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They aren't hurt by it. Its just preconceived notions about what e3 has to be.
Great post that's all true but an effectively managed press conference can do a lot more good than any ad campaign/recorded video. An E3 stage demo is your biggest opportunity to shape your narrative in the more mainstream gaming outlets. Sony's press conference at E3 wasn't great because of the content (I actually think Microsoft 's showing was generally better) but because of the audience reaction to certain things they announced. It was the cheering at the Sony presser that cemented that whole DRM issue as a big deal and that became the biggest story coming out of E3 and defined the pre launch media cycle. All the fist pumping fantasy football bros on TV Microsoft could buy weren't enough to turn the narrative.
If Nintendo are confident that their next Zelda game is going to be amazing, they should demo it live at E3. Wowing an E3 audience can do wonders at generating hype because it is a spontaneous reaction. Ubisoft did that with Watchdogs and it still helps the game get attention even after the delays.
So like I said above, they just need to pre-record a "live show" with sounds of a roaring crowd and it'll be a total success.
People like you are the whole reason a fair argument is being derailed.
Most people bought consoles based on hype and promise. Ex: Everyone who bought X1/PS4 Day One or within the first few months.
ND doesn't provide that same hype.
People like you are the whole reason a fair argument is being derailed.
Most people bought consoles based on hype and promise. Ex: Everyone who bought X1/PS4 Day One or within the first few months.
ND doesn't provide that same hype.
Let's stop making generalisations based on subjective perception.For me, my local newspapers and news stations (Toronto) usually never talk about gaming until E3. They also talked about it when Sony and Microsoft had their XB1 and PS4 reveal events. Nintendo only gets exposure from E3.
They're competing more efficiently by eliminating the chance of live on-stage problems like the Skyward demo and embarrassments like Ravi drums.
By controlling the space where they broadcast to the internet, they control the post-show, they give links to related videos, you see exactly what they want you to see. It's a better way to compete.
The public isn't one homogeneous group though. The people who gain negative perception due to this are by and large not people who are likely to care about Nintendo in the first place- they're not part of Nintendo's core demographic
Every Nintendo Direct thread on GAF disagrees.
I'm not convinced they ever had those demographic in the first place. It's more like the people currently in that demographic were kids when Nintendo was huge and drifted away and they grew up. I don't think the 18-34 demographic was actually that significant back when Nintendo was super dominantSo what you're telling us is Nintendo shouldn't hold a press conference because they're too incompetent to pull one off without making embarrassments of themselves?
Nintendo screwing up and losing the core demographic of gamers (18-34) is why they're in this mess to begin with.
People like you are the whole reason a fair argument is being derailed.
Most of it is manufactured hype and is widely hyperbole-ized, is ironic and meant for the laughs.
Nobody actually expects megatons or the like in NDs.
Also, NDs on GAF aren't representative of "gamers" much less the entire internet.
I'm not convinced they ever had those demographic in the first place. It's more like the people currently in that demographic were kids when Nintendo was huge and drifted away and they grew up. I don't think the 18-34 demographic was actually that significant back when Nintendo was super dominant
Manufactured hype? What?Most of it is manufactured hype and is widely hyperbole-ized/ironic and meant for the laughs.
Nobody actually expects megatons or the like in NDs.
Also, NDs on GAF aren't representative of "gamers" much less the entire internet.
Manufactured hype? What?
Also, E3 on GAF isn't representative of "gamers" much less the entire internet.
Look back and you realize that even in the days of the Sega Genesis Nintendo was targeted as being for younger kids, and Sega's stuff at the time wasn't exactly targeted at adults eitherIt's a fair point, I've often thought that gamers grew up and Nintendo didn't.
We're not really hyped. We're being brainwashed by that evil Nintendo.
Gamers are so easily manipulated.
So like I said above, they just need to pre-record a "live show" with sounds of a roaring crowd and it'll be a total success.
Again lol. This is getting out of order hahaBoss★Moogle;110014408 said:When you don't really have any new games to show, there's really no point in having a conference is there? It's not like they could stretch a trailer for Zelda Wii U into a 90 minute conference. Makes sense to skip it.
E3 is about specialized marketing with the added bonus of it being reporterd through media outlets.Yeah, that's a really good point in favor of putting less emphasis on the stage show.
Manufactured hype? What?
Tell me what isn't ironic in the least:I like how you make these broad sweeping generalizations without anything to back it up. Are you sure you're not just imposing your own anecdotal experiences onto this discussion?
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king k rool about to be unleashed
lets get hyped
Reserved for megatons and new Mario and Zelda and Metroid and X surprise release on the eShop tomorrow.
Cant wait for Sumo Digital-made F-Zero.
Will announce F-Zero U, Zelda U, Waverace U, Metroid U
WiiU:
Kid Icarus Uprising HD
Metroid Prime 4
Xenoblade HD
THe Last Story HD
F-Zero GX GD
Wave Race Blue Storm HD
Final Fantasy VII HD
Skies of Arcadia HD
Shenmue 3
Super Mario Galaxy HD Collection
Star Fox
Super Mario 3D World DLC
Dragon Quest X
3DS:
Bravelier Default
Majora's Mask 3D
Super Metroid sequel
A Worlds Ends with You 2
Dragon Quest VII
ALL ABOARD!
