Doesn't matter in the end. He gets antsy if they lose and wants to be the carry, whatever hero it is he deems to be the carry. I feel like it throws off the team balance, for one, but also likely fucks their draft fairly often too when he was heavy into it by trying to force what he felt were the strongest heroes.
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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Zuna hasn't played anything but tank since july. He fully commited to the switch to tank and his pool has improved over time as a result.
Alpha Centauri
Member
Ya'll talking about cuts makes me wonder about aka. If/when he gets cut, what team would even pick him up? Spacestation is probably the only possible spot and I wonder if equinox would want to play with him again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...his_year_blizzcon_hots_goodies_have_only_one/
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/75ajmu/blizzcon_2017_loot_in_ptr/
Granted I guess they can add it before it goes live, but that's all there is on PTR.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Who can they replace him with is the question.
Nvt failed as a team and in general were not good at taking zuna's calls and making smart decisions.
They got better at that by: 1. Putting zuna into a role where his calls are more easily understood by his team and where he can control the flow of the play and 2. Removing bkid, who was consistently uncertain and lttp, from the tank role and in general isolating him from those types of situations by putting him solo.
The plays they do now are the same they have always gone for, they just are more cohesive now and understanding zuna's calls better. It helps that a toxic element was removed from the team that should allow ppl to feel more free to communicate their needs.
W/r/t aka, hes a package deal with udall no? I think there are things that indicate that he should be removed but it might not be the worst to see if they can improve him internally; that's up to gfe. I think a jun poach would improve gfe a lot but it's not really a realistic thing to consider afaik, but i dunno how jun feels about tempo or how gfe feel about aka
They got better at that by: 1. Putting zuna into a role where his calls are more easily understood by his team and where he can control the flow of the play and 2. Removing bkid, who was consistently uncertain and lttp, from the tank role and in general isolating him from those types of situations by putting him solo.
The plays they do now are the same they have always gone for, they just are more cohesive now and understanding zuna's calls better. It helps that a toxic element was removed from the team that should allow ppl to feel more free to communicate their needs.
W/r/t aka, hes a package deal with udall no? I think there are things that indicate that he should be removed but it might not be the worst to see if they can improve him internally; that's up to gfe. I think a jun poach would improve gfe a lot but it's not really a realistic thing to consider afaik, but i dunno how jun feels about tempo or how gfe feel about aka
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Now that you mention, tomster has been growing into the support role rapidly.
Bit of a gamble but buds went from being unheard of to one of the most notable supports NA has by being in the right team.
Bit of a gamble but buds went from being unheard of to one of the most notable supports NA has by being in the right team.
Tomster has been uneven in the role but getting more consistent and he's a supp that's not afraid of playmaking which is really valuable. I still remember the set where he ran into at least two mosh pits in two diff games 😥
He's been playing amazing for a roleswapper though, you can see him getting better every week
He's been playing amazing for a roleswapper though, you can see him getting better every week
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
the first couple weeks were really rough
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
unless Glau is on Medivh then it's a cakewalk
I'm always surprised when Glau reverts back and whips out Zera only to feed and play like shit, that's what you got Goku for now.
I'm always surprised when Glau reverts back and whips out Zera only to feed and play like shit, that's what you got Goku for now.
Oh shit, EU amateur cup http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/21114226
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Glau lost a considerable amount of his pool to Goku, Glau dominated early HGC with Dehaka and now pretty much never plays him.
Checked out bambam's stream thanks to scoobs' recommendation and it's pretty entertaining. Also got me to try out Diablo and he's really fun. Getting those wall stuns isn't all that easy but I'm working on it. I definitely appreciate the regen globe value of devil's due, gives him quite a bit of sustain.
Glau owes you a signed R20 shirt for sticking with him through all his failings til he found relevancy.
bambam is p good, and him and Dunk together on comms is always entertaining. Is Dunk streaming earlier or is he out atm? Didn't see him the last few nights.
Deathwing is the only one left from a rando Russian leak earlier this year. He's def coming at some point.
Alpha Centauri
Member
I think that was intentional misdirection from someone
But it would be so much more hype than any of these others (to me at least)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Apparently Junkrat's victory animation is ripped from Quacknix at MSB
Weekly Collection Update: Oct 17 24, 2017
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Brown Dire Wolf
Ghost Speeder
Next week's Collection Update will begin on Tuesday, October 17! Check out the new list of featured items and Hero discounts below.
