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Hearthstone |OT9| Our raid wiped in Icecrown Citadel
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yeah, it's very much like Rhonin, I mentioned above too but Rhonin was played for synergy with malygos/flamewaker/antonidas and things like that. I'm not sure what this card enables that is worthwhile. We'll see. Right now I feel Pyros/Medivh/Elise/Cabalist's Tome/Yogg are all far better options. Maybe next rotation?
I do think the design is interesting, because you put down an 8/8 the opponent wants to kill and 2 0/1's he doesn't want to kill. Could lead to interesting board states where an AoE + minion for the value trade isn't the right option.
But still I wonder if you should be scared of 2 random legendaries considering the amount of bad ones there are. Probably not, ah well interesting card nonetheless.
But still I wonder if you should be scared of 2 random legendaries considering the amount of bad ones there are. Probably not, ah well interesting card nonetheless.
cartographer
Member
That's really slow but Mage can often afford to be slow. Solid value but Mage already has great value.
Rhonin comp is accurate, just more swingy. Which means people will at least try it a lot.
Rhonin comp is accurate, just more swingy. Which means people will at least try it a lot.
Mage shouldn't really get solid defensive cards at this point.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
also way better statted than rhonin and more resilient to silence.
Unlike Rhonin, Sindragosa doesn't require any combos to get supreme value. You just play it and eventually gain two random Legendaries. It would go in a control/grinder Mage deck in addition to most of the cards you list above, not replacing any of them. Not sure if it will be a staple, but it is definitely a worthwhile option.
If they had taunt it would be a very good card.
Well with Rhonin you'd just win the game. This doesn't win the game, not even close.
Yep I think this card might edge out Dr. Boom from the Reno Wild Mage list. That's something pretty good if you get to edge out Dr. 7. You need the N'Zoth synergy to make it worth it though otherwise I don't think you'd bother.
That said, I don't see it in standard constructed unless that mode slows down a ton with this release, which I severely doubt.
This is a god-tier pick in arena. You can afford to be slow in arena and this is basically 3 legendaries in 1. An 8/8 dragon and two randoms eventually. Will probably end up as one of Mage's highest value legendaries.
veryslowhand
Banned
Hope the tokens are one in each side of the 8/8 for meteor punish.
It may slow down a bit due to lifesteal and the hero cards? We also haven't seen any new taunts yet (or even lifesteal taunts?)
Otherwise, yes, for a meta with pirate warrior in tier 1, these cards seem quite slow.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Nefarian's got 4 mana 7/7s in his deck how am I supposed to lose??
BananasWithGuns
Member
Sindragosa is incredibly slow but also potentially incredibly disgusting.
Maybe it's enough for N'Zoth Grinder Mage to see some serious play.
Maybe it's enough for N'Zoth Grinder Mage to see some serious play.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Images are really small but two new cards from the newest Blizzard blog post.
Edit: Updated with larger images.
Edit: Updated with larger images.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Interesting cards. I like them.
Cold wraith is a wicked card. Every mage deck in the history of forever has run frost bolt. Turn 5 draw card with removal as well as just a nice thick three drop. This thing will be a beast in arena due to stats and may see constructed play in more tempo oriented decks like secret mage.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
10 armor for 2 is huge and the downside can mostly be ignored, the issue is that it doesn't replace itself or does anything really.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
But having to frost bolt on turn 5 just to get some extra stats on a 3 drop, I am not sure if this is a good strategy. I think it could be good in a deck with more consistent ways to trigger the draw.
I disagree. See forbidden healing. Pure sustain but the amount of sustain and flexibility made it often a 2 of in control decks. It's basically so much value off 2 mana and a single card I think there is a solid chance this sees play. The mana reduction, while not nothing, can be mitigated by using the spell when their hand is already low.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
but bring it on doesn't have versatility nor does it scale anywhere near it. In control matchups the downside is also much bigger. As long as you have access to shield block, it's gonna be tough for this card.
slightconfuse
Banned
Im guessing the new hero power will be a ping that freezes an enemy
That might be the most hilarious spell I've ever seen.
Would be a good way to bait your opponent in playing into a brawl but otherwise seems bad. Probably not even great against burn since you don't want to lower the Mana cost of Abtonidas.
Pure lifegain can see play if it can counter two or more burns spells. Usually 8+ health can do the trick.
Would be a good way to bait your opponent in playing into a brawl but otherwise seems bad. Probably not even great against burn since you don't want to lower the Mana cost of Abtonidas.
Pure lifegain can see play if it can counter two or more burns spells. Usually 8+ health can do the trick.
veryslowhand
Banned
liking last batch of cards revealed
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yeah it oozes versatility. 2 mana makes it versatile.
Healing Touch is 8 health for 3 Mana and it saw light play. Greater Healing Potion is 4 Mana for 14 health I think? Reno Priest wasn't crazy for running it. Armor is even better. 10 armor for 2 Mana is very good.
That was weird. I got an easy win with Nefarian in the brawl, then figured I'd go hard mode and try to win with Ragnaros.
