kobashi100
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ISIS orders female genital mutilation in Mosul for ages between 11 and 46
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I just want the truth to be reported.
Shogun_of_Truth
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I saw this post on Reddit, claiming the Hadiths support this act.
I was not aware of this. I though it was condemned in Islam. I'm not trying to bash Islam or anything. But is this stuff taken out of context? I know people do that to the Bible and the Torah all the time. I've not read much of the Hadiths. Any Muslims here want to explain these verses to me?
Thanks.
Again, I'm not trying to bash any religion, these words are not mine, but from someone on Reddit. I just want to understand here.
I was not aware of this. I though it was condemned in Islam. I'm not trying to bash Islam or anything. But is this stuff taken out of context? I know people do that to the Bible and the Torah all the time. I've not read much of the Hadiths. Any Muslims here want to explain these verses to me?
Thanks.
Again, I'm not trying to bash any religion, these words are not mine, but from someone on Reddit. I just want to understand here.
PeskyToaster
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It was my lame attempt to find the tiniest bright spot in this whole thing.
Funky Papa
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Keep in mind that kobashi100 is GAF's own islamist, fierce defender of the caliphate and all around radical who posts crazy stuff like this:
on the regular.
He claims to reject the killing of civilians and the like while acting as the local ISIS cheerleader. Cognitive dissonance doesn't begin to describe it.
on the regular.
He claims to reject the killing of civilians and the like while acting as the local ISIS cheerleader. Cognitive dissonance doesn't begin to describe it.
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Bash religion all you like, everything else is criticized. I don't see why religion should be any different.
Gosh, I'm truly shocked that an Islamic group would suggest such an unislamic practice. Maybe we should air-drop them some Qur'ans and sort this matter out peacefully.
Bullshit. You've been moist at the thought of a caliphate for years.
Partial Gamification
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A hadith is post-Koran. To be fair, it does not reflect the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad.
GameAddict411
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Not too long ago they detonated three bombs in Shia neighborhoods killing dozens of civilians. So please don't give me this crap. A state like this an abomination to the whole world, not just Iraq.
The US just gave the Syrian resistance $500 mil of dollars of support, what guarantees that its not falling in the hands of these savages?
TheLostBigBoss
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That is un-sourceable and comes from sketchy websites while ignoring anything that doesn't support my cause
Sir Blaming
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you want THE truth or YOUR truth? Cause there is a difference.
BruiserBear
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Religion.
Shogun_of_Truth
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From vice news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cb3OURdl3g
Go to 16:22 for very graphic not safe for life footage of ISIS killing Muslim civilians.
RustyNails
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You are either completely ignorant of what's going on, or have been fed a whole different news of what is going on there.
Reddit basically clicked on the wikiislam link which is pretty much the extremist wiki.
They basically declare everything sahih even if it's weak or fabricated.
kobashi100
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Like I said.
Please explain why in raqqa there is no FGM going on when IS have been in control for a whole lot longer then mosul.
Why would IS only impose this in Mosul while ignoring other territory they control?
Please explain why in raqqa there is no FGM going on when IS have been in control for a whole lot longer then mosul.
Why would IS only impose this in Mosul while ignoring other territory they control?
This is the part I don't get. The clitoris is pretty far from the vagina. During normal 'boring' sex the woman doesn't necessarily get much stimulation on the clitoris. So assuming she is just 'doing her duty' to her man, she wouldn't get much enjoyment and most likely no orgasm.
I wonder if it is more about power? So they are basically a vessel for the man to have his enjoyment (and obviously for baby making), but FGM removes any liklihood of pleasure so the woman doesn't stray, or self-stimulate etc?
Shogun_of_Truth
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To install fear in Mosul, a place that might resist them. I'm sure many there are not happy with their Christian neighbors being forced out of Mosul. (and their ancient, historic church burned to boot.)
Because they're fucking batshit?
Please explain how you are avoiding all the info in this thread? Oh wait, I know.
Sho_Nuff82
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Welp, I'm not sleeping tonight. :/
That video was horrifying.
Why are you asking GAF to apply logic to a religious practice that isn't founded in logic?
RustyNails
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They are not verses. They are hadiths, or sayings of Muhammad. They are graded from strong to weak to outright fabricated. Weak hadith have untrustworthy chain of narration, and the hadiths about fgm fall under the weak categories.
Even if you want to consider the fgm argument using weak hadiths, the important thing to know is that women have sexual rights and the right to their health in Islam.
These dudes are barbarians.
kobashi100
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Like I said, just like the stories of churches being burnt to the ground.
Same bogus fake stories being spread.
Slackbladder
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Well, there isn't complete agreement on this. The Independant i100
A hoax spread by those opposed to ISIS? I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Oh and I'm no Islamist. I'm a podgy, white 44 year old athiest from England. But this doesn't sound quite right.
A hoax spread by those opposed to ISIS? I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Oh and I'm no Islamist. I'm a podgy, white 44 year old athiest from England. But this doesn't sound quite right.
Like the mass killings of Shia?
RustyNails
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Yeah going to go the wait and see on this one.
kobashi100
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If I am wrong on this then I don't support that one bit.
Lol... so it was faked?
'Shiraz Maher, a Senior Fellow at King’s College London specialising in the Middle East, had looked at the image for i100 - before the UN’s claims - and concluded it was a fake, likely spread by one of the many, many groups opposed to Isis. '
Hypemaster
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I'm a member of that Christian minority from Mosul. I can confirm that the Christians (many of which are my family) there have been forced to flee their homes. Then, the few that remained were either told to convert or pay a tax. We don't know what happened to those that refused both. Why? The Christians in Mosul were there centuries before Islam arrived, centuries before the Arabs arrived. In fact, Mosul was the capitol of ancient Mesopotamia, and we're direct descendants of the Mesopotamians.
