How is that anything like my situation, of a 32" TV from 12 feet?
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I returned a game because of the font size
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Not really related, but man Scamco's janky subtitles for Plan to Eradicate The Super Saiyans still bugs me to this day:
Centred to the left, and positioned in such a way where the video player options block the subtitles. Fantastic. There is no English dub on it either, simply the Japanese audio. The problem is it appears they use the game's subtitle placement for an animated feature, and that shit just don't fly. Supposedly they used the same subtitle style for Episode of Bardock on DBZ for Kinect.
Centred to the left, and positioned in such a way where the video player options block the subtitles. Fantastic. There is no English dub on it either, simply the Japanese audio. The problem is it appears they use the game's subtitle placement for an animated feature, and that shit just don't fly. Supposedly they used the same subtitle style for Episode of Bardock on DBZ for Kinect.
CambriaRising
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What? No. As resolutions go higher, font will get smaller in some cases because more pixels will be on screen.
To Far Away Times
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Part of the problem is that the particular font in the OP wasn't designed with ease of readability in mind. Had the developers chosen a more legible font, it would help a bit.
Mr. Enigma
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You deserve whatever bad experience you get for doing this.
Deified Data
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Whoa, what? People do this? It's such a small part of Dishonored.
I had no issues with Dishonored's font size, and I wear glasses. Might depend on how far away you sit from the TV.
Femmeworth
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The programming wouldn't necessarily be complicated, Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo would just have to make developers comply. Also more resources would have to be dedicated to the OS.I would welcome this greatly. Won't happen though
Seems it would easy, but idk, it's probably hard to program or something. And it messes with loc translations.
And it's true, I never have problems reading blu-ray subtitles.
DonMigs85
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What's your eyesight OP?
My friend recently got glasses and it was like a whole new world for him. He started replaying movies and games and it all felt almost like totally new experiences with the much improved clarity. He never knew what he was missing.
And again, 12 feet from a 32 inch set really is too far.
My friend recently got glasses and it was like a whole new world for him. He started replaying movies and games and it all felt almost like totally new experiences with the much improved clarity. He never knew what he was missing.
And again, 12 feet from a 32 inch set really is too far.
davidsaurus
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QFT, I spent quite a few years convincing myself that it was normal to not be able to read text from relatively far away then I got glasses and realized I was a fool.
Of course it depends.
As for text, it's obvious the game wants me to read this text, and all the text prompts on interactive are completely illegible.
that1dude24
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i personally love it. i hate fonts taking up loads of screen real estate.
i've got good eyesight with correction, and i definitely don't sit as far from the screen as the op, ratios accounted for.
i've got good eyesight with correction, and i definitely don't sit as far from the screen as the op, ratios accounted for.
Yeah I gotta agree. I game on a 27" set and I don't sit more that 4 feet away from it. I really couldn't imagine sitting further away.
Mr. Enigma
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This is nothing. I remember the horror of playing Dead Rising on launch day in 2006 on my old tube TV.
DonMigs85
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I expect subtitle text comparable to blu-ray subtitle text.
Emerson
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Which is pretty much exactly what the first picture looks like. Seriously if you can't read that you're sitting too far away.
The second picture is a bit smaller but the lack of contrast is the real culprit.
You'd literally need superhuman eyesight to read that size text at 12 feet.
I guess when many games are made, they are made with high quality large PC screens and everything is composed with that in mind.
I think your complaint is a valid one, we expect games to have subtitles for hard of hearing players, but there will be plenty of people here whose vision isn't actually good enough to read small text on a 46" TV that is 8 feet away.
This!
brochiller
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Damn I remember trying to play the original Mass Effect on a 20'' sdtv. Nigh fucking impossible.
DonMigs85
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Perhaps, but it may not always fit the game's designated text box or something.
DonMigs85
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More screen real estate to take advantage of. The text and icons in Windows, OS X, etc also look smaller the higher your resolution gets, unless you fiddle with DPI settings or something (which can mess up the look of some apps and websites).
It's one of those things that is really common in PC land in general. Have you see what happens when you turn up the font size to 150% in Vista/7?
It becomes far more practical on a 1080p 15" screen but loads of badly made program's totally break thanks to UIs going all weird.
Don'y try to play XCOM. Or Sleeping Dogs, you'll lose your shit.
I agree, great to have for accessibility too.
Mr. Enigma
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It was my first playthrough too.
Got it for my birthday, found out we were going to France the next day for two weeks. Took my gamecube and gba TV tuner with me to play in the chalet we stayed in.
I finished the game, not knowing what the hell anyone said.
thehypocrite
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Even though it doesn't affect me, but there's no reason why the end user can adjust the font sizes in games. Step you game up developers.
starchild excalibur
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Did I miss the part where the OP said why he couldn't just move his couch or TV closer? I'm not being facetious - I'm really wondering why that isn't a solution here.
32" at 12 feet is way too far away. It's not like the issue that early adopters had this gen where they were playing HD games on SD TVs. The issue here is really just that your couch is well beyond the recommended viewing distance. The other games may look fine to you, but I'd venture a guess that it's because you're used to it and not because you're not still outside the recommended viewing distance.
32" at 12 feet is way too far away. It's not like the issue that early adopters had this gen where they were playing HD games on SD TVs. The issue here is really just that your couch is well beyond the recommended viewing distance. The other games may look fine to you, but I'd venture a guess that it's because you're used to it and not because you're not still outside the recommended viewing distance.
The font size in Dishonored is a little too small for my tastes, but I can read it. But a 32 inch TV from 12 feet is not remotely the right distance for viewing in my opinion. Contrary to what you would think with HD displays you should actually sit closer.
DonMigs85
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Listen to this man, the tinier pixels mean the up-close viewing is better compared to SD sets.
To sit 12 feet away from a TV that small is just... absurd. You're sitting the length of more than two average humans away from it. It's no wonder it can't be easily read.
I can't and won't move my furniture.
If I move the couch forward it blocks the door and is weird in general... and it would only be for this particular game. I appreciate there's a balance, but in this instance I'm unwilling to be so accommodating.
In present circumstances, moving the couch and replacing the TV are a large disruption to the other people I live with, as well as myself.
There are other entertainment products in the world.
If I move the couch forward it blocks the door and is weird in general... and it would only be for this particular game. I appreciate there's a balance, but in this instance I'm unwilling to be so accommodating.
In present circumstances, moving the couch and replacing the TV are a large disruption to the other people I live with, as well as myself.
There are other entertainment products in the world.
Ace Harding
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I am a bit outside the recommended range for my 40" LCD - probably something like 11 feet. I have decent vision (when corrected), so I don't usually have problems with this, but really just noticed it in XCom. I realized I was leaning way forward and squinting a lot. Now I sit in a chair about 5 feet away. My wife tells me I'm killing my eyes sitting "so close," I argue we just need to buy a bigger TV.
But yeah, adjustable text size would be great for when viewing conditions aren't optimal and are hard to change. Or for people with poor vision.
But yeah, adjustable text size would be great for when viewing conditions aren't optimal and are hard to change. Or for people with poor vision.
DonMigs85
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I think for Banjo Nuts and Bolts too, but only on SD sets.
If it's a 40" TV, then 5 feet is the minimum recommended distance away. Pull your chair back slightly if possible and you're good. Hardly hurting your eyes (any worse than staring at electronics would usually be...)
Yeah both of these were more because they looked absolutely awful in Standard Definition. Lots of games are rather bad about SDTVs. Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon come to mind.