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[Fredrik]

Might not play the best but my God it is so beautiful, looks insane maxed out in 4K, I just saved Errnd, mapped F12 to Xbox Series share button, I’m like a paparazzi taking screenshots. Can’t wait for the modding community to wake up!

 

[SmokedMeat]

The numbers outside of that GaaS game from earlier this year just show what a failure Sony's PC strategy is.

Sony’s focusing more on GaaS.

Ridiculous $250 million dollar budget games don’t make sense anymore. The industry knows this and Sonys realizing it.

 

[mdkirby]

Not surprising it’s just not as good a game, so many dialogue and story beats were just bleurgh. The only memorable interesting characters were the archaeologists and sylence but the latter was barely in it. In terms of grander story, the first game and it’s big reveals and unravelling of the story that led to humanity’s fall was FAR more interesting, but they’d already blown that load, so hard to follow it. The pacing was poor. Aloy was annoying as fuck, she seemed continually “irritated” by every single person she spoke with, gritting her teeth and talking through fake smiles. Super unlikeable. The combat could also be very frustrating and fiddly too. It looked pretty tho.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

When people use the word "woke" you know their argument is going to be awful.

Nah. You know exactly wtf is going on on what we are talking about here. Sounds like you are “asleep”.

 

[Ozriel]

Going by the Insomniac leaks, all PC-ports were profitable, so it isn't a failure at all.

PC just isn't as important to Sony as some PC gamers like to think.

GaaS being the exception due to the nature of online multiplayer gaming.

Sony’s strategy slides and public statements make it very clear that PC is VERY important to Sony. It’s a great source of additional revenue, and is an important part of their GaaS push.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Sony’s strategy slides and public statements make it very clear that PC is VERY important to Sony. It’s a great source of additional revenue, and is an important part of their GaaS push.

GaaS, yes. Already made that distinction.

 

[Fake]

Going by the Insomniac leaks, all PC-ports were profitable, so it isn't a failure at all.

Wasn't Returnal a flop on PC?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Wasn't Returnal a flop on PC?

Was it? Then there's the exception, but Returnal also wasn't a big title.

Besides the point though, as there always can and will be exceptions to anything.

 

[Fake]

Was it? Then there's the exception, but Returnal also wasn't a big title.

Besides the point though, as there always can and will be exceptions to anything.

Was. Flopped in both PS5 and PC.

Same as the Sackboy.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Sony’s strategy slides and public statements make it very clear that PC is VERY important to Sony. It’s a great source of additional revenue, and is an important part of their GaaS push.

What's so bizarre is the console fanboys begging and pleading that Sony stop porting 1st party games to PC when they should be hoping they're super successful so it funds more projects for the console, it's a rinse/repeat cycle, how they can't see this is beyond me.

 

[Ceadeus]

People are tired of playing predictable open world. They're easy and filled with busywork. The interiors do not feel handcrafted and lacks personality.

 

[Dynasty8]

Loved the first one, but you can't even pay me money to play the second one. I am not even kidding or exaggerating. I find the constant hand holding and "hints" and Aloy dialogue (where she just randomly talks to herself all the time) so incredibly annoying that it's not worth my time. I am just so over all that.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

This thread is certainly premature. For one, games tend to peak during their first weekend, and for two, this is coming out right at the same time as Dragon’s Dogma 2 which will likely peak at over 300K+ this weekend.

FW has a bad habit of launching in the launch windows of much better games

 

[DForce]

Nah. You know exactly wtf is going on on what we are talking about here. Sounds like you are “asleep”.

Yes, I know what's going on. I just don't fall victim to some brain-dead crap.

 

[clarky]

Not surprised tbh.

Tempted to buy it for the eye candy but i know deep down ill fuck around with it for a couple of hours then stick it in my already very large backlog.

Way too much on the go atm and i just bought DD2, might grab it on a deep sale at somepoint .

 

[YuLY]

Man you guys are always reaching with this game. Aloy must have killed someone in your family or some shit.

No, but it did end Killzone. So fuck this francize.

 

[Gaiff]

No, but it did end Killzone. So fuck this francize.

Killzone killed itself.

 

[YuLY]

Killzone killed itself.

No, Killzone is an IP, it was killed by Guerilla Games Studios by making a sub-par game in Shadows Fall. The IP was doing good with 2 and 3.