Some of you have wanted a caliphate. Well, here it is. Here it is in all its worthless glory. And to some of you that keep saying, "religion", be bold and be clear. In this case, it's Islam. Radical fucking Islam. This is it. This needs to be stopped.
Some of you have wanted a caliphate. Well, here it is. Here it is in all its worthless glory. And to some of you that keep saying, "religion", be bold and be clear. In this case, it's Islam. Radical fucking Islam. This is it. This needs to be stopped.
Male circumcision helps prevent HIV transmission. Nothing exists for women.
manfestival
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I am sorry to hear of the struggles of your family and people. I really do appreciate your post as it was very informative. I decided to do some research on what you and and everything pretty much confirms what you are saying. It is good to learn something everyday, now I fear that this city with such a history is about to see some really dark days. Your family is in my thoughts.
Read the first page looked at all the rage, understood the rage. Thought about how many people are informed of the religion and realize female circumcision isn't in the Quran at all in fact it's looked down upon. And now there seems to be a contradiction in the source. And now I wonder how many gaffers will actually return to the thread and read the stuff posted.
Basically the only thing I see coming from this is more and more people beginning to hate Muslims rather than hating fucked up psychotic people in power who just use religion to justify their own goals.
Basically the only thing I see coming from this is more and more people beginning to hate Muslims rather than hating fucked up psychotic people in power who just use religion to justify their own goals.
IT sucks that the scumbags that are ISIS are able to do this. My sympathy to you.
Well you have batshit christians doing batshit stuffs and people blame the religion for the fucked up stuffs they do.
Heck you can't have Israel do one thing without having people trying to pin that on all the jewish population all over the world.
It's the same here but worse because most of the reactions muslim usually give is not outright rejection of these fuckheads.
At least it was last I checked.
Maninthemirror
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I read that and I raise you this:
http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/Female-circumcision-and-its-standing-in-Islamic-law.pdf
12 page analysis of Islam being AGAINT FGM including Islamic book and hadith wordings and qoutes to support it
Conclusion:
It is not a religious issue but a personal and regional custom issue. It was practiced before Islam by the non religious and other faiths as a custom, not a religious decree. the ONLY religious decree FOR circumcision is MALE circumcision and that too near birth. specific schools of thoughts within islam have accepted the FGM practice as a custom acceptable in islam while not calling it 'Islamic'. it is still wrong regardless
SapientWolf
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The practice is not common in Iraq, outside of Kurdistan, so it's a strange move. It's common on the African continent, in places like Egypt however. Maybe they're trying to appease groups in those countries.
edit: The story being fake is the other plausible angle.
edit: The story being fake is the other plausible angle.
Shogun_of_Truth
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Thanks. I figured it might be something like that. I've been trying to educate myself more on Islam, but the is a lot of BS to shift through, its hard to find the facts about it.
It's dependent on where people live. Since I live in the US it is easy for the predominantly Christian public to see that the Christian radicals are extremists, with Muslims it's harder since there's not that many in the US relative to the whole population. So their opinion of Muslims just comes from medua, and with shit like this false info spreads so easy. As for Jewish people, it's the same thing except the US actively funds Israel and has established that the country and it's citizens should support the country in any way they can. It's the same reason why when the study on religion was posted on GAF recently Jews were the most liked and Muslims most hated.
Shogun_of_Truth
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Thanks! Their is so much hate speech going around, it can be hard to figure this stuff out.
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Maninthemirror
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Most Islamic schools of thought recognize the holy prophet of Islam (saw) disliked FGM. He did not ban the custom which existed before Islam but he did not promote it either but he had a dislike for it. Now normally when the founder of islam disliked something, it was generally accepted and is accepted as a norm that if HE dislikes something, DON'T PRACTICE IT.
So the concensus by the majority of scholars in islam, liberal, moderate and radical is that FGM is not banned in islamic books and hadith and is not encouraged either but because the Holy Prophet disliked its practice, it is not encouraged in the places of the world where its a custom like Africa
So the concensus by the majority of scholars in islam, liberal, moderate and radical is that FGM is not banned in islamic books and hadith and is not encouraged either but because the Holy Prophet disliked its practice, it is not encouraged in the places of the world where its a custom like Africa
If people actually think FMG is supported in Islam then they better start explaining why Iraq, a majority muslim country, doesn't practice FMG, and no, a few cases of FMG happening somewhere in the country or certain Kurdish tribes practicing it since who knows when isn't any sort of good proof. You can tell from people who bought the news of it being supported being ones who are here just for "lol Islam and muzzies are evil" and not like "hey this doesn't look very good in Iraq"
The story being potentially fake is quite good news but after how residents in Mosul and tribal leaders themselves gave up the city on a silver plate to ISIS I'm quite skeptical in believing any of their words. Some more confirmations would be nice, let's see how it develops.
eudaemonic
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I rage that ANYONE thinks this shit is right. Even if it's one person regardless of their reasons - from religion to medical quackery.
Also, just because it isn't supported in someone's holy book doesn't mean that some people won't find a way to distort it anyways. And until I see the faith as a whole fight back, denounce, and hold accountable with the same vigor as the people who use it for evil against others - they're just as complicit. Wagging your finger at someone and saying that's not very *insert religion* of them/they're not true *insert religion here* isn't enough. These people are psychotic.
Exactly, don't forget half of the shit the UN reports is fabricated. The UN has and will always be an extension of Western hidden agenda, ie nation wrecking and resource stealing. An institution where certain parts of it should not even exist.
ISIS needs to be removed from the face of the earth, but certain accusations against them should come with real prove and not fabricated bullshit by the western media everyone takes as the truth. I'm sure Saddam is still hording an atomic bomb ready to unleash upon humanity.
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