Metalmurphy
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Hilary Goldstein, IGN 360 Editor , Bashes Xbox 360
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Choke on the Magic
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belvedere said:
My god what have you done! Make two dead prostitutes and some heroin in a fecies based medium. See you in O-T.
krypt0nian
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theBishop said:
Keep doing em! If they are pissing off this many people, they have to be good!
Bravo!
Skiptastic
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belvedere said:
:lol no, but your point is taken.
* Xbox can't compete and PS3 will win.belvedere said:
true
* "From a hardware standpoint, MS is in trouble."
true
* HD-DVD is dead and MS will have to add a BR player or add-on , but that it will always make it a more expensive console b/c even if they do an add-on for $200, why would anyone buy it?
true that HDDVD is dead
* They even bash the XBL movie download service.
Dont know much about it
* Sony's 10 year plan is going to make it dominant. People don't want to buy a new console every 4 years.
True
* The PS3 is going to sell b/c of of BR just by default.
huh?^^
* XBox makes you pay for online and PSN is free.
true
* PS3 is only going to get more and more attractive with better games long-term.
true
* PS3 is better value and you can replace the HD with any bigger Hard drive.
true
* MS is reluctant to offer user-generated content while Sony is embracing it.
nah^^
* "No way that MS can offer you what Sony gives you" for the money.
true
* MS needs a redesign of the XBox.
true
* MS is getting too arrogant.
true^^
*360 peripherals more expensive for less functionality (HDD, wireless etc)
yep^^
I think most of his points are understandable and right
krypt0nian
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theBishop said:
The sample size is meaningless but its just so informative for my predictions!
MrNyarlathotep
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That's considered 'bashing' by a journalist now, huh?
Bolded the unquestionable facts.
solid2snake
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Blablurn said:
GTFO
Choke on the Magic
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Kittonwy said:One day your PS3 will get fed up with your shit and leave you, and you'll be like "baby please don't go."
Then your 360 will die and you'll be a widow. Depressed you'll then go and marry a
Sega Saturn
juicyfruitas
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Folks just getting worked up in a tizzy cuz of who's ranting the rant. Having IGN's 360 channel editor go on a bash like this is akin to Bettenhausen going on a 10 minute anti ps3 rant on the next 1up Yours.
I love threads that dredge up meaningless shit so that they can spiral into an unflinching unchanging debate between Sony and Microsoft supporters.
Lemme paraphrase what this will turn into if people keep posting (hopefully, they won't):
I'm right because I like game X and genre Y and since only the Z has said game it's the best. Clearly people only like X and Y because I'm the only person in the world who matters. God, I turn myself on! *Fap Fap Fap*
Lemme paraphrase what this will turn into if people keep posting (hopefully, they won't):
I'm right because I like game X and genre Y and since only the Z has said game it's the best. Clearly people only like X and Y because I'm the only person in the world who matters. God, I turn myself on! *Fap Fap Fap*
belvedere said:
Some of those points seem pretty legit. As a 360 owner, I've thought some of the same things. I think 360 will do fine in NA, and at the very worst will end up like the original Xbox, which wasn't a bad alternative to the PS2 until Microsoft cut the cord early. Worldwide though, the PS3 passing up the 360 in sales is inevitable. It seems a few of Sony's gambles that looked so so stupid in the beginning are starting to pay off as the PS3 drops in price.
CitizenCope
Member
Does he hate how you don't have to install games on the 360?
Psychotext
Member
10 year plan,
10 year plan
10 year plan
Yeah, that only works if you're leading.
10 year plan
10 year plan
Yeah, that only works if you're leading.
Choke on the Magic
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Kittonwy said:I'm not married to my 360 though, I don't really play anything outside of the big exclusives and I'm pretty much done with them.
I love innuendoes.
inyourendo!
Rapping Granny
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WOW marketing at its best, and it worked, I salute IGN.