I then got Nefarian 8 more times in a row. I surrendered, handing out free wins and packs like candy, just because I was DETERMINED it was possible to get Ragnaros.
Considering my 4% arena streak the last few days, maybe Hearthstone RNG is broken for me.
I then got Nefarian 8 more times in a row. I surrendered, handing out free wins and packs like candy, just because I was DETERMINED it was possible to get Ragnaros.
Considering my 4% arena streak the last few days, maybe Hearthstone RNG is broken for me.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
the drawback makes it situational, there's nothing versatile to it.
Karsticles
Member
That was weird. I got an easy win with Nefarian in the brawl, then figured I'd go hard mode and try to win with Ragnaros.
I then got Nefarian 8 more times in a row. I surrendered, handing out free wins and packs like candy, just because I was DETERMINED it was possible to get Ragnaros.
Considering my 4% arena streak the last few days, maybe Hearthstone RNG is broken for me.
I had that same experience.
Warrior card is pretty awful. The matchups where it would be good are already favorable matchups. And it can be disastrous in others. This is unplayable IMO.
I'm on the fence about the mage card. At first glance, holy shit it's strong. But you can't take advantage of the battle cry on turn 3. Frost bolting something and leaving it alive isn't something that happens regularly before turn 6, so it probably won't even be a turn 5 play. Mage already has such consistent and powerful drawing tools. Do they need another one that has an awkward condition attached to it? It has potential, but without some new and low resource freeze effects this probably won't see play.
I'm on the fence about the mage card. At first glance, holy shit it's strong. But you can't take advantage of the battle cry on turn 3. Frost bolting something and leaving it alive isn't something that happens regularly before turn 6, so it probably won't even be a turn 5 play. Mage already has such consistent and powerful drawing tools. Do they need another one that has an awkward condition attached to it? It has potential, but without some new and low resource freeze effects this probably won't see play.
it's a high skill card knowing when to play it. I like it, it's somewhat like dirty rat. Sometimes you can get away with it, it's not something you'd ever keep, that's the easy part.
Mage card? It's hard to say without seeing rest of the cards. It has vanilla stats with potential upside, seems ok. I don't think you play this in freeze mage though. It seems they're pushing some kind of mid range style freeze mage in place of a burn deck. You have stuff on board, you freeze stuff push face, can be very powerful. There is a card in msog too that becomes a 7/7 if something is frozen.
Mage card? It's hard to say without seeing rest of the cards. It has vanilla stats with potential upside, seems ok. I don't think you play this in freeze mage though. It seems they're pushing some kind of mid range style freeze mage in place of a burn deck. You have stuff on board, you freeze stuff push face, can be very powerful. There is a card in msog too that becomes a 7/7 if something is frozen.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
2 mana means you can fit it in anywhere on a turn you're not going to die. You can basically wait til they're low on resources and play it. And if they go wide on the board you have brawl to clean up. This isn't rocket science. 2 mana makes it versatile.
Man I do not know what to think on that Warrior card.
Against aggro it's probably good. 10 HP is a lot and their minions are already cheap. Especially decks like Egg druid where a lot of the minions are 1-2 cost.
Against control it is certainly bad.
Against more midrange-y decks I am uncertain. 10HP is a lot in that sort of match, but you give so much possible tempo to the opponent that I'm not sure I'd want to mess around with it. Giving Hunter a 4 mana Highmane seems like it isn't worth the 10 HP, but maybe it saves your life in the long run. Would need to try it to see. Interesting card, although uncertain how good it is.
The mage card has premium stats for 3 mana. 3/4 for 3 cards seem to always see play regardless of whatever else they do. If the effect is slightly beneficial it will see play. For references see: Spellslinger and Manic Soulcaster. With frostbolt being a constant staple, this will see some play.
Against aggro it's probably good. 10 HP is a lot and their minions are already cheap. Especially decks like Egg druid where a lot of the minions are 1-2 cost.
Against control it is certainly bad.
Against more midrange-y decks I am uncertain. 10HP is a lot in that sort of match, but you give so much possible tempo to the opponent that I'm not sure I'd want to mess around with it. Giving Hunter a 4 mana Highmane seems like it isn't worth the 10 HP, but maybe it saves your life in the long run. Would need to try it to see. Interesting card, although uncertain how good it is.
The mage card has premium stats for 3 mana. 3/4 for 3 cards seem to always see play regardless of whatever else they do. If the effect is slightly beneficial it will see play. For references see: Spellslinger and Manic Soulcaster. With frostbolt being a constant staple, this will see some play.
Karsticles
Member
Exactly. This is "Hero Power for 10". If aggro is still around, there's a 100% chance this gets play. You can even bait people into a Brawl with it. Great card.
Hmm, unless there are some more interesting armor interactions in this expansion I'm not really high on the card. It's certainly interesting but I don't know if a gain armor spell that does nothing else for the Warrior that plays it is good enough, see: Iron Hide.
Mage card is good though.
Mage card is good though.