crimsonspider89
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MoS going to lose money wise and going to be a worse movie.
Sorry, no faith in WB DC movies.
Sorry, no faith in WB DC movies.
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Iron Man 3 vs Man of Steel, FIGHT!
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Sorry, love Wolvie but he and the X-Men doesn't have a chance until they can find their way out of Fox...which is probably never happening.
They didn't "promote the overuse" of anything but dipshits on the internet using it as a shorthand for knowing what they're talking about.
Lensflare's been around since cameras. It's been used as a stylistic choice by many directors since the 60s/70s. It didn't get turned into an internet meme until the late 2000s, by people whose knowledge of movies begins and ends with big-budget blockbusters less than 10 years old, who wanted credit for being some sort of dilettante know-it-all by dint of noticing something.
Its not a meme.
I mentioned resurgence because lens flares obviously have been used since the dawn of the camera. Abrams use - or rather overuse - seems like a conscious stylistic decision rather than an occasional touch. Most action directors have been jumping on the bandwagon, lately. Thats why I mentioned Abrams, but obviously the use of the flare predates him by several decades.
(in fact Star Trek into the darkness has toned down the use immensely, to a point where it feels tasteful - but grossly exaggerated in every man of steel media shown)
Think of how the audio cues of the BRRRR french horn from Inception has been copied in every action blockbuster trailer released in the last few years following Inception - when Hans Zimmer obviously didn't invent the french horn or the BRRR sound.
This man here prompted me to purchase ATV Wild Ride on the eShop. I have been eternally grateful ever since. He knows what's up.
MoS is going to be amazing. Wolverine looks pretty kick ass however.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, it is. You mention "resurgence" as if it had gone away in the first place. It hadn't. It's always a conscious stylish decision, just like rack-zooms & whip pans & desaturated color timing & crane shots & high contrast grainy film stock & so on and so on. There's no 'bandwagon' to jump on. it's being noticed more in the same way people notice blue cars on the freeway after having one pointed out to them. Its not like people are suddenly making more blue cars JUST as you started to notice it.
homelessbaby
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I keep reading that Warner Bros is very proud of MoS, so I'm hoping word of mouth is good and it has good staying power even if it doesn't hit as hard and fast as IM3, money-wise.
I liked IM3 more than 1 or 2 but the further I get away from it, the less outstanding it was. It was good, but not very good or even great. I knew this because as soon as I saw Fast 6 it was the best time I'd had in cinemas since Cloud Atlas, Stoker or Django.
MoS has the opportunity to be outstanding. It looks epic, as in it looks like it spans a lot of time and tries to do a lot of things. It's a Superman origin, which we haven't had in decades.
And it's Superman, for God's sake, it feels new and exciting just because of how recognisable it is and how much Marvel and Batman we've had since Returns.
I liked IM3 more than 1 or 2 but the further I get away from it, the less outstanding it was. It was good, but not very good or even great. I knew this because as soon as I saw Fast 6 it was the best time I'd had in cinemas since Cloud Atlas, Stoker or Django.
MoS has the opportunity to be outstanding. It looks epic, as in it looks like it spans a lot of time and tries to do a lot of things. It's a Superman origin, which we haven't had in decades.
And it's Superman, for God's sake, it feels new and exciting just because of how recognisable it is and how much Marvel and Batman we've had since Returns.
Rastafarian42
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Did he retire ? I loved his videos !
royalroyal
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sweetvar26
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Depends on how good the movie is and how well they market it.
Iron Man really appeals to the younger kids, with its funny moments and all. With Nolan, Goyer and Snyder behind Man Of Steel, I don't think it would be serious, if not as serious as the Dark Knight series.
Either way, hard to beat Iron Man 3 numbers. Stark already has the fan base from the other two movies and The Avengers.
Iron Man really appeals to the younger kids, with its funny moments and all. With Nolan, Goyer and Snyder behind Man Of Steel, I don't think it would be serious, if not as serious as the Dark Knight series.
Either way, hard to beat Iron Man 3 numbers. Stark already has the fan base from the other two movies and The Avengers.
In the sense that internet hyperbole has people thinking there's been a huge amount of Superman reboots as opposed to just two (Returns and MoS)? Potentially.
I think that as bad a taste Returns left in people's mouths, there are more than enough people who want a good Superman movie to make it a success. Nolan's name being attached will do enough to get people to give this a chance at least.
Unlike the Avengers vs TDKR last year, this is not a very fair match up.
A) Man of Steel isn't a sequel, and will not have the same level of built in hype.
B) Iron Man 3 has been out a month, so we already know it is heading for $1.2B+.