Hilary: "I think they're in trouble because, you know, their console is not built to be around for 10 years and if you believe Sony which I think they way they talk about it sounds reasonable, their console is gonna actually build on itself for 10 years and be really strong...and I think that people's willingness to buy new hardware is not going to get shorter. They buy a TV once every 10 years, they buy a DVD Player once every 10 years, they're going to want to buy a console every 7 or 8 years not something that will only last 4 years (or something that is going to break). So I do think MS will be in trouble if Sony is going strong and actually have a bunch of games because sooner or later people are gonna turn around, the system is going to sell because Blu-ray is winning, just by default, I mean if the PS3 drops at all in price, even if it doesn't drop in price its a 400 dollar Blu-Ray player with a game system that happens to come with it, the same price as Microsoft's offering with no HD movie player, no Wifi included, pay 50 bucks for online service, there is a whole lot that xbox does not offer, and the only way it does offer is if you buy more stuff whereas the PS3 is not going to get more expensive, its only going to get cheaper, its only going to be more attractive, its only going to get more and more games coming out for it and they're going to be looking better because as time goes by developers will be able to make better looking games for it.
So yeah PS2 sold better but one it was also a brand name that had been around for a long time, two dont forget it sold alot because people were switching to DVDs. Kids could convince their parents to buy the PS2 saying "we need a DVD player, so its already included", people in the next two years are gonna start switching to a Blu-Ray player, they're not gonna buy a 360 to play Blu-Rays. They're either gonna buy a blu-ray player that stands-alone for 300 bucks or buy a PS3 for 400 bucks. Kinda seems like a simple leap of logic that the installed base is gonna grow because of the fact that it has a blu-ray player, and if you already have the system and you see cool games coming out you can buy those cool games."
*talk about 360 offering blu-ray add-on to compete, Hilary counters with:
"But they're never going to offer a competitive price, the hardware will never be able to compete with a feature set like the PS3's. Imagine if the 360 was 300 bucks, and they offered a blu-ray add-on for 200, that'd be 500 bucks for the package, with a smaller hard-drive, *goes on about HDD advantage of PS3 and how you can have linux on it and get your own HDDs cheaper than the ones Microsoft offers, and how PS3 does user-generated content which Microsoft is very reluctant to offer, free online service with their only problem being they dont have the broad gamertag that works with every game, game to game. Microsoft is never going to have the full functionality of the PS3. You've gotta pay 100 bucks (which is ridiculous) for the Wifi with the 360 itself being whatever amount, lets say 400 bucks, and then blu-ray addon for 200 bucks thats 700 bucks, then you gotta pay for Live thats 750 bucks, and then what? Microsoft makes a NEW machine...its just not going to happen, they're in trouble. One of the problems Xbox had was the lack of games and lack of 3rd party support, Sony is still going to have 3rd parties making games for them, they're gonna have more games than the Xbox did definitely."
Grammar and paragraphing be damned. That sucked to transcript
And yay I was beaten
So yeah PS2 sold better but one it was also a brand name that had been around for a long time, two dont forget it sold alot because people were switching to DVDs. Kids could convince their parents to buy the PS2 saying "we need a DVD player, so its already included", people in the next two years are gonna start switching to a Blu-Ray player, they're not gonna buy a 360 to play Blu-Rays. They're either gonna buy a blu-ray player that stands-alone for 300 bucks or buy a PS3 for 400 bucks. Kinda seems like a simple leap of logic that the installed base is gonna grow because of the fact that it has a blu-ray player, and if you already have the system and you see cool games coming out you can buy those cool games."
*talk about 360 offering blu-ray add-on to compete, Hilary counters with:
"But they're never going to offer a competitive price, the hardware will never be able to compete with a feature set like the PS3's. Imagine if the 360 was 300 bucks, and they offered a blu-ray add-on for 200, that'd be 500 bucks for the package, with a smaller hard-drive, *goes on about HDD advantage of PS3 and how you can have linux on it and get your own HDDs cheaper than the ones Microsoft offers, and how PS3 does user-generated content which Microsoft is very reluctant to offer, free online service with their only problem being they dont have the broad gamertag that works with every game, game to game. Microsoft is never going to have the full functionality of the PS3. You've gotta pay 100 bucks (which is ridiculous) for the Wifi with the 360 itself being whatever amount, lets say 400 bucks, and then blu-ray addon for 200 bucks thats 700 bucks, then you gotta pay for Live thats 750 bucks, and then what? Microsoft makes a NEW machine...its just not going to happen, they're in trouble. One of the problems Xbox had was the lack of games and lack of 3rd party support, Sony is still going to have 3rd parties making games for them, they're gonna have more games than the Xbox did definitely."