Upcoming Hero Sales
Diablo Sale Price: 150 Gems
Zarya Sale Price: 375 Gems
The following Skins and Mounts will enter the Featured Item Rotation, and will be unlockable using Gems until next week's Collection Update:
Upcoming Featured Skins
Kaijo Diablo
Thunder Guard Zarya
Pack Leader Dehaka
Nether Monarch Brightwing
Unholy Frost Wyrm Arthas
Shadowpaw Li Li
Banshee Raven Sylvanas
Spectre Illidan
Upcoming Featured Mounts
Brown Dire Wolf
Ghost Speeder
Since Junkrat comes out on the 17th, it looks like Blizzcon falls on the end of the week in which they would normally reveal the next hero. So that probably means they'll just delay that hero to be part of what they unveil at Blizzcon.
This means almost nothing except that *maybe* we'll get more than just two hero announcements (as we did last year), since we're further along the release schedule for the next one.
This means almost nothing except that *maybe* we'll get more than just two hero announcements (as we did last year), since we're further along the release schedule for the next one.
I'm with you. We need more Diablo characters in general, and I would love to get some Diablo 1 love. (I would lose my shit if Moreina and/or Jazreth some how ever got announced.)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sounds like a pretty decent comp for haymaker.
Alpha Centauri
Member
I take it you are the mura diablo team?
Hard engage and wreck the backline. you should be able to kill any of them. I actually think the comp is ok, just need to capitalize during the mid game. If you aren't behind, ya'll should have a chance
With Arthas and Tyrael peels + Ana sleeps we can't hard engage anything and even when I managed to flip and charge someone into our team we couldn't kill them fast enough. Mura damage comes online at 16, same with Diablo (if I can wall stun which wasn't always possible). Genji is good at chasing and cleaning up but he can't burst down anyone by himself before he gets the shuriken damage and Lili is Lili. She also can't outheal Cassia and Naz damage. Game was over before we even got to 16.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
funny, all 3 teams from EU qualified for Blizzcon are bootcamping in Korea
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
of course gotta make sure to be able to scrim Fnatic.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yup my country is fucked up. More than half the voters voted for Nazis and christian conservatives, and I don't like either of these groups.
jaundicejuice
Member
Austria?
If it makes you feel any better, cold comfort, these populist elements are present everywhere. We had a couple of candidates for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada make a play for that base. They ultimately didn't win but the nativist base and sentiments they appealed to aren't going anywhere.
If it makes you feel any better, cold comfort, these populist elements are present everywhere. We had a couple of candidates for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada make a play for that base. They ultimately didn't win but the nativist base and sentiments they appealed to aren't going anywhere.
So, serious question. Do Valla and Greymane need nerfing?
They are ubitiquos at the pro level of play, and when you crunch the numbers you realise they have equal burst to the mage classes, which also having far higher PvE damage, sustained dps and mobility. They come with a hell of a lot of bonuses and very few weaknesses, and really step on the territory of the mage class heroes. No other sustained dps has a toolkit that large.
They are ubitiquos at the pro level of play, and when you crunch the numbers you realise they have equal burst to the mage classes, which also having far higher PvE damage, sustained dps and mobility. They come with a hell of a lot of bonuses and very few weaknesses, and really step on the territory of the mage class heroes. No other sustained dps has a toolkit that large.
scoobs
Member
Valla needs a nerf for sure.
Greymane needs a rework. All of his cocktail talents should be made into one talent at level 1, or baked into the baseline ability. His non-cocktail talents are uninspired, not worth taking... give some cool worgen only talents like how level 13 tier is.
Yea, both of those heroes are really OP. Why would you ever take a different ranged auto attack hero over either one of those? ... and even why would you pick a mage if either one of those two is still available. At least Li Ming and Chromie have specific purposes I guess, and both KTs have disables. Either way, Valla and Grey are easily the two best ranged auto attackers in the game and they hve been for a long ass time.
They could just reduce their ability damage a little and then buff the other ranged auto attack heroes.
(or rework the games ability vs auto attack damage mechanics... but that's a bigger nut to suck on)
We'll see what the ZJ changes do for the meta if anything.