So no, Man of Steel is not surpassing Iron Man 3. Worlwide, only 4 films have ever made more than Iron Man 3. Breaking $1 billion is also very long shot. Only three films have broken the $1B mark without being direct sequels to smaller films: Titanic, Avatar, and Alice in Wonderland (which rode Avatar's 3D wave to $1B).
If the film is extremely well received, I could see upwards of $800M worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if the total is closer to $500-600M though.
A) Man of Steel isn't a sequel, and will not have the same level of built in hype.
B) Iron Man 3 has been out a month, so we already know it is heading for $1.2B+.
So no, Man of Steel is not surpassing Iron Man 3. Worlwide, only 4 films have ever made more than Iron Man 3. Breaking $1 billion is also very long shot. Only three films have broken the $1B mark without being direct sequels to smaller films: Titanic, Avatar, and Alice in Wonderland (which rode Avatar's 3D wave to $1B).
If the film is extremely well received, I could see upwards of $800M worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if the total is closer to $500-600M though.
SnakeSlashRO
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Too many fanboys in this thread.
I just hope Superman finally gets a decent movie.
I just hope Superman finally gets a decent movie.
SnakeSlashRO
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This is what I'm talking about.
Also doubt this will get DKR numbers, Superman is largely iconic but Batman seems to have always been more popular and marketable. Not holding my breath to see this get anywhere near the DKR
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I have little interest in Superman in general, and not a big fan of Snyder, and to keep going I thought the Dark Knight Rises was pretty bad, but I think Man of Steel looks like it good be quite good.
Grassclipper
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Man, fuck superman. Best thing he's done is being the inspiration for the Iron Giant.
Disclaimer: I'm drunk.
Disclaimer: I'm drunk.
Shamrock7r
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No way it beats IM3 at the box office. I think MoS will have a slightly better than Batman Begins like performance. Once there is a movie under the franchise's belt, I can see sequels to MoS performing twice as good if not moreso if the critical and public perception of the first movie is good.
Snowden's Secret
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I can't believe people didn't like Ironman 3. WTF. It's it just people mad about Mandarin? Films are finite, not perpetual like comics, it's fine to make a villain one and done or add a twist of flavor.
Man of Steel looks kind of drab and like they missed the point. Like, why is his costume so drab and pale? A man doesn't dress in tights and a cape with a giant S on the chest for nothing. It's to be a symbol, a beacon, which is what makes the primary colors, and the entire outfit, work. The fact that they could mess that up just to fit some modern sensibilities doesn't fill me with confidence that they are going to get the rest right.
Man of Steel looks kind of drab and like they missed the point. Like, why is his costume so drab and pale? A man doesn't dress in tights and a cape with a giant S on the chest for nothing. It's to be a symbol, a beacon, which is what makes the primary colors, and the entire outfit, work. The fact that they could mess that up just to fit some modern sensibilities doesn't fill me with confidence that they are going to get the rest right.
What sequels?
You are crazy the new suit looks awesome.
No one is making $200M movies unless they anticipate a franchise.
sweetvar26
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Henry Cavil will be back as Man Of Steel/Superman in a sequel or Justice League movies in the future.
At this point that is a given.
Future Foundation
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You make it sound like he's walking around in black and white, the colors still look good. And it's still treated like a symbol and a beacon, shit, Supes says as much in the third trailer.
EDIT: Log4Girlz is right. In terms of quality, I'd like to see how this compares with the first Iron Man. If MoS does good money and is anywhere near as good a movie as IM1, I could give a fuck about it hitting $1B
I don't know why people are so pessimistic about Man of Steel's box office chances. Superman is fucking iconic, there's a lot of pent-up demand (for a GOOD superman movie), the hype has been strong, the marketing seems to be pretty effective. 100m opening at minimum with strong legs if it's good can take it to 350m and beyond.
the bigger question mark for me is how it'll play overseas. I know TDK did quite poorly overseas compared to it's huge domestic pull and Superman is a pretty America centric character. we'll see I suppose.
the bigger question mark for me is how it'll play overseas. I know TDK did quite poorly overseas compared to it's huge domestic pull and Superman is a pretty America centric character. we'll see I suppose.
Messypandas
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Phoenician_Viking
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MOS will not even come close to a billion $.
Tizoc
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Nah he's still around but doesn't make as many videos as before.
GraveHorizon
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I read the title as "Real Steel", and thought that Iron Man would obviously destroy one of those Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots. But I haven't seen that movie, so maybe Jackman has some moves?
I generally agree, but All-Star Superman was awesome. Go watch it.
I generally agree, but All-Star Superman was awesome. Go watch it.
Fixed. The movie really pales in comparison. And I say that having watched the movie first.
ThatObviousUser
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Man of Steel is DC.
Automatic lose.
You've got it backwards.
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