Grammar and paragraphing be damned. That sucked to transcript
And yay I was beaten
MrNyarlathotep
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Kyoufu said:Hilary: "I think they're in trouble because, you know, their console is not built to be around for 10 years and if you believe Sony which I think they way they talk about it sounds reasonable, their console is gonna actually build on itself for 10 years and be really strong...and I think that people's willingness to buy new hardware is not going to get shorter. They buy a TV once every 10 years, they buy a DVD Player once every 10 years, they're going to want to buy a console every 7 or 8 years not something that will only last 4 years (or something that is going to break). So I do think MS will be in trouble if Sony is going strong and actually have a bunch of games because sooner or later people are gonna turn around, the system is going to sell because Blu-ray is winning, just by default, I mean if the PS3 drops at all in price, even if it doesn't drop in price its a 400 dollar Blu-Ray player with a game system that happens to come with it, the same price as Microsoft's offering with no HD movie player, no Wifi included, pay 50 bucks for online service, there is a whole lot that xbox does not offer, and the only way it does offer is if you buy more stuff whereas the PS3 is not going to get more expensive, its only going to get cheaper, its only going to be more attractive, its only going to get more and more games coming out for it and they're going to be looking better because as time goes by developers will be able to make better looking games for it.
So yeah PS2 sold better but one it was also a brand name that had been around for a long time, two dont forget it sold alot because people were switching to DVDs. Kids could convince their parents to buy the PS2 saying "we need a DVD player, so its already included", people in the next two years are gonna start switching to a Blu-Ray player, they're not gonna buy a 360 to play Blu-Rays. They're either gonna buy a blu-ray player that stands-alone for 300 bucks or buy a PS3 for 400 bucks. Kinda seems like a simple leap of logic that the installed base is gonna grow because of the fact that it has a blu-ray player, and if you already have the system and you see cool games coming out you can buy those cool games."
*talk about 360 offering blu-ray add-on to compete, Hilary counters with:
"But they're never going to offer a competitive price, the hardware will never be able to compete with a feature set like the PS3's. Imagine if the 360 was 300 bucks, and they offered a blu-ray add-on for 200, that'd be 500 bucks for the package, with a smaller hard-drive, *goes on about HDD advantage of PS3 and how you can have linux on it and get your own HDDs cheaper than the ones Microsoft offers, and how PS3 does user-generated content which Microsoft is very reluctant to offer, free online service with their only problem being they dont have the broad gamertag that works with every game, game to game. Microsoft is never going to have the full functionality of the PS3. You've gotta pay 100 bucks (which is ridiculous) for the Wifi with the 360 itself being whatever amount, lets say 400 bucks, and then blu-ray addon for 200 bucks thats 700 bucks, then you gotta pay for Live thats 750 bucks, and then what? Microsoft makes a NEW machine...its just not going to happen, they're in trouble. One of the problems Xbox had was the lack of games and lack of 3rd party support, Sony is still going to have 3rd parties making games for them, they're gonna have more games than the Xbox did definitely."
Grammar and paragraphing be damned. That sucked to transcript
And yay I was beaten
The full in context transcript makes it seem like even less of a 'bash' than the bullet points did...
SonOfABeep
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The amount of things that microsoft screws up are so frustrating. Especially since 360 is my favorite system, and things like pay-for-play online, hardware problems, and the expensive accessories just plain suck. It's a good thing 9/10 games I want are on the system.
