :lol

My sides hurt.

 

[Brian Fellows]

let me take a guess...

bad news:

Spoiler

A Dance With Dragons has been pushed back 2 years... Martin just got "2012" in his Netflix and he wants to make sure there will still be an audience for his next book before he releases it.

good news:

Spoiler

Martin successfully removed both sides of an Oreo using only his tongue; this will free up a lot of free time that can** go towards writing*

*writing = writing the screenplay for the TV series

**probably won't

:lol

I needed that cuz I'm still down about the casting change.

 

[Sotha Sil]

http://grrm.livejournal.com/142143.html

From Martins blog.

He had to mention Wild Cards, didn't he? That oughta please the demented portion of his fanbase.

Ah well; even if this hints at another delay, I don't really care. It's kinda like Elder Scrolls V (or Diablo 3, as above poster said): you teach yourself not to get your hopes up, and you wait. "When it's done", indeed.

edit: :lol

 

[i_am_ben]

Wouldn't it be ironic if a Song of Ice and Fire took more years than WoT to complete?

Wheel of Time - 1990

A Song of Ice and Fire- 1996

 

[FilthyLies]

Wouldn't it be ironic if a Song of Ice and Fire took more years than WoT to complete?

Wheel of Time - 1990

A Song of Ice and Fire- 1996

Don't... don't... really see how that would be ironic at all.

But good god man Dance really needs to come out. Reading the note in the back of AFFC is the most depressing thing.

 

[Shirokun]

I honestly don't think the new actress is that bad looking. I'll reserve comments for when we see her in full make-up

Spoiler

well she sort of already looks like a

... . So I like the fact they are thinking ahead.

Gee, thanks. So having the big spoiler from book one spoiled wasn't enough I see. I swear, mark your goddamn spoilers a little better next time.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

let me take a guess...

bad news:

Spoiler

A Dance With Dragons has been pushed back 2 years... Martin just got "2012" in his Netflix and he wants to make sure there will still be an audience for his next book before he releases it.

good news:

Spoiler

Martin successfully removed both sides of an Oreo using only his tongue; this will free up a lot of free time that can** go towards writing*

*writing = writing the screenplay for the TV series

**probably won't

To quote one of the most likeable characters

"Har!"

 

[Azrael]

The cynical side of me suspects the reason he was making so much progress on ADWD in January and February was to reassure HBO execs that they wouldn't be stuck with a half-finished series if they greenlit Game of Thrones. After it was picked up, he started slacking off again, hence getting shit done in the last three weeks.

But I don't think the bad news will be another delay, since he's abandoned making deadlines altogether. The publisher might finally be getting fed up with his bullshit and forced him to split Dance into two volumes or move a large chunk of the manuscript to The Winds of Winter, since he's been hinting at something like that for a few months now, or perhaps the Mereenese knot is making him scrap and rewrite a large number of "finished" chapters to resolve it. He should have kept quiet about these problems until he could talk about what they were instead of making everyone worried, but GRRM likes trolling us I guess.

 

[Decado]

Wasn't ADWD already split from the last book?

I think he needs to get a writer to help him out ala Sanderson ('cept while he is still alive).

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

As long as the other bad news isn't Bean or Dinklage leaving it's all gravy. Hopefully it's something about the next Wild Cards book or some other project I don't care about. If it's something bad about a Dance with Dragons, I can handle it. I've waited this long and I can wait longer, although I'm still holding out hope it will be out this year.

 

[CrankyJay]

You realize she is the one in back right?

I LOL'd. :lol

 

[i_am_ben]

Don't... don't... really see how that would be ironic at all.

But good god man Dance really needs to come out. Reading the note in the back of AFFC is the most depressing thing.

it would be ironic as many ASOIAF fans criticize the length of WoT in silly fan wars. Bookwise it is correct but timewise its becoming less and less so.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Wasn't ADWD already split from the last book?

I think he needs to get a writer to help him out ala Sanderson ('cept while he is still alive).

Yeah from the blurb at the end of the book he says it was meant to be all in one book but got split up.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/article/784607--do-yourself-a-favour-don-t-read-this-book

Good interview here

Three weeks ago, Martin blogged that he was on manuscript page 1311. Did we mention that each volume is gigantic?

“Practically speaking, there can’t be more than about 250 more (pages),” Martin said. “(My publisher) told me 1550 (pages) is the limit. Any more and the binding won’t hold.”

And a due date?

“I don’t do deadlines any more. I’ve been scarred too many times,” Martin said. “Whenever I get close to a deadline, I can feel it bearing down on me. It doesn’t help. It actually hurts ..... and I wind up doing nothing.”

So if it gets longer its gonna get split........... again.

 

[Mike Works]

“Practically speaking, there can’t be more than about 250 more (pages)*,” Martin said. “(My publisher) told me 1550 (pages) is the limit. Any more and the binding** won’t hold.”

*

Spoiler

(pages) = (lbs)

**

Spoiler

of pants

 

[i_am_ben]

Also, these days, bookstores wont stock books that are too thick as they take up too much space. Apparently, the bookstores are extremely powerful.

 

[Lebron]

Dance is never coming out. Just come to turns with it and move on.

