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Insomniac Chief Creative Officer Brian Hastings speaks out on the PS3
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I cannot believe there are people who actually believe the PS3 is dead in the water right now. :lolEteric Rice said:
You are predicting doom for a console that has been out for 6 months, and is not lacking a single feature necessary to compete in the next gen war of the next 5 years.
You've got to be kidding me.
abacab driver
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Brian must want some attention. :lol
That was very well written, and made some good points. That said, he's still wrong. I don't see any miraculous turnarounds because PS3 will always cost significantly more than the competition - slowing adoption and thus, developer support.
That said, why yes, PS3 is a remarkable machine and it'll be great to have for those PS3 exclusives and Blu-ray movies.
I also agree with him about the Wii, and applaud him for stating his thoughts so bluntly.
Good read.
That said, why yes, PS3 is a remarkable machine and it'll be great to have for those PS3 exclusives and Blu-ray movies.
I also agree with him about the Wii, and applaud him for stating his thoughts so bluntly.
Good read.
Eteric Rice
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RavenFox said:
... :lol
I didn't say it was dead. I just said that if they don't get their shit together, it won't do so well.
Segata Sanshiro
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theBishop said:
THERE HE IS!
WasabiKing
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as soon as you stop saying WOW in every topicWario64 said:
Eteric Rice
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theBishop said:
They seem to be on the ball this time. Halo 3, Gears of War, Blue Dragon, Lost Oddesy. I'm all hyped up for those. The industry needs some new blood.
M3Freak
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rs7k said:
Yeah, it's gotten pretty bad. There is a lot of Sony hating, even when you have games like R:Fom or Motorstorm punching you in the gut with their awesomeness.
As for the blog, I agree with what he's said.
The "Wii is a fad statement": if it walks like duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck. That's not to say the Wii won't be popular after the fad is over - it still will be. But, it won't be at insanity level like it is now.
HDMI is important. I'd be super ass pissed if I bought a $6000 HDTV and the PS3 didn't support the best video connection technology avaialble. Hell, If I bought a $2000 HDTV and didn't have HDMI I would be pissed.
BD for games is necessary because it gives the dev room. Just like you can never have enough RAM, you can never have enough storage. Not having to worry about filling the disk will affect how games are developed for the PS3.
Home is going to be awesome. People deriding it haven't considered everything. Hell, it would be usefull for the GAF Resistance clan RIGHT NOW. For example, a bunch of us were playing Motorstorm one day. We started talking about wanting to play Resistance, and so some said we'd meet up online and get some games in. But, some of us were confused or weren't sure if people were really going to play, so it never happened. If we could have met in Home, discussed what to do, and then launched Resistance, we all could have seamlessly gone from playing one game to another - THAT'S FOOKING CONVENIENT AS HELL. Home is going to rock.
Anyway, I'm loving my PS3. Give me more games like Resistance, and it's going to stomp all over the competition, including the PS2.
Buffy4ever
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Eteric Rice said:
don;t forget that the Wii and PC use DVD also. Sony PS3 is the only one with blu-Ray everyone else use DVD. The only thing that going to help the PS3 right now is if the price come down. Insomniac sound like a PR man.
How is the Wii a fad when its content is continually changing...he compared the Wii to things that don't change in what they give you...thats just silly. A tickle-me-Elmo Doll will always be a Tickle-me-Elmo Doll. If the wii delivers new games it won't matter. I guess the ipod is a fad, I'm not an apple fan but I can see that as being false as year after year apple delivers something new to their machine even if it is inferior to other out there.
BruceLeeRoy
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Wow really interesting read very well written.
I enjoyed the whole article. And I think Playstation definitely has the potential to come out on top again if they keep the steam up from GDC.
I enjoyed the whole article. And I think Playstation definitely has the potential to come out on top again if they keep the steam up from GDC.
Beer Monkey
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theBishop said:
How can they help it if you have poor taste and skipped Panzer Dragoon, Top Spin, JSRF, Stranger's Wrath, Rallisport 2, and Crimson Skies? And if you liked playing Beyond Good & Evil and Psychonauts on your PC, that's your prerogative, but most people would rather play such games on consoles.