I guess they really wanted to make a lezbo open world game with bows.

 

[Fredrik]

What's so bizarre is the console fanboys begging and pleading that Sony stop porting 1st party games to PC when they should be hoping they're super successful so it funds more projects for the console, it's a rinse/repeat cycle, how they can't see this is beyond me.

Idk, is it bizarre? I’d say it’s a normal reaction about wanting the exclusives the stay as real exclusives and system sellers and not just timed exclusives with definitive versions coming elsewhere later. And if a userbase of 40 million isn’t enough to fund more projects for the console then the industry is broken, it should be enough.

The result, I’ve basically retired my PS5 now because of these ports. I only used it for the exclusives (and Hogwarts) and have a PC in the living room for those now where they’re better. I guess my kids could start it to play some PS4 Skylanders some day but all in all the console is collecting dust, sad but true.

 

[Sleepwalker]

I enjoyed the first one and the DLC but I don't have it in me to play this one I don't think. Not that great from all I've seen.

 

[Gaiff]

No, Killzone is an IP, it was killed by Guerilla Games Studios by making a sub-par game in Shadows Fall. The IP was doing good with 2 and 3.

I guess they really wanted to make a lezbo open world game with bows.

Well, then GG ended Killzone, not Horizon.

Whatever the case, GG could have never made Killzone relevant after Shadowfall. The demand for these traditional shooters had dried up. If Halo is barely irrelevant now, Killzone would have been a lost memory.

 

[Fredrik]

I enjoyed the first one and the DLC but I don't have it in me to play this one I don't think. Not that great from all I've seen.

If you have the system to run it on very high and like nice visuals. Play it. It’s not a bad game at all but there is some annoying control jank that you need to get used to.
I’m quite blown away tbh, about 6 hours in, it’s a real looker like few other games and I know from playing on PS5 that I have even better looking areas ahead of me.

 

[KaiserBecks]

Aloy > Ashley confirmed

 

[Gudji]

No, but it did end Killzone. So fuck this francize.

Fuck Killzone.

 

[YuLY]

Fuck Killzone.

You sound like a lil bitch.

 

[OverHeat]

Fuck Killzone.

How about no.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Was. Flopped in both PS5 and PC.

Same as the Sackboy.

Returnal made its profit on PS5 and it reviewed well. I dont know what you mean by flop

 

[Danknugz]

it's just kind of a wack game and PC gamers have more options than these kind of games.

 

[Fake]

Returnal made its profit on PS5 and it reviewed well. I dont know what you mean by flop

Returnal did pretty mix bag sales in PS5 if I remember right. And I not talking about review score, so keep that out of the table.

Sackboy did OKish on PS5, but bad on PC. I guess is because the port quality.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Nah, I almost hated this game after having loved the first one. Story is terrible and the writing was hilariously bad. I dont remember any new characters while I can still remember ones from mid games from two generations of consoles ago.
The level design was also plain as hell, with sometimes great vistas but mostly dull locations, and never any "wow moment" like I had in the first one.

My memory is crystal clear, this was just a terrible sequel and a dull experience, with no memorable moments and it felt like a waste of my time. I vividly remember all the facepalms I had during some cutscenes and with the different tribes you encounter, like the "C'eeho" native american one that felt like one of the most ridiculous thing I came across in recent memories.

Subjective opinion and all that, I understand, but I perfectly remember what I played and it was not great. A safe, dull and random as hell AAA gaming sequel experience.

Pretty much. I got the plat but it wasn’t a great experience, kind of just a mindless Ubi clone open world game.

The narrative and writing are the worst elements of the game. It’s like every NPC has a dozen pages of shitty dialogue to hit you with every time you talk to them and none of it is interesting.

 

[Gudji]

You sound like a lil bitch.

Lmao what's this are we in 4chan now or something.

How about no.

They only made one good.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Returnal did pretty mix bag sales in PS5 if I remember right. And I not talking about review score, so keep that out of the table.

Sales wise Im pretty sure it made a profit so didnt flop in that regard.

 

[Fake]

Sales wise Im pretty sure it made a profit so didnt flop in that regard.