GAF HYPE. LETS DO THIS
METROID PRIME 4
MARIO GALAXY HD COLLECTION
MAJORAS MASK 3DS
X
FIRE EMBLEM X SMT
Mushroom Kingdom Cup 2014, launching in June
Mario Strikers Wii U YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Boss★Moogle;110014408 said:When you don't really have any new games to show, there's really no point in having a conference is there? It's not like they could stretch a trailer for Zelda Wii U into a 90 minute conference. Makes sense to skip it.
They're looking very Nokiaish right about now.
They need to come out strong with something at E3. The diehard fans can only carry the company so far. They won last gen, let it go to their heads, and blew their load too early with the Wii U. One day I'm going to nerd rant on the collosal ectasy ED that was the Wii U's release. Seriously, next gen starts when "we" say it does, eh? That shortsighted statement was foreshadowed the future.
Nintendo is hurt by losing more mindshare to Microsoft and Sony. We've yet to see both companies really let loose. The gap in what appears to be premium gaming, in my opinion, will only widen as the big bring better games to the table. Nintendo has to shift gears at some point and win back the core.
Nintendo is frustrating me at the moment and need a strong E3 to win back gamers to their side. Literally look at the quality of a Forza or an Infamous 2 and compare it to the strongest Nintendo title. They've got their work cut out for them.
I'm waiting for the next CEO to change gears or drop a burning platform memo.
They're looking very Nokiaish right about now.
They need to come out strong with something at E3. The diehard fans can only carry the company so far. They won last gen, let it go to their heads, and blew their load too early with the Wii U. One day I'm going to nerd rant on the collosal ectasy ED that was the Wii U's release. Seriously, next gen starts when "we" say it does, eh? That shortsighted statement was foreshadowed the future.
Nintendo is hurt by losing more mindshare to Microsoft and Sony. We've yet to see both companies really let loose. The gap in what appears to be premium gaming, in my opinion, will only widen as the big bring better games to the table. Nintendo has to shift gears at some point and win back the core.
Nintendo is frustrating me at the moment and need a strong E3 to win back gamers to their side. Literally look at the quality of a Forza or an Infamous 2 and compare it to the strongest Nintendo title. They've got their work cut out for them.
I'm waiting for the next CEO to change gears or drop a burning platform memo.
I don't think Nintendo has to worry about beating the quality of those two games. Nintendo has not had a problem with quality games. It's the system itself that is hurting the company.
Somebody was trying to argue earlier that the bloat is extremely important because it builds anticipation for when the really cool stuff gets announced.
I'm pretty sure he got laughed out of the thread.
Am I the only one that actually kinda liked the format of the ND last year? It trimmed the very excessive fat off of bloated, unnecessary, image-conscious hype and just showed games. I'd rather have this then I would love it if Sony and Microsoft took an approach like this and just let said, "you know what? Instead of 2 hours of bullshit, here's the 45 minutes you actually fucking care about."
Am I the only one that actually kinda liked the format of the ND last year? It trimmed the very excessive fat off of bloated, unnecessary, image-conscious hype and just showed games. I'd rather have this then I would love it if Sony and Microsoft took an approach like this and just let said, "you know what? Instead of 2 hours of bullshit, here's the 45 minutes you actually fucking care about."
What the fuck is manufactured hype?
Tell me what isn't ironic in the least:
What the fuck is manufactured hype?
I don't get it. Are you saying that people posting what they want creates hype?
So if I said, "STAR FOX WII U C'MON NINTENDO!", during a ND, I'd be manufacturing hype?
They're admitting defeat by not even trying to impress potential owners. Maybe they have nothing new to announce. Who knows. It's a mistake no doubt about it.
What the fuck is manufactured hype?
I don't get it. Are you saying that people posting what they want creates hype?
So if I said, "STAR FOX WII U C'MON NINTENDO!", during a ND, I'd be manufacturing hype?
Post makes 0 sense..E3 is about specialized marketing with the added bonus of it being reporterd through media outlets.
Tell me what isn't ironic in the least:
Don't get me wrong, I've been genuinely super hyped in the SSB ND thread, seriously look at what I wrote I was super hyped, but the once every 2 month-sh ND doesn't actually have much going for it.
Super Mario 3D world was better recieved than either of those games. The problem is that the type of games Nintendo specializes in don't appeal to most of the 18-34 crowd, and they never had. The market changed as gaming became more and more acceptable to mainstream adult audiences, but Nintendo still specializes in the same things they always did. Nintendo still produces game as high in quality as they ever had. It's just a brand of quality that doesn't appeal to most of the gaming market, especially now that smartphones have begun to eat away at the child and casual audiences. And it's not as simple as Nintendo shifting their focus to a new audience, because Nintendo has no experience with that audience and the type of games they like most. Nintendo has always appealed to younger or nerdier audiences. The difference is that nowadays those audiences aren't the bulk of the gaming industry anymore. Nintendo's games are mostly fantasy or scifi type settings that are far removed from realism, but what mainstream audiences want is the clocked up to 11 realism. As a comparison, the types of games mainstream gamers want now is the same as the type of movies that become huge successes, and most of the time that isn't the silly or fantastical type of movie. Even stuff like comic book movies that are successful do so by adding more elements of realism and drama to the comic book setting. Most action movies that are successful don't take place in fantasy settings. You'll get a few big scifi stuff, but even that is mostly still taking place on Earth and not in fantastic other worlds, which is the type of stuff NIntendo specializes inThey're looking very Nokiaish right about now.