 

[Discotheque]

I don't mind the casting change, she's not exactly extravagant looking but makeup can do wonders on anybody really.

As long as Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage are there to stay I'm fine. And I'm really bummed out about Callis joining that shitty Eureka. I think he had a legitimate shot at Littlefinger.

The only one's I have my doubts on are the kid actors, don't know if they're any good or not. We'll have to see.

 

[Lirlond]

Also, these days, bookstores wont stock books that are too thick as they take up too much space. Apparently, the bookstores are extremely powerful.

But with sites like Amazon and e-books becoming so prevalent does it even matter what the bookstores think? Sure it'd mean the book wouldn't be there to catch the readers eye, but a book that long is gonna be a sequel anyway.

 

[Gattsu25]

Yeah, I'm hoping some of that is makeup or something...

No, that is how HBO actresses look without makeup

 

[yacobod]

man i dont know about this change this new bird looks really old, wtf were they thinking

 

[Azrael]

Winter is Coming is reporting that Daenerys is being recast, which is probably the bad news GRRM was referring to. I've never liked the casting of Tamzin Merchant, so for me this may even end up being a good thing depending on who gets casted. I was hoping if any other role got recast, it would be her.

 

[deadbeef]

Winter is Coming is reporting that Daenerys is being recast, which is probably the bad news GRRM was referring to. I've never liked the casting of Tamzin Merchant, so for me this may even end up being a good thing depending on who gets casted. I was hoping if any other role got recast, it would be her.

As long as it wasn't Tyrion. That would have been a huge letdown.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Not really attached to any of the cast except Bean and Dinklage so I have no problems with them changing Dany if they must, although the actress they had kind of looked like how I imagined her to look.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I don't think the bad news will be about ADWD's date. He told WiC's editor that he'll have it finished before he starts his script. Only possible bad news book wise could be that he's splitting it in two

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I don't think the bad news will be about ADWD's date. He told WiC's editor that he'll have it finished before he starts his script. Only possible bad news book wise could be that he's splitting it in two

I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry. I'd probably laugh though.

 

[tokkun]

I don't think the bad news will be about ADWD's date. He told WiC's editor that he'll have it finished before he starts his script. Only possible bad news book wise could be that he's splitting it in two

I agree. In the past two years, he has said that in order to get the book published that year, he had to be finished in June. So, I think we have at least another two months before he tells us that it will not be published in 2010.

 

[tino]

Dance is never coming out. Just come to turns with it and move on.

Does it matter? About 70% of the book is already on the net. It's still nowhere close to the climax of the series. And you know he is going to split the remaining books.

 

[tino]

I originally read this post on my phone, and I couldn't see the photo. Now that I have seen the pic....I don't find any charisma in this woman's pictures. Just one tried, middle-aged office secretary. There is no light in her eyes.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I agree. In the past two years, he has said that in order to get the book published that year, he had to be finished in June. So, I think we have at least another two months before he tells us that it will not be published in 2010.

I saw a comment somewhere claiming Martin said he's past the 1500ms count, dunno if that's true though.

The show starts films in June, and due to pre-production requirements HBO should want Martin's script before the fall right. In short, he can't take his sweet time on it. It makes sense that he'd finish Dance in June or July, giving him some time to work on his script.

I'd be beyond pissed if he announces that due to the pressure of writing the script he has to put a hold on his ADWD progress and work exclusively on the script.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Looks like the bad news was with respect to Dany. How does this character manage to throw wrenches in everything lol

A new casting side has appeared for the role of Daenarys dated for today on Showfax. You can read the contents of the casting side here. Could it be that they are recasting the role of Daenerys? Might this be some of the bad news that GRRM was referring to?

Winter Is Coming: Now I’m not sure how these casting side sites work. Maybe someone can answer this question for me, is it possible that someone could have uploaded a fake side as a hoax? This Kathleen Choplin doesn’t appear as a casting director on my Cast & Crew page or on IMDb. While the old casting sides has Amy Berman who is on my Crew page. An interesting development for sure, but I’m calling it a rumor for now, until we get more info.

http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/03/dany-the-next-to-be-recast/#idc-container

Never was a fan of her as Dany; she's not attractive and just doesn't find my mind's eye view of Dany. But, re-shooted her scenes would be pretty costly.

 

[speedpop]

I originally read this post on my phone, and I couldn't see the photo. Now that I have seen the pic....I don't find any charisma in this woman's pictures. Just one tried, middle-aged office secretary. There is no light in her eyes.

Perfect description of who I see Catelyn Stark as. I detest her more than Cersei Lannister.

 

[SapientWolf]

I saw a comment somewhere claiming Martin said he's past the 1500ms count, dunno if that's true though.

The show starts films in June, and due to pre-production requirements HBO should want Martin's script before the fall right. In short, he can't take his sweet time on it. It makes sense that he'd finish Dance in June or July, giving him some time to work on his script.

I'd be beyond pissed if he announces that due to the pressure of writing the script he has to put a hold on his ADWD progress and work exclusively on the script.

I think the publisher needs to start cracking the whip. An artist will never finish a work if they don't have to. The perfectionist in them will cause them to self-sabotage their efforts.