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Intel Sandy Bridge-E (LGA2011 and X79) Launching 14/11 - Enthusiast Level CPU's
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This is SB-E socket 2011, a very high end enthusiast platform. It's the same chip you have except there is a $600 model with 6 cores.Kadey said:
Ivy Bridge is the CPU upgrade going from 32nm to 22nm and adding tri-gate 3D transistors.
Ivy Bridge should be compatible with your motherboard which is socket 1155.
Doubt it will get better than the MC deal. Yes the 2500K is the best currently all around CPU on the market. Make sure you get a P67 or Z68 motherboard.demolitio said:I need to find the boneyard for "old" parts of people who upgrade all the time. Surely there's going to be a lot of CPU's and GPU's on ebay but I can never convince myself to trust buying used parts on there. Do you guys sell your old shit on ebay or craigslist/locally? I always wondered...lol
As long as the i5 2500k has a long lifepsan, then I guess that's what I'll go for at Christmas and wait on the GPU I guess. These new CPU's just don't seem worth the money though but I guess that's relative to the person.
Will there be better deals for parts in general on Black Friday or is it something you don't see big sales on often? I'm wondering if I should just jump on the Microcenter deal now since I can get my "gift" early this year.
Edit: And I'm taking a guess the i5 beats out the 6-core AMD CPU's too? God I want to make sure I get this right since it's my only shot, lol.
Computer hardware sales are largely done on internet forums.
Thanks man. Of the two motherboards, would you suggest the Z68 I take it? I'm trying to decide which is worth the price right now.Hazaro said:
Sorry for all the questions.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371775
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364087
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0366193
Performance is the same, Z68 has 2 extra features, onboard video out from CPU and Intel SRT for an SSD cache to your HDD.demolitio said:
Price should be roughly the same. Any more posts, take it to the PC Thread since it isn't SB-E.
Not compatible.Theonik said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Ivy_Bridge
Can you spend $900 on CPU+mobo+RAM alone?Hylian7 said:
bodyboarder
Member
Hylian7 said:
If your having to ask the question, then this isn't for you. Get the i5 now, and Ivy bridge down the road would be my suggestion.
Anyway back on topic. Love these new chips, pity I couldn't justify the purchase.
ElectricBlue187
Member
So what is the advantage of LGA2011? Is it just for the extreme line or performance processors and LGA11xx and LGA13xx are standard going forward for Ivy Bridge? Will LGA2011 continue to be used for that purpose?
dr_rus
Member
LGA1366 is dead, LGA2011 is what comes to it's place. Ivy Bridge will probably get to LGA2011 too in the form of IB-E. LGA1155 is for 4-cores with GPUs. LGA2011 is for 6-cores without GPU. Main benefits of LGA2011 are quad channel memory and more cores. Both are practically pointless for games at the moment.ElectricBlue187 said:
I myself will probably still get an LGA2011 motherboard -- once I know Intel's plan on supporting this socket beyond SB-Es. Just because I don't like to buy stuff that I don't need (pointless GPU inside the CPU).
Sigh... maybe my tax refund next year could go to this... Or hopefully IB is earlier and I won't have to be tempted and my 2500k can hold on till then. Right now at 4.5GHz it isn't fast enough to maintain 60 FPS in my most common usage scenarios:
HON or dota2 + streaming at 720p
wow + streaming at 720p60fps or 1080p30
HON+dota2+wow all running at the same time in borderless windows for chatting purposes. Skype call ongoing simultaneous with mumble for GAF friends. +VM for work
By next year's time I imagine adding Diablo3 to my list of always-on programs PC-gamer first-world problems indeed
HON or dota2 + streaming at 720p
wow + streaming at 720p60fps or 1080p30
HON+dota2+wow all running at the same time in borderless windows for chatting purposes. Skype call ongoing simultaneous with mumble for GAF friends. +VM for work
By next year's time I imagine adding Diablo3 to my list of always-on programs
PC-gamer first-world problems indeedHazaro said:
Yeah... Think I'll just go for a 2600k. My girlfriend's friend who works in Intel's R&D says that Ivy Bridge is not much of an improvement over Sandy Bridge. What they really worked on with Ivy Bridge was video processing capabilties ehich is useless to every gamer since they'll have a dedicated video card.
Well, anyway, looking forward to the 60+ percent discounts on mobos and CPU.
demosthenes
Member
Hmm, when did they start separating the RAM slots? This help w/ heat?
TheContact
Member
The future looks fast.
Man those motherboards are so damn sexy. Can't wait to see how the Ivy Bridge ones look though
And I love seeing all those ram slots. I was planning on going for 16GB for my next build, but if the motherboard I end up getting has 8 slots that makes it easy to jump to 32GB if ram prices stay stupid low.
And I love seeing all those ram slots. I was planning on going for 16GB for my next build, but if the motherboard I end up getting has 8 slots that makes it easy to jump to 32GB if ram prices stay stupid low.
This is probably a big waste of money if you already have a Sandy Bridge class processor. The additional cores are meaningless for gaming.
