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Heroes of Newerth |OT| Free-To-Play [PC /Mac /Linux]
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spermatic cord
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Was playing a game where this Polly instead of sticking with us so he didn't get ganked, he would farm creep waves(he was going CARRY POLLY EVERYONE!). Of course the other team would gank him. Then I tell him to to stick with the team. He asks why. I tell him so he doesn't get ganked. He says STFU, where were you when I got ganked.Archie said:
Also, our Chronos didn't know how to farm and would leap and bubble at the most random times. Our witch slayer was going codex. He has nothing but codex and steamboots.
Take this with a GIGANTIC grain of salt, but apparently S2 and Valve are in some kind of legal battle over DotA. It could all be bullshit, but it makes interesting talk:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+pastebin.org/680680&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=ch
http://pastebin.com/uH2fFRC3
tl;dr: They can't port Tundra/Beastmaster's 3rd ability because it was changed after DotA 6.60 and S2 is in a legal agreement.
Valve can't use any material that S2 has already used in their DotA clone.
Icefrog worked with S2 until 2009.
S2 isn't porting any more heroes for awhile due to working around a 'minefield'.
Once again, it could all be totally 100% bullshit, but some things do make sense (ie Tundra's aura). HoN drama is sometimes more exciting than the game itself!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+pastebin.org/680680&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=ch
http://pastebin.com/uH2fFRC3
tl;dr: They can't port Tundra/Beastmaster's 3rd ability because it was changed after DotA 6.60 and S2 is in a legal agreement.
Valve can't use any material that S2 has already used in their DotA clone.
Icefrog worked with S2 until 2009.
S2 isn't porting any more heroes for awhile due to working around a 'minefield'.
Once again, it could all be totally 100% bullshit, but some things do make sense (ie Tundra's aura). HoN drama is sometimes more exciting than the game itself!
Well there goes my fucking Furion port.
EDIT: I can't believe that Valve really has any legal claim to anything from DotA at this point. How is that even possible? Seems like Valve is doing a lot of hurfing over nothing they actually have legal claim to and S2 are being good sports about it out of respect for Icefrog's work and not wanting to do anything that might harm his new career.
EDIT: I can't believe that Valve really has any legal claim to anything from DotA at this point. How is that even possible? Seems like Valve is doing a lot of hurfing over nothing they actually have legal claim to and S2 are being good sports about it out of respect for Icefrog's work and not wanting to do anything that might harm his new career.
spermatic cord
Member
Archie said:
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. S2 should just say fuck you to everyone and go on making their game. DOTA was a stupid free mod for WC3 ffs.
In other news, I had an amazing game where 2 of our players left. I was Wretched Hag and I ended up carrying my team. Ended up like 23-3 and had a doombringer at the end:lol. This was against 4 locks too!
Edit: What are your guys' favorite heroes to play? Mine are:
1.Valkyrie
2.Chipper
3.Doctor Repulsor
4.Deadwood
5. Wretched Hag
lately i have been playing hellbringer a lot... you can cast the ult from so far away and the other spells are all pretty useful. i try to stick with support stuff because i dont feel confident enough to start playing as a hard carry or anything like that. ive gotten pretty good at harrasment and the like, and getting good at last hitting and denying.
i watch honcast a few times a week and it has helped my game out a lot as well. it has taught me taht there are certain items to just avoid taht i used to think were the norm for guys. i would get whispering helm all the time on heroes because i wanted the lifesteal 'so i could stay in the lane longer and not have to go back and heal'. now i kinda realize that if you are getting beat on or hit much in your lane, you are doing something wrong and getting the lifesteal from whispering helm doesnt do anything but sort of hide that issue from you. the best items to get are ones that actually make a difference in team fights and will accomplish something- shrunken head, sheepstick, puzzlebox, geometers... now i focus on getting those types of items as fast as i can so that i can actually contribute to the team instead of focusing on just making my hero have more regen so i can stay in lanes longer. whispering helm does very little to help you in a team battle, and that was something i didnt realize at first.
anyway, i absolutely love playing this game and i love the competitive nature of it. i have basically pubbed myself up into the 1550-1575 range and im floating around there. i read on one of the hon forums that if you are halfway decent, you should be able to pub yourself up to 1650-1700. that is kind of my goal. maybe at some point i will leave the gaf plan and join a bigger clan that does more competitive games so i can try out that aspect of things, but i am pretty happy doing what im doing now. at least ive gotten out of the 1400-1500 range and dont have those rage games like i used to.
i watch honcast a few times a week and it has helped my game out a lot as well. it has taught me taht there are certain items to just avoid taht i used to think were the norm for guys. i would get whispering helm all the time on heroes because i wanted the lifesteal 'so i could stay in the lane longer and not have to go back and heal'. now i kinda realize that if you are getting beat on or hit much in your lane, you are doing something wrong and getting the lifesteal from whispering helm doesnt do anything but sort of hide that issue from you. the best items to get are ones that actually make a difference in team fights and will accomplish something- shrunken head, sheepstick, puzzlebox, geometers... now i focus on getting those types of items as fast as i can so that i can actually contribute to the team instead of focusing on just making my hero have more regen so i can stay in lanes longer. whispering helm does very little to help you in a team battle, and that was something i didnt realize at first.