Personally I'm glad I wasn't limited to any one console last gen, but if you are going to limit yourself to one, at least buy the best games, man.
That's actually a great list, I agree with most of them, I especially agree with HDD standard (not to mention replaceable) and 50GB games. The PS3 has done a better job at impressing me than the 360 has, hardware wise.
1. LBP and Home will be huge, LBP is my most anticipated game ever, it alone makes me want a PS3.
2. Since MS ****ed my XBL Gold up, I'm not paying again, free online is quite nice.
3. 50GB games, QFT!!! Look at any torrent site for 360 games, they're 6.5-7GB already and the limit is 7.5GB! I don't care about Blu-Ray for movies, but for games it will be invaluable in the coming years.
4. Blu-Ray has pretty much beaten HD DVD already.
5. HDMI support is quite nice, but shipping with composite is stupid, Sony should've copied MS and included component/composite cables with every system. Not to mention they still need to fix those scaling issues (unless they did?)
6. *looks at avatar* Goddamn, the Core pack will go down in history as the worst decision for this gen. Absolutely stupid and ass-backwards marketing decision from some monkey at MS. It'd be as stupid as if Nintendo launched the GCN with only 2 controller ports, but that doesn't gimp games like a non-standard HDD does.
7. Wii hype will die down, but I still think the system is nuts, the big N can't afford to screw up the Wii.
8. PS3 wins in the CPU, 360 wins in the GPU, old news.
9. PS2's sales are nuts, no argument here.
10. Something for everyone indeed, MS doesn't have a broad enough appeal and a couple crummy games in each category doesn't count. Viva can't do all the work alone. Having 3rd party licensed kiddie crap is not an advantage MS should brag about.
1. LBP and Home will be huge, LBP is my most anticipated game ever, it alone makes me want a PS3.
2. Since MS ****ed my XBL Gold up, I'm not paying again, free online is quite nice.
3. 50GB games, QFT!!! Look at any torrent site for 360 games, they're 6.5-7GB already and the limit is 7.5GB! I don't care about Blu-Ray for movies, but for games it will be invaluable in the coming years.
4. Blu-Ray has pretty much beaten HD DVD already.
5. HDMI support is quite nice, but shipping with composite is stupid, Sony should've copied MS and included component/composite cables with every system. Not to mention they still need to fix those scaling issues (unless they did?)
6. *looks at avatar* Goddamn, the Core pack will go down in history as the worst decision for this gen. Absolutely stupid and ass-backwards marketing decision from some monkey at MS. It'd be as stupid as if Nintendo launched the GCN with only 2 controller ports, but that doesn't gimp games like a non-standard HDD does.
7. Wii hype will die down, but I still think the system is nuts, the big N can't afford to screw up the Wii.
8. PS3 wins in the CPU, 360 wins in the GPU, old news.
9. PS2's sales are nuts, no argument here.
10. Something for everyone indeed, MS doesn't have a broad enough appeal and a couple crummy games in each category doesn't count. Viva can't do all the work alone. Having 3rd party licensed kiddie crap is not an advantage MS should brag about.
plagiarize
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while i'm a home skeptic, i don't put negative spin on the thing. it aint my cup of tea, but it's free and it's not being forced on me so i don't care, but the situation you described has played out numerous times with me and my friends on xbox live, and it was arguably more convenient, as we just went straight from one game to the next without going back into a home style lobby in between.M3Freak said:
home is pie in the sky, new internet thinking, and i don't doubt that a lot of people are going to embrace it... i just don't know what percentage of the userbase are going to embrace it, or how many of those are going to find it a feature that in and of itself adds value to the system.
for me, i like a lot of the functionality of Home, but it's an interface i don't want to use. i like the idea of streaming videos off of my harddrive, but i'd rather just press a button in a menu to do it than controlling a virtual avatar around an environment to do it.
Sony are promising that those kind of features will be available outside of home which makes me and many others happy because if you aren't interested in the whole virtual avatar/apartment thing Home is just an awkward interface.
Jirotrom said:
See, he's making a bet concerning the outcome of a system that he's heavily invested in. Tends to sway one's opinion and you might not want to put too much stock in his opinion as a result. Are some of his points valid? Sure. But plenty of them are only hopeful speculation. - things they way he thinks (and wants) them to occur.