They need to come out strong with something at E3. The diehard fans can only carry the company so far. They won last gen, let it go to their heads, and blew their load too early with the Wii U. One day I'm going to nerd rant on the collosal ectasy ED that was the Wii U's release. Seriously, next gen starts when "we" say it does, eh? That shortsighted statement was foreshadowed the future.
Nintendo is hurt by losing more mindshare to Microsoft and Sony. We've yet to see both companies really let loose. The gap in what appears to be premium gaming, in my opinion, will only widen as the big bring better games to the table. Nintendo has to shift gears at some point and win back the core.
Nintendo is frustrating me at the moment and need a strong E3 to win back gamers to their side. Literally look at the quality of a Forza or an Infamous 2 and compare it to the strongest Nintendo title. They've got their work cut out for them.
I'm waiting for the next CEO to change gears or drop a burning platform memo.
That fact this is even being debated is proof that it is having a negative impact on some. Maybe it's not many, but it will still impact some.
Since Nintendo is in a poor position, it's seen as a retreat and a sign of weakness and will be spun as such. If Nintendo had left E3 during Wii's prime, the story's would have been different.
What's wrong with having a little fun?It means nobody is actually hyped for K.Rool in SSB and nobody is actually hyped for Superman 64 HD collection. Manufactured hype was the wrong word but it definitely isn't genuine.
How is it a mistake nintendo had a ton of games last year at e3.
Pokemon X & Y
Legend of Zelda A Linkl Between Worlds
Super Mario 3d World
Mario Kart 8
Bayonetta 2
Wii Party U
Wii Fit U
Super Smash Bros U
Donkey Kong Country Tropical freeze
Legend OF Zelda Wind Waker HD
X
They actually showed off as many first party titles as the usually do
What's wrong with having a little fun?
I do it all the time. I list all these random "wants" whenever a ND happens. I don't expect any of them to be announced nor do I expect anyone to believe what I've posted.
People get hype because of the potential and hopefully what was revealed.
But... they aren't leaving E3. Their presence at E3 is stronger than ever...
Which is why this entire debate makes no sense.
I think in a world where most people learn about enthusiast news through a trending topic on twitter, the power of "spectacle" is slightly overrated. I think it has a place. Trust me, I'm a strong believer in crafting a compelling narrative. But remember that everything's getting condensed to a hashtag at some point, so your message better be strong enough to make an impact beyond the conversation about the rapper you hired to perform at your event.
For the gaming press that's fine, for bigger mainstream outlets (like perhaps USA Today) won't pay attention too that. The story Wednesday morning will be MS showed this, Sony did that, and Nintendo wasn't even there.
They're looking very Nokiaish right about now.
They need to come out strong with something at E3. The diehard fans can only carry the company so far. They won last gen, let it go to their heads, and blew their load too early with the Wii U. One day I'm going to nerd rant on the collosal ectasy ED that was the Wii U's release. Seriously, next gen starts when "we" say it does, eh? That shortsighted statement was foreshadowed the future.
Nintendo is hurt by losing more mindshare to Microsoft and Sony. We've yet to see both companies really let loose. The gap in what appears to be premium gaming, in my opinion, will only widen as the big bring better games to the table. Nintendo has to shift gears at some point and win back the core.
Nintendo is frustrating me at the moment and need a strong E3 to win back gamers to their side. Literally look at the quality of a Forza or an Infamous 2 and compare it to the strongest Nintendo title. They've got their work cut out for them.
I'm waiting for the next CEO to change gears or drop a burning platform memo.
Nintendo Announces No Live Press Conference For E3 (IGN)
Nintendo Reveals its E3 Plans Don't Include Live Conference (IGN)
Nintendo Will Not Hold An E3 Press Conference, But Will Show Off Games (Siliconera)
Nintendo won't hold a live press conference at E3 2014 (Eurogamer)
Nintendo Skips E3 2014 Press Event for Streaming Video and Smash Tourney (USGamer.net)
Nintendo skips E3 press conferences, announces Nintendo Digital Event (Destructoid)
Nintendo bails on E3 press conference yet again (cnet)
For the second year in a row, Nintendo will be skipping a traditional E3 press conference.(Gamespot)
So like I said above, they just need to pre-record a "live show" with sounds of a roaring crowd and it'll be a total success.
I'd be perfectly content with that, as long as none of the crowd members leak any secrets.
But in the end, I just want Zelda U to get the reveal it deserves. You all know what video this is, and you all know why this video is great.