did you read exactly what I wrote? It isn't preventing another Iraq. He's been antagonizing North Korea for months now. So we get another Iraq AND killing his own citizens on domestic soil.
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I can't believe I'm saying this..I miss Bush. He just owned Trump.
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did you read exactly what I wrote? It isn't preventing another Iraq. He's been antagonizing North Korea for months now. So we get another Iraq AND killing his own citizens on domestic soil.
Reagan wouldn't be a centrist Dem. He's firmly of the donor class of the GOP.
You could definitely make the argument for Bush Sr. and Nixon though.
Autodidact
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~~~Moderate Darling~~~
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Bush senior had a war in Iraq but with a coalition and an objective not many would argue with. Got in and got out without the nation building. Increased taxes when needed and saw over the reunification of Germany and dicing up of the Soviet Union. Hell Clinton used Nixon when he was in office
Red Blaster
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owning trump is literally the easiest thing in the world
who fucking cares
who fucking cares
VendettaRed07
Member
Man. President Gary Johnson would be like a PG Rated Trump.
Thered be a ton of turnover and chaos and weird shit happening. But it would be a lot less cynical a grim.
BREAKING: SoS Vermin Supreme greets Prime Minister May by throwing a live Tuna at her feet.
jakonovski
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It's entirely possible that Trump is too much of a coward to start anything. That's why I said if. You don't like it fine but your predictions of war are not fact.
Don't let the appearance of him being the lovable oaf fool you, Bush was just as bad with his illegal war that he dragged Britain into and caused the Labour to be hugely unpopular.
Things that Trump has done that just as bad if not worse;
-Threaten North Korea into a nuclear war,
-Working hard to reverse the affordable health act,
-Discrediting the news media by spouting "fake news",
-Empowered the rise of Neo Nazi,
-Straight up refuse to help Puerto Rico even going to insult the Mayor,
-Banned Muslim from entering the US,
Trump is already on this way causing unfolded damage, which will take years to repair.
Things that Trump has done that just as bad if not worse;
-Threaten North Korea into a nuclear war,
-Working hard to reverse the affordable health act,
-Discrediting the news media by spouting "fake news",
-Empowered the rise of Neo Nazi,
-Straight up refuse to help Puerto Rico even going to insult the Mayor,
-Banned Muslim from entering the US,
Trump is already on this way causing unfolded damage, which will take years to repair.
Reagan and the presidents have done similar things.
Not saying that Bush was a good president, I just think Trump is a different and new kind of bad.
old manatee
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Bush was a horrible president, but he has shown some humility and remorse, so I can at least respect him on a human level. It felt like he went on a bizarre spiritual journey after being president where he dipped out of the spotlight and started painting sensitive nudes of himself in the shower and shit.
Trump isn't a human being. He is a narcissistic monster. He'll never look within. He probably still thinks he was right about Obama's birth certificate. He is someone who should never be given power of any kind. If he was a greeter at Best Buy he would abuse that authority by racially profiling customers for bag checks, and snooping in women's purses. Donald Trump should be in prison carrying someone else's lunch tray for them.
Trump isn't a human being. He is a narcissistic monster. He'll never look within. He probably still thinks he was right about Obama's birth certificate. He is someone who should never be given power of any kind. If he was a greeter at Best Buy he would abuse that authority by racially profiling customers for bag checks, and snooping in women's purses. Donald Trump should be in prison carrying someone else's lunch tray for them.
Skinny Pete
Banned
Crappy President but overall seems like a good man. Trump is a shit person and shit president.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
It really just sucks were are even comparing who is worse. Fuck.
Oppo
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this is why i lay a big part of this shit timeline at McCains feet. hes the one who invited Crazy into the political process with Palin.
Bush at least tried to keep the peace with Muslims, i remember him going out of his way to do that.
Cheney and Perle can burn though, they are monsters
Bush at least tried to keep the peace with Muslims, i remember him going out of his way to do that.
Cheney and Perle can burn though, they are monsters
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Atom Heart Mother
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iraqi war is better than trump
i guess
i guess
Really started with Nixon and the Southern Strategy, but at that point, they were explicitly leveraging them for political gain and didn't actually buy into it themselves.
That's changed now, the white supremacists gained control of the party.