Drop the elite to $300, make the core $200, and forget the premium. Make a hardware revision that works. Period. End of story. It has to work. Make a $400 Blu Ray version of the premium with 20gb HD. Make live free, increase XBLA and DLC prices ever so slightly to compensate, and add more ads. You will win. This is what you should be doing, microsoft. Get on it.
Drop the elite to $300, make the core $200, and forget the premium. Make a hardware revision that works. Period. End of story. It has to work. Make a $400 Blu Ray version of the premium with 20gb HD. Make live free, increase XBLA and DLC prices ever so slightly to compensate, and add more ads. You will win. This is what you should be doing, microsoft. Get on it.
CitizenCope
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theBishop said:
Totally, I was just trying to keep up with what has become one of the busier(non NPD numbers) system war days in some time on Gaf.
speculawyer
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Wait . . . you have a 360 yet bought the PS3 version of Orange Box? :loltheBishop said:
Guy Legend
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Kyoufu said:Hilary: "I think they're in trouble because, you know, their console is not built to be around for 10 years and if you believe Sony which I think they way they talk about it sounds reasonable, their console is gonna actually build on itself for 10 years and be really strong...and I think that people's willingness to buy new hardware is not going to get shorter. They buy a TV once every 10 years, they buy a DVD Player once every 10 years, they're going to want to buy a console every 7 or 8 years not something that will only last 4 years (or something that is going to break). So I do think MS will be in trouble if Sony is going strong and actually have a bunch of games because sooner or later people are gonna turn around, the system is going to sell because Blu-ray is winning, just by default, I mean if the PS3 drops at all in price, even if it doesn't drop in price its a 400 dollar Blu-Ray player with a game system that happens to come with it, the same price as Microsoft's offering with no HD movie player, no Wifi included, pay 50 bucks for online service, there is a whole lot that xbox does not offer, and the only way it does offer is if you buy more stuff whereas the PS3 is not going to get more expensive, its only going to get cheaper, its only going to be more attractive, its only going to get more and more games coming out for it and they're going to be looking better because as time goes by developers will be able to make better looking games for it.
So yeah PS2 sold better but one it was also a brand name that had been around for a long time, two dont forget it sold alot because people were switching to DVDs. Kids could convince their parents to buy the PS2 saying "we need a DVD player, so its already included", people in the next two years are gonna start switching to a Blu-Ray player, they're not gonna buy a 360 to play Blu-Rays. They're either gonna buy a blu-ray player that stands-alone for 300 bucks or buy a PS3 for 400 bucks. Kinda seems like a simple leap of logic that the installed base is gonna grow because of the fact that it has a blu-ray player, and if you already have the system and you see cool games coming out you can buy those cool games."
*talk about 360 offering blu-ray add-on to compete, Hilary counters with:
"But they're never going to offer a competitive price, the hardware will never be able to compete with a feature set like the PS3's. Imagine if the 360 was 300 bucks, and they offered a blu-ray add-on for 200, that'd be 500 bucks for the package, with a smaller hard-drive, *goes on about HDD advantage of PS3 and how you can have linux on it and get your own HDDs cheaper than the ones Microsoft offers, and how PS3 does user-generated content which Microsoft is very reluctant to offer, free online service with their only problem being they dont have the broad gamertag that works with every game, game to game. Microsoft is never going to have the full functionality of the PS3. You've gotta pay 100 bucks (which is ridiculous) for the Wifi with the 360 itself being whatever amount, lets say 400 bucks, and then blu-ray addon for 200 bucks thats 700 bucks, then you gotta pay for Live thats 750 bucks, and then what? Microsoft makes a NEW machine...its just not going to happen, they're in trouble. One of the problems Xbox had was the lack of games and lack of 3rd party support, Sony is still going to have 3rd parties making games for them, they're gonna have more games than the Xbox did definitely."
Grammar and paragraphing be damned. That sucked to transcript
And yay I was beaten
Hardly a "bash", but legitimate concerns/complaints. Thanks for the transcript.
tinfoilhatman
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michaeld said:
Exactly, any longer than that and we get stale technology.
Choke on the Magic
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speculawyer said:
Last time I played O.B. it seemed fine to me.