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Is Nicki Minaj the Most Talented Artist of the 21st Century?
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CrocMother
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3 pages? now you are the one trolling with your 50ppp nonsense!
EVERYTHING has to do with skin color. The opportunities you're given, the way you're categorized and perceived, the fans you get, the statements you make.
The person who made that image could've put some Gaye or Hendrix lyrics up there if they wanted to make a point about modern music. Consciously or not, there's a different statement they're now making: "Rock, a now-predominantly white genre, breeds more artistically valid content than rap, a predominantly black genre."
Maybe if you're just watching the video on mute, because it wasn't even a good ripoff.
CrocMother
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kitchenmotors
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I don't think the person who made that image was trying to make it a race thing. I've seen those same comparisons with Michael Jackson and (insert random white pop star) around too.
I'm a music nerd, I don't care about who is making the music, black, white, brown, gay, straight. Although I do prefer my gays when it comes to indie/pop/rock, some excellent artists out there that are out and proud.
pixelation
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Come on son!!!
Slammin_Hammon
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The answer is pretty obvious.
itwasTuesday
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It's not about what they were "trying" to do, it's about what they did do. Cultural baggage and context is inseparable from a rock vs rap comparison like that.
No, Mozart's great. But we do know that Mozart was great because he was an Austrian musician from the 16th century, a period we know a ton about thanks to European colonization and globalization.
4 is a cutie
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Obviously, duh
Poor GRIMES
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You wanna talk about the most overrated rap verse in history? That's it. It was a decent verse at best. Not some world beater verse showing off her talent. But people prop thay shit up as if it was great, and this isn't against you, but it's fucking always people who don't listen to rap who acts like that verse is the greatest thing ever. Fuck that verse. Fuck that song period.
Officerrob
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No need to make this a rock vs rap thread, we should all just come together to shit on Nicki Manaj
Mineshaft_Gap
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"All she contributes is the most important thing!"
Also while I don't doubt she's had writers (as have her labelmates, not that it matters at all) she can def write her own shit. See her 'a warning' freestyle from her pre-popstar era
Not an unfair suggestion tbh
itwasTuesday
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quite the mental image
She can't keep skating by on her reputation of Monster.
I mean at the very least, she's the best female rapper of all time.
Darryl M R
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Of course I'm being sarcastic the image posted has been shared on the internet by angsty teens that think their taste in music make them intellectually superior to others
Andrew Korenchkin
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Also no.
brokenbeans
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I'm not sure what I'm more worried about Nikki making another album or OP making another thread?
Poor GRIMES
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soundahfekz
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I hate this image. It's basically trying to insinuate on some dog whistle shit that white people are more intelligent and thus make more complicated music. FOH
Possumowner
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She's clearly the greatest Prog rock singer of all
Pretty sure this doesn't have any racial implications, just a stupid comparison between "good ol' classic music" and "vapid modern pop", the whole "i was born in the wrong generation" shtick.
We don't want this nonsense.
You're the second person so far expecting me to know exactly why it's taboo to point out that a great deal of people are innately racist, even when it comes to their music tastes.
torre_avenue
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Ok, since a serious response is expected in this super serious thread about the most super serious topic in the super serious world, I'll answer.
She isn't. She might have been, but one good verse does not a legend make. She can spit when she wants to but the point is she doesn't anymore. She's a popstar now, not a rapper. Even the last song where people agree she "spit" was "Four Door Aventador" iirc, and even then the punchlines in that are corny as shit; "I'm in the V like a widow's peak", "I'm getting acting money / You niggas is Kevin Hart, y'all be acting funny", her entire first verse basically consisting of the same A-A-A rhyme scheme. Arguably, the most clever set of bars on the track are these:
Even beyond that, Nicki doesn't have an artistic vision with her projects. Sure they might be based on some visual idea or message she has at the time, but there's no effort made to make her projects feel cohesive or clever or groundbreaking. Yes, she is popular and yes, she makes a shit-ton of money and yes, she regularly tops the Billboard charts, but she hasn't made an album that's had a lasting influence. It's been 5 years since "Roman's Revenge", and I don't see anyone in the rap game taking any sort of inspiration from that album. Compare that to "808s & Heartbreak" or "Flockaveli" or "The Money Store", which have had musicians acknowledge they've derived some influence from that work, and I think the answer is clear.
Nicki Minaj has talent, otherwise she wouldn't have made it this far. But, she isn't the most talented artist of the last 17 years nor is she the best female rapper of the last 17 years. She's a good pop-star, but that's really about it. She knows how to use her sexuality to appeal to men and simultaneously empowering women by owning her sexuality & acting dominant in the relationships she raps about. All in all, this is just a really longwinded way of saying "no."
Please feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong.
She isn't. She might have been, but one good verse does not a legend make. She can spit when she wants to but the point is she doesn't anymore. She's a popstar now, not a rapper. Even the last song where people agree she "spit" was "Four Door Aventador" iirc, and even then the punchlines in that are corny as shit; "I'm in the V like a widow's peak", "I'm getting acting money / You niggas is Kevin Hart, y'all be acting funny", her entire first verse basically consisting of the same A-A-A rhyme scheme. Arguably, the most clever set of bars on the track are these:
They use internal rhymes, but they all rhyme of that same "ih" sound. Comparatively, look at Yachty's verse on "Mase in '97". The damn thing is filled with internal rhymes, external rhymes, and just continually shifting the way he emphasizes rhyming sounds.
Even beyond that, Nicki doesn't have an artistic vision with her projects. Sure they might be based on some visual idea or message she has at the time, but there's no effort made to make her projects feel cohesive or clever or groundbreaking. Yes, she is popular and yes, she makes a shit-ton of money and yes, she regularly tops the Billboard charts, but she hasn't made an album that's had a lasting influence. It's been 5 years since "Roman's Revenge", and I don't see anyone in the rap game taking any sort of inspiration from that album. Compare that to "808s & Heartbreak" or "Flockaveli" or "The Money Store", which have had musicians acknowledge they've derived some influence from that work, and I think the answer is clear.
Nicki Minaj has talent, otherwise she wouldn't have made it this far. But, she isn't the most talented artist of the last 17 years nor is she the best female rapper of the last 17 years. She's a good pop-star, but that's really about it. She knows how to use her sexuality to appeal to men and simultaneously empowering women by owning her sexuality & acting dominant in the relationships she raps about. All in all, this is just a really longwinded way of saying "no."
Please feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong.
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Which when you get down to it, probably stems from "why aren't predominately white male musical genres like rock popular anymore"
Darryl M R
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Images like these never call out Taylor Swift or Katy Perry poppy mindless lyrics despite them ranking higher than Nicki Minaj on top artist billboards but in the end I see more as some an image some insecure white guy put together to say "Hah look at this great example of what I think is real music not what you think is music. Stop liking things I dislike."
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