I H8 Memes
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Anyone who supported right wing media is responsible for this. Dont complain about the smell at home plate when you were one of the people who took a shit in the batters box.
Face it Tiger..
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Moron isn't what I'd claim for Bush..
but Cheney? fuck him.
but Cheney? fuck him.
correct. democrats actually used to be the racists and social conservatives. Nixon in a bid to win wooed over the southern conservatives after the democrats hopped on board the civil rights train. it was basically the marriage of satan and Cthulhu. The worst of all worlds in one party.
Electric Eye
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All in the name of god and how its part of his plan for America. That's how men like Bush (white, elite, christian conservative) view their actions and that's why it doesn't phase them and they sleep just fine at night.
Just_myles
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This is all I can say. I mentioned something like this in the McCain thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252312938&postcount=22
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252312938&postcount=22
NinjaCoachZ
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More than anything sentiments like this and "what if Romney had won?" are just what solidifies that the US is through the looking glass.
We'll all be singing our praise for him in native Russian as we hide out in the safety of our bunkers at night before the dead ones eat our flesh. Oh but the fun of swapping bedtime stories on how he finally ended Obamacare and gave tax cuts to the wealthy are a daily highlight. That wall he built also keeps the dreaded lurkers at bay!
This.
Predictably, people are buying into this performative bullshit by neocons looking to rehabilitate their image. As a quick reminder, the actions of the Bush administration (over false pretenses, no less) directly resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. But because he appears "dignified", he's better than Trump?
When Trump actually starts illegal wars which result in trauma of a similar magnitude, we can start comparing notes.
Lucky Seven
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I never felt like I had the words taken out of my mouth before until I read this post. Seriously, what the heck at the Bush sentiment.
cartographer
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What about Guantanamo or starting an illegal war makes people think he seems like a good dude?
How low are your standards for good people?
How low are your standards for good people?
Vincent Alexander
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...said no one.
PeakPointMatrix
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Youll find out
OP said he miss him. How can you miss a president with a mountain of corpses behind if you are not willing to forgive him or pretend it didn't happen?
These recurring threads are always horrible. Some of you are ok with neocon mass murderes as long as they don't make you "feel" bad.
ebullientprism
Member
He is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Destabilizing an entire region. Destroying multiple countries. And being part of a global recession.
But hey, he made a good speech. That makes up for everything.
Only Americans could think that way.
But hey, he made a good speech. That makes up for everything.
Only Americans could think that way.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Thankfully, no one has forgotten this about Bush. The thread reactions in here are bonkers. I get the intent, but do we need a P.S. after every post about him that acknowledges we know he is a piece of shit who did shitty things?
Misses him compared to Trump does not equate to forgetting his war crimes. Maybe take the angle of arguing the war crimes are themselves worse than what Trump has done?
I'm out. Can see where this thread is going...nowhere great.
It's not impossible. There are lots of Republicans way more hateful and vicious than Trump.
ClosingADoor
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This is the speech I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07UKipL8PLE
If you say you miss Bush, isn't that exactly what's implied? His presidency is over, we know the aftermath. How on earth can you seperate those things? :'D
Dr_LucienSanchez
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This liberal nostalgia for the Bush years that I've seen cropping up lately is fucking killing me.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Can we not normalize this? Ill give him props for saying some things that make sense now but he was a fucking horrible president that helped sew the fabric of what we are now dealing with.
This. Trump is an ass but George W. Bush started a bloody, unconscionable war on false pretenses and was basically checked out during the worst global recession of our generation. The revisionism about Bush in here or anywhere is disgusting.
Cesare Borgia
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He hasn't done it yet, hence my comment.
Bush did far more harm to the country and world than Trump, and (while it's early) I doubt Trump will match him. For all the talk about Bush being "stupid" he surrounded himself with very competent people who were able to enact multiple policies that ruined large parts of the country, welfare state, etc.
If there's anything I firmly agree with far lefists on it's that liberals spend way too much time obsessing with weird appeals to emotion and identity. Bush certainly wasn't a narcissist like Trump, and he had one of the most diverse cabinets in modern history....and he was still a historically terrible president, surrounding by dangerous people (of all colors). How about we chill on the historical revision of him being a good guy we miss. I'll take Trump over Bush any day of the week.