With Ivy Bridge coming around the corner, you'd be throwing your money away. Did I also mention that Haswell also uses a completely new chipset/socket, so your upgrade is rendered meaningless in a year?
Sure if you're a design studio and you're crunching away 3d renders this is probably beast. But you probably already have a real rack of Xeons doing the job anyway.
With Ivy Bridge coming around the corner, you'd be throwing your money away. Did I also mention that Haswell also uses a completely new chipset/socket, so your upgrade is rendered meaningless in a year?
Sure if you're a design studio and you're crunching away 3d renders this is probably beast. But you probably already have a real rack of Xeons doing the job anyway.
cartman414
Member
Soi-Fong said:
Can you ask her if hyper-threading will migrate downwards to the i5 quad cores when Haswell comes, and if hexa-core cpus may debut in the mainstream/performance sector (i. e. represented by the 1155 i7s) within that generation? Just curious.
That Ivy Bridge though is going to do wonders for getting more power into smaller form laptops. And Haswell even more so. Might have to put off getting a new laptop for another year in case they can get some quad-core Macbook Air-thickness action going by then.
dr_rus
Member
Nothing will happen with your SB-E in a year. Haswell is a 1Q 2013 product and that's only for LGA1150 (4 cores max again). Haswell-E will come in the end of 2013 so by going with SB-E now you're getting the top of the crop for almost two years. Plus you really don't have to upgrade to every new socket. I'm still using Q9550 in socket 775 and I've bought this platform in the end of 2008. Only now I'm seeing enough reasons for an upgrade, I competely skipped all Nehalem/Westmere generation.redpriest said:
ColonialRaptor
Member
http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/160820.htm
An early Chinese look at the 3960K, looks like a beefcake power station! WOW look at those results! More than 50% faster than a 2600K in some tests!!
Look at the layout of the 3960K... looks like the rumors of it being a neutered Xeon 8 Core is true.
ALSO, I would like to apologise for my mistake about the 3D Transistors being in this model, they won't become available until the 22nm process which comes with Ivy Bridge which is the next time around.
Also, as Hazaro has been saying if you have a 4 figure processor like i7-2500K or a i7-2600, anything in the second generation of the i7 family line of processors, you probably won't need to upgrade at this stage.
I'm currently running an i7-860 so I'm sure this is going to be a big upgrade for me, and my current motherboard is also ready for the bin, so this will be a decent upgrade for me.
I will be upgrading again when the Enthusiast Ivy Bridge parts become available, but that won't be until the end of 2013 and the way I see it, there are ALWAYS new parts on the horizon and if you wait for them every time you never buy and never get to experience the fun of upgrade.
I am a computer enthusiast, I get pleasure out of upgrading, benchmarking, overclocking, therefore, this processor is for me - too many people are making me feel bad about spending so much money on what seems like a 'pointless' upgrade...
An early Chinese look at the 3960K, looks like a beefcake power station! WOW look at those results! More than 50% faster than a 2600K in some tests!!
Look at the layout of the 3960K... looks like the rumors of it being a neutered Xeon 8 Core is true.
ALSO, I would like to apologise for my mistake about the 3D Transistors being in this model, they won't become available until the 22nm process which comes with Ivy Bridge which is the next time around.
Also, as Hazaro has been saying if you have a 4 figure processor like i7-2500K or a i7-2600, anything in the second generation of the i7 family line of processors, you probably won't need to upgrade at this stage.
I'm currently running an i7-860 so I'm sure this is going to be a big upgrade for me, and my current motherboard is also ready for the bin, so this will be a decent upgrade for me.
I will be upgrading again when the Enthusiast Ivy Bridge parts become available, but that won't be until the end of 2013 and the way I see it, there are ALWAYS new parts on the horizon and if you wait for them every time you never buy and never get to experience the fun of upgrade.
I am a computer enthusiast, I get pleasure out of upgrading, benchmarking, overclocking, therefore, this processor is for me - too many people are making me feel bad about spending so much money on what seems like a 'pointless' upgrade...
To those that are waiting for Ivy Bridge, I wouldn't expect much more than Sandy. Intel is primarily shrinking to 22 nm, and doing something with tri-gate transitors. They're targeting a 20% speed increase, but much of that may simply be due to higher clock rates at stock. There's a reason why Sandy can OC so easily to 4.5 GHz if cooled well enough, and 22 nm allows things to run cooler with normal cooling. In terms of performance you can basically get Ivy by overclocking with a good heatsink.
The next big jump is likely Haswell in early 2013.
The next big jump is likely Haswell in early 2013.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
This has already been reported elsewhere, IB is primarily a big GPU upgrade+die shrink, very small improvements on the CPU side. Not really any reason not to upgrade to SB now.Soi-Fong said:
Anandtech estimated clock for clock performance improving about 5%. Not really a big jump, and since both SB and IB should OC well that's a more accurate measurement. 20%, if that ends up being true, is probably just based on stock clocks.
chaosblade said:
Yep. Especially considering all of the issues have been worked out with Sandy. You can get a mobo, RAM, and OC it for cheap and be fairly sure it will work. With Ivy you may have to mess with compatibility for a month or so and deal with supply issues.