I'm sure Sony's PS3 is going to do just fine. I'll pick one up when the library has expanded and the price deflated. I'm sure plenty of other people will too.
a Master Ninja
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I don't get who Brian Hastings is writing this "for". What is his motivation?
Is this to reassure his company/employees/investors that going PS3 exclusive is a sound business decision? Is this to reassure Insomniac fans that they won't regret buying a PS3? Is this just another developer mad at game journalism?
Is this to reassure his company/employees/investors that going PS3 exclusive is a sound business decision? Is this to reassure Insomniac fans that they won't regret buying a PS3? Is this just another developer mad at game journalism?
beermonkey@tehbias said:How can they help it if you have poor taste and skipped Panzer Dragoon, Top Spin, JSRF, Stranger's Wrath, Rallisport 2, and Crimson Skies? And if you liked playing Beyond Good & Evil and Psychonauts on your PC, that's your prerogative, but most people would rather play such games on consoles.
Personally I'm glad I wasn't limited to any one console last gen, but if you are going to limit yourself to one, at least buy the best games, man.
I rented them
frankthurk
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Jirotrom said:
I'm not trying to defend here, I don't necessarily share the view, but I think the wiimote and how it is used is the bit that is being considered a fad and that doesn't change. It's a cool new way to control things, and I'm sure new games will slightly modify how it is used but the initial wow is just using the wiimote for the first time.
No one is coming right out and saying those words, but they're certainly saying things very close to it. Some Xbots seem nearly drunken with confidence right now, to the point where they're tiptoeing right up to that line of saying such things with a straight face. I think everyone needs to just cool down a bit right now, and realize this is still so early in this console war that it's ridiculous for anyone to act sure about the long term prognosis for either system.Oblivion said:
Also, this entire thread was started about an article written about the PS3, and it's long term plan for success. So yes, we all know the PS3 didn't have great first 6 months at market, but that doesn't mean anything argued in the original Insomniac blog post is any less true.
plagiarize
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that wouldn't make it a fad either though.frankthurk said:
if people still like something after the initial wow has faded, it isn't a fad. if it was, you could argue that, say, analogue sticks are a fad.
the blog post is no better than the posts here though, nor does it come from a better opinion. he isn't a market analyst. he doesn't decide which system his company makes games for. he's just someone shooting from the hip on these things like the rest of us.Emowii said:
he's making long term prognosises longer than most anyone here is... and there are things in his post that are factually wrong, and other things which are highly debatable.
even then, those things don't guarantee Sony success. they are just factors that might contribute to it. heck, we'll probably never be able to pin it down to a list of factors like this, should the PS3 come out on top.
He's writing it for the same reason fanboys post their manifestos on internet message boards: To make himself feel better about his lot in life. Which at this point involves having committed his company to a platform holder with a fairly inept management team that can't seem to stop tripping over itself, and a console that looks going to be locked into a minority position indefinitely.a Master Ninja said:
Go ahead and have yourself a nice cry Insomniac, you'll feel much better afterwards.
frankthurk said:
The use of the Wii mote will only get better and better as the years go on. Developers will find better and more creative ways to use the Wiimote. While the 360 and PS3 produce the same old games with better graphics the Wii will be the only one to have unique gaming experiences. I have a 360 but I can see the Wii having big time staying power. I just wish I could find one I went to look againt today no luck as usual.
Sho_Nuff82
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Anyone want to make a bet that Guitar Hero 2 will outsell every E-T rated game on PS3 in North America in the April NPD? Thus nullifying the "360 fans only buy M-rated games" nonsense that has already been proven wrong by Call of Duty, Fight Night, Madden, DOA4, Need for Speed, etc? I'd even go so far as to say Forza 2 will outsell MotorStorm and F1's LTD combined when it releases in May.
frankthurk
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plagiarize said:
I don't remember picking up analog sticks for the first time and going, 'wow this is a cool new way to control things'... actually my first impressions were more along the lines of 'woah this kinda blows for precise or fast control, back to k&m please'.