FY2021 games:

1. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - 2.34m
2. MLB The Show 21 - 1.606m
3. Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut - 1.494m
4. Returnal - 866k
5. Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection - 329k
6. Death Stranding Director's Cut - 210k

FY2020 games:

1. Spider-Man: Miles Morales - 10.184m
2. The Last of Us Part II - 9.636m
3. Ghost of Tsushima - 7.436m
4. Demon's Souls Remake - 1.857m
5. Sackboy: A Big Adventure - 1.289m
6. Predator: Hunting Grounds - 778k

Catalogue games (pre-FY2020):

• Spider-Man 2018 - 22.121m
• God of War PS4 - 20.826m
• Horizon Zero Dawn - 19.261m
• Uncharted 4: A Thief's End - 18.616m
• The Last of Us Remastered - 18.242m
• Gran Turismo Sport - 12.726m
• Uncharted Collection - 9.684m
• Bloodborne - 7.464m
• Days Gone - 7.322m
• Ratchet & Clank - 6.97m
• God of War 3 Remastered - 5.57m
• Detroit Become Human - 5.406m
• LittleBigPlanet 3 - 5.391m
• Uncharted: The Lost Legacy - 5.246mil
• InFamous: Second Son - 5.084m
• Driveclub - 4.764m
• Death Stranding - 4.157m
• Until Dawn - 3.906m

Sounds like pretty low numbers to me.

 

[adamosmaki]

Maybe people arent that much excited for it and are not willing to spend 60 on it .
Personally i found zero dawn just decent so i cant justify 60euros for more of the same. For 20-30 sure

 

[DForce]

Sounds like pretty low numbers to me.

That's not how you determine if a game is a flop.

 

[MikeM]

Bought day 1 on PS5 and got the platinum. Will double dip on PC but no way at full price.

 

[pepodmc_]

I dont care about this generic game, give me a god of war ragnarok port, now!

 

[BacklashWave534]

Forbidden West is an amazing game but what super genius thought it was a good idea to launch alongside of DD2?!? Probably should have waited a few more months.

 

[jonnyp]

No, but it did end Killzone. So fuck this francize.

No, the shitty Shadow Fall killed KZ.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

Fuck Killzone.

Fuck you too.

 

[diffusionx]

That's because the game stinks. It looks great but that's about it.

 

[Musashipan]

Fail

 

[Negotiator101]

Forbidden West is an amazing game but what super genius thought it was a good idea to launch alongside of DD2?!? Probably should have waited a few more months.

 

[Rockman33]

Wasn't Returnal a flop on PC?

Not sure one numbers but I think returnal is a game that would have really benefited from releasing day and date on PC. Better frame rates and a controller that had back paddles when it released would have been great.

Still my favorite Sony 1st party game this gen.

 

[Tomi]

Why should we care?

Sony is bringing more great ports to pc, so more games for pc gamers is always welcome

 

[Gudji]

Fuck you too.

10 years ago everyone was asking guerrilla to move away from killzone because they couldn't do justice to the franchise. Now it's "bring back killzone". Gtfo.

Btw what's up with the fucking insults in GAF as of late? Must be the climate change.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Sounds like pretty low numbers to me.

Despite being great it's a niche title. Hardcore sci-fi shooter with a "grounded-looking" female character cannot expect a big audience.

 

[Fake]

Not sure one numbers but I think returnal is a game that would have really benefited from releasing day and date on PC. Better frame rates and a controller that had back paddles when it released would have been great.

Still my favorite Sony 1st party game this gen.

Can't say for sure, but as far as we know Returnal flopped on PS5 and than flopped on PC. I posted the numbers, if Kokoloko85 could find where is the profit in that numbers I'll glad to confirm what he did.

Despite being great it's a niche title. Hardcore sci-fi shooter with a "grounded-looking" female character cannot expect a big audience.

I remember when the sales got reported people blame the game being a 'rougelike', but was already proved that being rougelike have nothing to do with the game flopping because there was others in the same genre getting much better numbers than Returnal.
I mean, even the GoW: Ragnarok update got praise even being a rougelike mode.

 

[Gaiff]

Despite being great it's a niche title. Hardcore sci-fi shooter with a "grounded-looking" female character cannot expect a big audience.

Niche titles sell 10M+ copies now?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Niche titles sell 10M+ copies now?

Returnal.