DorkLord54
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Unless you're from, say, the South, where "you guys" is less common, no, not at all.
Many people believe that using "man" instead of "human" for the species does exclude female experiences and contributions, for the same reason!
Yup.I would rather die.
That's true, but I think a case can be made for formal language (which "man"/"human" would be) obliging more precision from us than informal language.
Saying yall makes me feel very stupid.Saying "y'all", or I guess really enunciating it makes me want to swallow. Like, it's just uncomfortable. How do you guys feel?
Just use "you people" from now on.
Saying yall makes me feel very stupid.
So I never say it unless I'm referencing the actual "word" to say, for example, "saying "y'all" makes you sound dumb."
it's all about "y'all", brehs
it's not gender neutral. it never was. the word "guy" refers to males. i'm sure there are plenty of people who dislike the phrase hence why you see "Hey all", "Hey everyone" "Hey folks" etc. because they know it's exclusionary and keeps the status quo. Just men all around would make a stink if they were asked to use something else.
No, it's gender neutral. Has been for a LONG time.
can you think of other terms or phrases that are gender neutral when they heavily sway in either the male/female/other category?
Ok and the collinsdictionary is the absolute authority on this? Your argument is quite flimsy. Again, what are some other terms or phrases that are gender neutral that sway heavily into the male, female, or other category? The ones I can think of are male oriented.Just to be sure I was not imagining things I have checked several online dictionaries and they all have the following definition under guys, specificially pertaining to the phrase you guys
It is as follows persons of either sex
So yeah, it is a gender neutral statement.
I'm from NY so I'll stick to my "ayyyy yooze guize".
Ok and the collinsdictionary is the absolute authority on this? Your argument is quite flimsy. Again, what are some other terms or phrases that are gender neutral that sway heavily into the male, female, or other category? The ones I can think of are male oriented.
It's youse guys.
"minna" is the superior word.
I just say "you," because "guys" in too informal for a business-y phone call.
Just use "you people" from now on.
Just use "you people" from now on.
Ok and the collinsdictionary is the absolute authority on this? Your argument is quite flimsy. Again, what are some other terms or phrases that are gender neutral that sway heavily into the male, female, or other category? The ones I can think of are male oriented.
i try not to say it if im taking to a group of named individuals and one of them is a girl. for example, if im on a call with clients id say 'bye everyone' instead of 'bye guys.'
Ok and the collinsdictionary is the absolute authority on this? Your argument is quite flimsy. Again, what are some other terms or phrases that are gender neutral that sway heavily into the male, female, or other category? The ones I can think of are male oriented.
Ok and the collinsdictionary is the absolute authority on this? Your argument is quite flimsy. Again, what are some other terms or phrases that are gender neutral that sway heavily into the male, female, or other category? The ones I can think of are male oriented.
Jesus. People will get upset about anything and the shaming is unreal.
Now I am hoping the world does end tomorrow.
Saying something is gender neutral doesn't make it gender neutral. You're believing an authority without examining the word. Let's look at the word "guys" for a second:The link was an example, you can google it yourself and consult other dictionaries, they all state it as a gender neutral term. Just because it has the word guy in it, doesn't mean it cannot be gender neutral in this context, which for all intents and purposes it is.
There is no argument to be had here, it is a gender neutral statement and in no way impacts anyones right to their identity. It doesn't infer male or female, despite the word guy on its own infering one.
I mean, you have languages like Spanish, where f.pl. is only used if the entire group is female. As soon as you add 1 male to it, it becomes m.pl.
It's a common thing throughout languages in general.
This is what pushed you over the edge?
The inclusiveness of it seems to be region dependent.
Like, this isn't a big deal, it really isn't but it's smart to think about these things. Why? Maybe in time you'll change the way you speak or you gain insight into how be more respectful in general. It's a minor issue but it's still part a much bigger issue of how men are supposed to dominate in all spheres of society.