I don't think a lot of people played games just for the novelty of controlling with the analogue sticks, but I think they have with the wiimote. Like I said though I'm not sure if it's a 'fad' or not, but if you're going to call it a fad I think how it controls is the thing that could qualify. Of course the games will change like any console, the fact that you swing or point the control (which is what catches a lot of peoples attention at first sight) will not.
Oblivion said:
It broke records in Europe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6499841.stm
< More than a million consoles were shipped across Europe on launch day last week with 600,000 sold. >
< http://gameover.sapo.pt/article.html?id=32258
Belgium sold 80% of their PS3 54.000 units
Portugal sold 90% of their PS3 >
etc.
squatingyeti
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Is it our fault you couldn't do texture streaming? Oh yeah, the great BD streaming was the problem. The high-definition mpegs were a total waste. You took still shots and used more space to make them into mpegs.
Will we? Let's talk about the available RAM. You can only do what the available RAM can handle. Since when did the PS3 have the advantage of available RAM? He wants to talk about how the GPU for 360 is "slightly" better, but doesn't expand on how the GPU hasn't been fully taken advantage of with unified architecture and eDRAM. On the other hand, he graciously points out how the Cell hasn't been taken advantage of yet which will lead to big differences. Slanted view to say the least by ignoring one component in your competitors system that hasn't really been taken advantage of and talking about a component in your system (and I say your because the PS3 IS Insomniac's system).
Sho_Nuff82
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frankthurk said:
My god man, Super Mario 64?
Projectjustice
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I love my 360 and its superior GPU.
Imperial Hot
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Did anyone expect the CCO of Insomniac to say anything different from this?
M3Freak said:
So is "Fad" what they're calling it now? People called the DS the same thing, only used the word "Gimmick."
He has a point that there's a lot of people buying the system that won't buy games, but the same can be said for the PS2. When you make a casual friendly system, a lot of system will end up on a shelf unused. It doesn't mean there aren't people using it.
devilscallmedad
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This article is in extreme poor taste, my respect for insomniac just hit a nose dive i'd still buy the next rachet & clank but i doubt i can ever enjoy it the same way i used to when knowing its from developers who'd sell their soul to get money/approval from their masters.
What's more the blog post reeks of dissing other platforms, i could see fanboys portraying their systems as a champion but a person who owns all three i can't imagine how anyone can even in their wildest dreams claim that the money i paid for 360/wii is not worth it and how as a gamer you can actually justify not a buying a 360 is beyond me, its like you completely ignore the good features of all other consoles and make them seem like a piece of sh*t? you even mentioned things as small as "casino royale" and "hdd" but where was the mention that 360 has the best line up of games while the ps3 lies in a game drought? where is our free view from an honest guy? are you applying at some PR job at SONY was this a test run? I have seen first-party studios trying to do PR but none has been a bigger suck up then you.
Sorry Insomniac you just lost my respect.
What's more the blog post reeks of dissing other platforms, i could see fanboys portraying their systems as a champion but a person who owns all three i can't imagine how anyone can even in their wildest dreams claim that the money i paid for 360/wii is not worth it and how as a gamer you can actually justify not a buying a 360 is beyond me, its like you completely ignore the good features of all other consoles and make them seem like a piece of sh*t? you even mentioned things as small as "casino royale" and "hdd" but where was the mention that 360 has the best line up of games while the ps3 lies in a game drought? where is our free view from an honest guy? are you applying at some PR job at SONY was this a test run? I have seen first-party studios trying to do PR but none has been a bigger suck up then you.
Sorry Insomniac you just lost my respect.
Manmademan
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ROFL said:
for a launch outside of the Xmas season, that's pretty damn impressive
squatingyeti
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wow, half my post disappeared which sucks. now I gotta go through it all again.
I'm glad he KNOWS how much MS spends on viral marketing. Maybe he could also tell us how much Sony spends? How about what amount of what he says MS spends is specifically on games. All I know is I've yet to see an "alliwantforxmasisa360".
I drive a Saab, which means I put Premium grade gas in my car. Costs an extra .20 a gallon, but I get better performance and better average gas mileage than other V6 w/turbos. Pay for what you get is just one of the ideas above. Also, if anyone has paid $70 for a sign up and $50 for renewals to XLive, I must question your intelligence. You also must have spent $50 for a mic to play on the PSN.