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Israel faces mounting Palestinian anger over holy site metal detectors
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SliceSabre
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That seems like a very unreasonable reaction to metal detectors after the murder of those two officers.
I mean it seems like the natural response to take after something like that. Like how after a school shooting a school may have metal detectors set up for a time.
I mean it seems like the natural response to take after something like that. Like how after a school shooting a school may have metal detectors set up for a time.
FF Seraphim
Member
I mean it seems like the logical thing to do after what happened... by that i mean adding the metal detectors.
Also this part:
I do not know why it was added, it is not like Israel cares what the international community thinks since the international community will not do anything about Israel actions...
Also this part:
I do not know why it was added, it is not like Israel cares what the international community thinks since the international community will not do anything about Israel actions...
But it's like their third holiest site, dude. That's, like, really holy.
After terrorists murdered police officers and tried to use the Temple Mount status quo in order to hide...yeah, adding metal detectors was completely justified. Complaining is imbecile.
Here's what happened last week BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpzL8JKzIeA
"Palestinians hurling rocks and Israeli police using stun grenades"
Pretty much sums up the one sided conflict taking place there. Regardless of the Israelis do, they will never suffer any consequences. They can and will continue their systematic elimination of Muslims in the region.
Makes me wonder if Palestinians had the same kind of funding and resources the Israelis receive from the rest of the world.. it speaks volumes about how much the Muslim world cares about them.
You are not looking at the bigger picture here. Go ahead and compare the Palestinian fatalities to Israeli, the news last week was a propaganda piece with far greater emphasis than it deserves, a product of the Israeli media machine. Soldiers/Officers (who stand on the front line doing their duty) do NOT equate to innocent civilians.
Pretty much sums up the one sided conflict taking place there. Regardless of the Israelis do, they will never suffer any consequences. They can and will continue their systematic elimination of Muslims in the region.
Makes me wonder if Palestinians had the same kind of funding and resources the Israelis receive from the rest of the world.. it speaks volumes about how much the Muslim world cares about them.
You are not looking at the bigger picture here. Go ahead and compare the Palestinian fatalities to Israeli, the news last week was a propaganda piece with far greater emphasis than it deserves, a product of the Israeli media machine. Soldiers/Officers (who stand on the front line doing their duty) do NOT equate to innocent civilians.
wesleyshark
Banned
Same.
ClosingADoor
Member
Is it set up in such a way that it prevents people from entering? I don't really get the issue with metal detectors in an area just after a terrorist attack either.
jakonovski
Member
What this is about is that Palestinians are subjugated and oppressed by the Israelis and have no say in their own lives. Parroting a line about metal detectors being okay is basically lying by omission (or being completely clueless).
To just consider every decision by the Israel goverment as oppressive would imo be a mistake. Going by the information in the article metal detectors seem like a good idea. You can agree with that while disapproving of Israels larger policies.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Translation: Muslim fanatics going nuts over metal detectors looks bad and hurts the anti-Israel narrative. Therefore, they don't REALLY care about metal detectors--they're just being oppressed and this is how they express it.
ZiZ
Member
You're falling into the same trap. These clashes began before the metal detectors were installed.
It's like if you wound someone, which makes them furious. Then you rub salt in their wound and write an article about how they hate salt.
jakonovski
Member
The key is Palestinians having no say in their own lives. That's one of the most important root problems of the entire conflict.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
If it such a problem for Israeli police why not let Palestinian security operate it? Oh yeah that would be giving some worth to Palestinian lives, can't do that....
Dude Abides
Banned
Translation: Fakestinians have no rights an Israeli is bound to respect.
The entrances are in Israeli territory and the agreement with Jordan made sure that would not change. Terrorists used the Temple Mount as a way to flee the police after killing two officers. Comply with rules and things will be fine.
Oh good, since we're going to start enforcing territorial rules than Israel will cease it's illegal settlement program, yes?
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I don't know about "no rights", but true, I don't think the right to not have to go through a metal detector before praying at a particularly dangerous site is all that important.
JustSomeone
Member
Religion.That's what it does to people
Or you know the State of Israel is a racist one that is bent on making the lives of all Paltestinians difficult.
JustSomeone
Member
There were peaceful protesting near those metal detector.... but how did Israel react to these peaceful protesting? do u know?
jakonovski
Member
If you understand the broader context, why are you so concerned about the nature of the straw that breaks the camel's back?
You're just attempting to middle two issues together. The Temple Mount status and the Waqf admin are discussed by the Jordan Israel Agreement of 1994. Israel gives them autonomy, not sovereignty, at the site. Security is supposed to be done by Israel.
Don't use it as a terrorist hideout and it will be fine as it was. Israeli govt has no interest in changing the status or claiming the place. This is reckless and irresponsible propaganda.
Most of the protests were due to inflammatory speeches and incitement by the Mufti.
rrvv
Member
Well is symbolize that Israel is in control of the holy site. Is like putting your country flag in indispute land.
The Greek Freak
Member
It's Israel I'm shocked it's not a strip and cavity search plus a beating.
Resident_UA
Member
You do realize the irony of your post, right? In the US every single Muslim has been called a terrorist at leas once in their lives (I'm not even exaggerating).
TDLink
Member
I'm not saying call Muslims terrorists at all. Don't put words in my mouth. I am saying call Terrorists Terrorists. These guys came in guns blazing to kill people. And they did.
People in this topic are trying to justify their actions for various reasons, and they're not justifiable.
Resident_UA
Member
Yes, but the term terrorist is just thrown around. For example who are you calling terrorists in your post?
EDIT: In case you don't get a chance to reply I'll get to my point. You'll say that people who killed police officers are terrorists (which is hard to disagree with), but are those Israel police officers who kill protesters terrorists?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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this isn't about the terrorists at this points it's about the israeli army shooting down protesters/rioters.
TDLink
Member
The people in this video:
Who came in and killed those officers and started a shootout?
Resident_UA
Member
EDIT: In case you don't get a chance to reply I'll get to my point. You'll say that people who killed police officers are terrorists (which is hard to disagree with), but are those Israel police officers who kill protesters terrorists?
michaelius
Banned
Yeah and it certainly wouldn't be security risk as I'm sure Palestinian security would never be tempted to turn blind eye to people smuggling weapons.
A terrorist to you, a freedom fighter to others.
TDLink
Member
I of course don't advocate for anyone being killed at all. I don't want my post to be misconstrued.
Having said that, there's a big difference between Riot Police at a protest/riot killing a few people by accident (which happens in many western countries, including America) and people coming in, unprovoked by physical action, to kill random police officers (or whoever). It doesn't help of course that the Riot Police incident in this situation is a direct response to those random officers being killed in the first place. That doesn't justify it, but obvious the blue wall exists in many countries, not just the US and only furthers to complicate the issue.
Even if you want to take the stance that the Palestinians are basically rebels fighting an empire or whatever (which frankly is really mis-characterizing the situation), killing random police officers doesn't accomplish any sort of goal. It only aggravates tensions and incites more violence. A random guy doing his job is not the Israeli Government. No "freedom" is going to be gained by this.
I can't believe you are in any way defending someone getting gunned down like that.
jakonovski
Member
I don't have any solutions, but the ones proposed by so called moderate people always end with the ones in power consolidating power and the ones without power getting worse off.
Resident_UA
Member
You do realize that those are not "random police officers" to them. They consider them an enemy. As far as Palestinians are concerned they are an occupying force. Not that I necessarily agree with them, but that's why there's a conflict.
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