anyway, i absolutely love playing this game and i love the competitive nature of it. i have basically pubbed myself up into the 1550-1575 range and im floating around there. i read on one of the hon forums that if you are halfway decent, you should be able to pub yourself up to 1650-1700. that is kind of my goal. maybe at some point i will leave the gaf plan and join a bigger clan that does more competitive games so i can try out that aspect of things, but i am pretty happy doing what im doing now. at least ive gotten out of the 1400-1500 range and dont have those rage games like i used to.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
The faster countdown still messes me up sometimes. I'd be looking at everyone's heroes, discussing swaps, and then "ZOMG FIVE SECONDS AND WE DON'T HAVE STR AAAAAAAHHH". Happened in an SD game where I had Andro pre-selected then switched to Tundra when I saw we had no Str. The HB also swapped to Rampage, but then we both saw someone switch to Keeper. The HB switched back but I didn't. Thankfully two players DC'ed and we remade since I'm terrible with Tundra. :lol
Maybe because people are less familiar with their SD heroes, or if you're good with support heroes and get 3 carries, etc. I prefer AP because I usually random for the extra gold, but then you get a lot of the same heroes.
Also, great game yesterday, even though I was underleveled as Shaman. Not really experienced with him but he was my only support option.
http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=11456110
valenti said:
Maybe because people are less familiar with their SD heroes, or if you're good with support heroes and get 3 carries, etc. I prefer AP because I usually random for the extra gold, but then you get a lot of the same heroes.
Also, great game yesterday, even though I was underleveled as Shaman. Not really experienced with him but he was my only support option.
http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=11456110
spermatic cord
Member
Legionnaire is the worst hero. Fuck that guy.
PillowKnight
Member
Regarding the whispering helm it's actually for more practical reasons. For the 2k gold it costs you could buy a bunch of potions to do the same thing, or a bottle at 600 and still save a bunch of gold. Whispering helm is worthless on slow attacking support heroes even for health reasons.mrbagdt said:
Oh and don't listen to the assholes who say you need to hit 1650+ to be decent, they're working on the "you're either shit or pro" scale of hon player skill.
Regarding flaming, i've never seen it help, it destroys games 99% of the time by making people act childish.
spermatic cord
Member
Flaming doesn't really work. It just gets them mad. Chances are if you're raging at them for autoattacking a creepwave or buying codex as scout, they won't understand the reasons that whatever they're doing is retarded and isin't helping anyone but the other team.
Nome and some other S2 guy had an interview at some website I've never heard of.
tl;dr:
No more ports for awhile.
Team matchmaking is still coming.
There is going to be a 'bundle' of changes in the team MM patch, some of which will hopefully garner more interest in the competitive community.
Regular matchmaking will get an overhaul.
Nome is the 2nd best HoN player at S2 (lol)
New maps are tied to matchmaking
Darkwood Vale is going to be replaced with a 'smaller 3v3 map'
S2 is trying to shift the metagame towards being more 'action' oriented and are discussing changes with the competitive community.
The community INT hero contest is still in the works and a new community hero is in the works.
Nome has a tentacle fetish.
tl;dr:
No more ports for awhile.
Team matchmaking is still coming.
There is going to be a 'bundle' of changes in the team MM patch, some of which will hopefully garner more interest in the competitive community.
Regular matchmaking will get an overhaul.
Nome is the 2nd best HoN player at S2 (lol)
New maps are tied to matchmaking
Darkwood Vale is going to be replaced with a 'smaller 3v3 map'
S2 is trying to shift the metagame towards being more 'action' oriented and are discussing changes with the competitive community.
The community INT hero contest is still in the works and a new community hero is in the works.
Nome has a tentacle fetish.
Basically Nome said that they don't want jungle farming for 45 minutes to get godlike carries to be the best strategy, yet at the same time they want it to still be viable. They obviously want an action emphasis because it makes the game more exciting as a spectator sport which means more people will watch which means more money for S2.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
God I hate Behemoth. Terribly slow attack animation and casting speed (IMO) and he needs a Portal Key to have any effectiveness (and probably a Ring too, but I can't farm that). His ult is great for defending towers but useless out of a lane. Plus he lacks the farming/jungling capabilities of Magmus/Tempest/Lego.
I just suck with him.
I just suck with him.
manofmandango
Member
Valenti, what is your account name in HoN so I can friend you and we can we some games going? 
Behe only has a really slow animation for his second skill (god it takes like 1.5 seconds) the other two actives are fairly quick. His attack is slow as hell but he's not a right-click hero anyway. He's really, really good with the blood chalice and striders as they are right now; I find a bottle and mana ring are both unnecessary. Pkey is sweet, but you can still pull off sick blocks with Fissure without it.
phinious said:
Nope. Least newbie friendly game ever. Go play League of Legends or Sotis some more until you get accustomed to the concept of DotA, and even then prepare to grow some thick skin and shrug off idiots. If you do decide to get into HoN, be sure to read strategy guides on their forums.
HoN is the best at what it does, but it is incredibly unintuitive and has the worst online community ever.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
What happened to the kick button?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Archie said:
They should modify it so if the same result happens X times in a row (4/5 vote to concede, 1 doesn't), the vote happens anyway. I ended up with a leave because one douche wouldn't concede and I had to go (we were also being stomped).
Just played the best game ever. The other team had an Armadon who had about 10 kills in 20 minutes and we had all our secondary towers down in ~30 minutes. It looked like we were going to get stomped, but our Engineer stepped up and played an incredible leader role and we eventually came back and won the game. A complete 180 from my raging like an angry manchild a few days ago.
PillowKnight
Member
:lol Just let it go man.Sebulon3k said: