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[Lowmelody]

This is a travesty. All forms of unwilling circumcision are.

 

[Lucky_Se7enty]

Fgm existed before Islam in these regions, but yeah your right it's unislamic and no precedence for it.

 

[kobashi100]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

 

[neorej]

This is actually forbidden in Islam. Anyway, really hope these guys can be rid of.

Well, one can only hope ISIS is reading this board and tells his fellow brothers that they've doing islam wrong.

 

[Bizazedo]

Realistically, what can we expect to happen that will prevent this?

Nothing. The West is not in the mood for any wars at the moment after the long time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention the drama with Russia.

No one will object to hoping / wanting to prevent it in this thread, but, make a thread, separately, calling for western (or any) intervention to stop ISIS. People will strenuously object due to a myriad of reasons.

 

[Mael]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

Good thing that everyone here is fluent in this language as well as Japanese, Chinese, French and even Europanto.

 

[Volotaire]

Your Al Jazeera link leads to an Al Arabiya story OP.

OP thats not Al Jazeera English... but if this is true then its disturbing.

Fixed.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs_SqteCUAAeNBt.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
There is an individual that brought this forward, you can ask her (she does work for the UN).

What tells you that this is fake?

[quote]Speaking to BasNews, a spokesman for Mosul police, Ahmed Obaydi, said: "Baghdadi's decision to have all women circumcised is, as he claims, to prevent immorality and promote Islamic attitudes among Muslims. The decision was made by Baghdadi as a 'gift' for people in Mosul."

The decision has, however, sparked outrage by human rights organisations, who said that genital cutting exposes women to an increased risk of disease.
[url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-islamic-state-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-orders-female-genital-mutilation-two-million-1458152[/url]
[/quote]

 

[kobashi100]

residents in Mosul including including a doctor, journalists and tribal leader have said it's not true.

 

[Volotaire]

residents in Mosul including including a doctor, journalists and tribal leader have said it's not true.

Could you provide some links or translations, happy to ask mods to lock this thread if true.

 

[Mr.Sumal]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

What does that declaration say? I truly hope that this forcing fgm is fake. No one should be forced into FGM. I kept refreshing AJE and I dont see a new story on this.

 

[Partial Gamification]

residents in Mosul including including a doctor, journalists and tribal leader have said it's not true.

Link? I'm sure al-Baghdadi would refute such a claim.

 

[Earl Grey]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

what is written here is totally wrong and the hadith mentioned here is weak and there is no basis on it, it is even contradict what the quran said about this.

the only true thing about this is the fatwa being old, its a year old now

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

If there is one reason I'd support a re invasion of Iraq, this is it.

 

[Sir Blaming]

And i thought people will not defend this.
I'll be damned if this is fake and all, and got my ass cheated or something, but if this real, fuck em i say. Give them prison and let them suffer, and see if their "god" will save them from their actions.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I don't really see the point of sex if the woman isn't enjoying it.

Here's hoping the Iraqi government and neighboring states accept any refugee who wishes to flee such barbarism.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Fake fatwa.

You wanna believe this story then go ahead. Please ask the UN for there credible sources.

I understand none of these words.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Ah..

The UN are making up lies against the Islamic State then it seems.

This is not true at all.

Like the stories about churches being burnt the ground last week. It's BS!

Simply amazing, GAF has a defense force for everything.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I'm always being told that it is a minority of muslims that behave in such F up manner but, their number seems to be significant.

Isis is significant ?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

One would assume they'd be too busy caring about improving the lives of people instead of thinking so much about vaginas.

 

[Mr.Sumal]

Fixed.

Its now up on AJE : http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/un-islamic-state-orders-genital-mutilation-201472412511366171.html

 

[Suen]

residents in Mosul including including a doctor, journalists and tribal leader have said it's not true.

Some residents in Mosul were also applauding ISIS when they took over the city. Tribal Sunni leaders in Mosul forged an alliance with ISIS in an attempt to undermine the central authority like they've been constantly trying to do post-invasion in Mosul and Anbar. You might as well use some contradicting Da'esh source to deny that it's going on. I hope it's false but you'd need a better source than a bunch of potential terrorist supporters.