Your issue is probably HDD/memory related, not CPU.kagete said:Sigh... maybe my tax refund next year could go to this... Or hopefully IB is earlier and I won't have to be tempted and my 2500k can hold on till then. Right now at 4.5GHz it isn't fast enough to maintain 60 FPS in my most common usage scenarios:
HON or dota2 + streaming at 720p
wow + streaming at 720p60fps or 1080p30
HON+dota2+wow all running at the same time in borderless windows for chatting purposes. Skype call ongoing simultaneous with mumble for GAF friends. +VM for work
By next year's time I imagine adding Diablo3 to my list of always-on programs
ColonialRaptor
Member
I compiled the benches...
Those guys are fools, they didn't test the CPU in games properly by moving to a point where the GPU could be CPU limited... running the games at 1680x1050? Seriously? No wonder there is no difference... they're basically running at the same clock speed, of course there is going to be no difference at that resolution.
Honestly, there probably won't be that much difference in games anyway, unless you can overclock it higher, or games become more multi-threaded.
Those guys are fools, they didn't test the CPU in games properly by moving to a point where the GPU could be CPU limited... running the games at 1680x1050? Seriously? No wonder there is no difference... they're basically running at the same clock speed, of course there is going to be no difference at that resolution.
Honestly, there probably won't be that much difference in games anyway, unless you can overclock it higher, or games become more multi-threaded.
The only way you could bottleneck a 2500K/2600K is in a Tri/Quad SLI/X-fire setup right now. Even looking for performance increases in a 2500 resolution is niche of a niche category.
The only game that I could see huge benefits for is possibly Civ V, as that is entirely multi-threaded. Thing runs smoother on my friend's 980X + 5850 than my 2500K @ 5.0 Ghz and SLI 560tis.
*edit*
Actually, how you remove a GPU from a gaming benchmark for CPU is set the graphics to an absolute minimum to remove the GPU bottleneck. Increasing the resolution would bring the benches closer together, as the only thing limited at that point would be GPU. CPU would have little effect when the GPU is brought to it's knees.
They run games at 640x480 with everything turned off to test out CPUs.
The only game that I could see huge benefits for is possibly Civ V, as that is entirely multi-threaded. Thing runs smoother on my friend's 980X + 5850 than my 2500K @ 5.0 Ghz and SLI 560tis.
*edit*
Actually, how you remove a GPU from a gaming benchmark for CPU is set the graphics to an absolute minimum to remove the GPU bottleneck. Increasing the resolution would bring the benches closer together, as the only thing limited at that point would be GPU. CPU would have little effect when the GPU is brought to it's knees.
HardOCP said:
They run games at 640x480 with everything turned off to test out CPUs.
ColonialRaptor
Member
mkenyon said:
Heh, you're right... sorry I got it the wrong way around... DOH!
I'm got a TriFire setup so I'm hoping that this baby is going to help me out here because I am CPU limited with my current setup.
facepalm007
Member
Here's Sapphire's X79 motherboard:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-shows-off-its-x79-pure-black-motherboard/13874.html
Sapphire X79 Pure Black:
It's still weird seeing the words "Sapphire" and "motherboard" in the same sentence.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-shows-off-its-x79-pure-black-motherboard/13874.html
Sapphire X79 Pure Black:
It's still weird seeing the words "Sapphire" and "motherboard" in the same sentence.
facepalm007 said:Here's Sapphire's X79 motherboard:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-shows-off-its-x79-pure-black-motherboard/13874.html
Sapphire X79 Pure Black:
It's still weird seeing the words "Sapphire" and "motherboard" in the same sentence.
I assumed you named the wrong company until I saw the logo on the board.
Zombie James
Banned
Thing is a beast.
ColonialRaptor
Member
mkenyon said:
Got an i7-860 that doesn't overclock well, running with a 6990 and a 6970 and I game at 2560x1440.
I also do a lot of various other design and creation work at very high resolutions, video editing, 3D mastering, and texture / graphics design. I have 16Gb of RAM but it is no way near enough, I upgraded from 8 to 16 because 8 was like having nothing and I though okay yes 16 Gig of RAM should be enough right? But on the heavy tasks that I perform it still cooks itself at those high RAM levels.
So the Gigabyte UD5 with the 2x4 RAM Channels is for me. I'd love to go up to 64Gb, but I think doubling what I've got now to 32Gb should hopefully do the trick for me, with the processor speed improvement I will hopefully be getting from the LGA2011 upgrade.
Zombie James said:
I is in love.
Unknown Soldier
Member
redpriest said:
Compared to Bulldozer, it sips power. :3
Pretty crazy power increase, I don't need a new pc anytime soon though. The one I have knocks almost everything I throw at it out of the park for gaming (mostly due to my 1680X1050 monitor) and I see no reason to change that. Not to mention that with "nexgen" gaming systems not out for another year or 2 at best , there won't even be software that'll push things much harder than today until after those are out.