Btw why haven't you joining the ISIS ranks yet? You seem to defend them so much in most threads.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Its now up on AJE : http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/un-islamic-state-orders-genital-mutilation-201472412511366171.html

Better yet, Jezebel

There is a major shitstorm forming.

 

[Jon Armdog]

Why do these extremists hate women so much? :/

The power to create life. Hot shots in sweet boss robes have always been wicked jelous about it. Don't hone in on the deities' powers, ladies! Especially since the gatekeeper to that power is Mr. Pope/Cardinal/Imam/Supreme Leader...

 

[speculawyer]

The caliphate is off to a great start.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

The caliphate is off to a great start.

They should declare bankruptcy, it solves all of life's problems.

 

[Trojita]

I just threw up.

 

[Hollycat]

What a horrible thing. Who does this even benefit? I'm pretty sure most men would like to see genitals that aren't torn to pieces, and I'm positive women would prefer to be able to enjoy sex.

So why? why why why why why?

 

[RustyNails]

Deplorable. NATO should take their asses out right now.

 

[Jon Armdog]

Isis is significant ?

Yes, very. ISIL has major cash and manpower. Depending on near future Islamist group politics (other groups switching alligiance from Zawahiri to Baghdadi), they could replace AQ as the big kids on the block. That seems to be up in the air right now

 

[Partial Gamification]

Deplorable. NATO should take their asses out right now.

Region needs to come together and deal with this, with international support.

 

[wildfire]

Its now up on AJE : http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/un-islamic-state-orders-genital-mutilation-201472412511366171.html

Well if they even think it's credible I'm not going to pay any mind to posts that imply the opposite unless they look like they are very thorough in their debunking efforts.

 

[speculawyer]

Its now up on AJE : http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/un-islamic-state-orders-genital-mutilation-201472412511366171.html

Minorities, such as Christians and Shias, have been leaving Mosul after Islamic State took control of it. The group issued a decree last week that ordered Christians to convert, pay a Christian tax, leave Mosul or face death.

well isn't that nice.

 

[PeskyToaster]

at least they let them leave. that's nicer than most conquerors have been historically.

 

[Kenshin001]

Its now up on AJE : http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/un-islamic-state-orders-genital-mutilation-201472412511366171.html

Well that can't be right. Unlike the Arabic version the English version of Al Jazeera is a well respected and trusted news source. They'd never post articles that may be dubious.

 

[kobashi100]

Please read

http://justpaste.it/fatwa_debunked

Guys just think about this for a moment. IS have been in control of raqqa in Syria for months and there has been no forced FGM.

Why all of sudden would it now be forced in Mosul but not ever in raqqa.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Well that can't be right. Unlike the Arabic version the English version of Al Jazeera is a well respected and trusted news source. They'd never post articles that may be dubious.

That's a really longwinded way of saying "NO U!"

 

[NH Apache]

residents in Mosul including including a doctor, journalists and tribal leader have said it's not true.

Link, do you have it

Please read

http://justpaste.it/fatwa_debunked

Oh, now you're just wasting everyone's time.

 

[Keio]

What I find disgusting is that this medieval bullshit is happening. Looking at the world which is going through it's most peaceful era, how do we end up with forced mutilation, genocide in Gaza and the shooting down of MH17? Fucking absurd and it makes me angry.

 

[TUSR]

I overheard a conversation about this form mutilation when I was about 6 years old, and its still burnt into my brain. Disgusting.

 

[GameAddict411]

As someone who came from a Muslim family, this the first time in my life I have heard of such terrible practices. After doing some research its actually "haram" in Islam.


They just took the weakest hadieth they could find and made it a law, the irony for their state name.

 

[Suen]

at least they let them leave. that's nicer than most conquerors have been historically.

Mind you they let Christians leave. Shia are killed on the spot.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

What a horrible thing. Who does this even benefit? I'm pretty sure most men would like to see genitals that aren't torn to pieces, and I'm positive women would prefer to be able to enjoy sex.

So why? why why why why why?

I think part of it is to make sex not enjoyable for the woman, the logic being painful sex == not gonna sleep around.

 

[kobashi100]

Mind you they let Christians leave. Shia are killed on the spot.

Not true at all.

Please show us where Shia civilians are being killed on the spot.

Not milita, show us the mass killings of Shia civilians.

 

[GameAddict411]

Mind you they let Christians leave. Shia are killed on the spot.

This is not Islam at all, they're basically taking what they want and rejecting what they hate. In real Islam such practices denounce your faith, again its ironic considering the name of their state.

 

[MariosGirlfriend33]

Not true at all.

Please show us where Shia civilians are being killed on the spot.

Not milita, show us the mass killings of Shia civilians.

Are you trying to defend ISIS?

 

[kobashi100]

This is not Islam at all, they're basically taking what they want and rejecting what they hate. In real Islam such practices denounce your faith, again its ironic considering the name of their state.

Are you saying the jizya is not Islamic?

 

[BruiserBear]

Please read

http://justpaste.it/fatwa_debunked

Guys just think about this for a moment. IS have been in control of raqqa in Syria for months and there has been no forced FGM.

Why all of sudden would it now be forced in Mosul but not ever in raqqa.

I did think about it for a moment, and you're right, ISIS seem like perfectly reasonable people who would never do anything this crazy.

 

[Mr.Sumal]

Well that can't be right. Unlike the Arabic version the English version of Al Jazeera is a well respected and trusted news source. They'd never post articles that may be dubious.

Al Jazeera has not seen the original decree. However, other news services reported it had been issued on Wednesday.

I guess AJE is just reporting on what others said.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Not true at all.

Please show us where Shia civilians are being killed on the spot.

Not milita, show us the mass killings of Shia civilians.

[...]Iraq’s Christians are Assyrians, known as the Church of the East, or Chaldeans, an Eastern rite of the Catholic Church that broke away from the Assyrians. Yazidis, ethnically linked to Kurds, practice a 4,000-year-old religion that centers on the Peacock Angel. Shabaks have ethnic ties to Kurds, Turks, and Persians; the majority are Shia and the rest are Sunni. A majority of Turkmen, of Turkic ethnicity, are Sunni, and the rest are Shia.

These religious minority groups, concentrated in the Nineveh Plains surrounding Mosul, have been historically marginalized. Many of their communities are now flashpoints in the ISIS battle against Iraqi government forces. ISIS and its extremist Sunni precursors have largely targeted Shabaks and Turkmen who are Shia, not Sunni.

The laws of war ban all parties to a conflict from targeting, intentionally damaging, seizing or destroying religious, cultural and historic properties, provided they are not used for military purposes. Freedom of belief and religion itself is a fundamental human right, and under international law there can be no derogation, or partial suspension or repeal of the right, in times of conflict or state of emergency. Under the laws of war the convictions and religious practices of civilians and all detainees must be respected. Discrimination on the grounds of religion is strictly prohibited.

Murder of civilians, taking hostages, and the torture or killing of detainees, including captured combatants, as well as pillaging, constitute war crimes.

ISIS has also targeted Iraqi police and security forces, many of them Shia, ordering them to “repent” at designated mosques in Mosul and the nearby city of Tal Afar for following state law rather than Sharia (Islamic law), or face death. Under that threat, hundreds of security officials and soldiers have “repented,” local residents told Human Rights Watch. But a relative of one Mosul policeman told Human Rights Watch that he fled instead after learning that two of his fellow police officers, both Shia, were found dead in late June in Mosul even though they had “repented” a few days earlier.
[...]
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/19/iraq-isis-abducting-killing-expelling-minorities

I'm curious if you have some romantic notion of this caliphate shit.

It would be appreciated if you could provided sources for your earlier claims too.