Bluemercury
Member
Is it that hard to put someone in these meetings and ask directly the problem and respond to these non sense he just just said?
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Iwata on 3rd-Party support on Wii U and 3DS
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Oh Indy games. Not that I have any problem with that but I'm talking major releases. There's almost nothing.
Aquamarine
Member
In terms of retail, third-party games?
02/05
Japan
Monster Hunter Frontier G (Memorial Package)
02/06
Japan
Puyo Puyo Tetris
02/07
North America
The LEGO Movie Videogame
02/14
Europe
The LEGO Movie Videogame
03/07
Europe
Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures
04/08
North America
LEGO The Hobbit
Spring 2014
North America
The Amazing Spiderman 2
Q3 2014
North America
Project Cars
That's all the third-party support that's confirmed as of right now. Watch_Dogs is up in the air, and we have no idea if Puyo Puyo Tetris, Dragon Quest X, or Monster Hunter Frontier G: Memorial Package will ever hit overseas.
Bill Rizer
Member
If you think about it, it could be the most amazing thing ever. Just imagine a mix of W101 and Metal Gear Rising (Meta Knight DLC!!!) with Kirby powers... mindblowing.
astrogamer
Member
Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
If you can count it, Luigi's Mansion 2 was developed by Next Level Games.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Exactly, I thought Iwata said they had to reconsider their business strategies? -__-
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Oh my GOD. I had never considered a Kamiya Kirby game before. Fuck Starfox, this needs to happen.
Yup. Quick everyone, let the twitter harassment commence!
I look at this lineup and can't help but shed a single tear.
I would say this seems misguided. The problem is is that they haven't created an environment where these kinds of third party games do well. Cultivate and attract the audience that's into games like AC, CoD, or whatever else and third parties will follow that userbase. Don't just focus on "what you excel at". Improve where you're weaker
Then he specifically mentions the 3DS's third party situation in the west as an example of how the Wii U's third party situation can change. The problem with that is of course the fact that there is basically zero western third party support on 3DS beyond licensed crap.
"those publishers in the overseas markets who are currently not interested in Wii U will be attracted to the Wii U platform, as they were to Nintendo 3DS."
Probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. I'm honestly wondering if any of the investors even believe the insane shit that's been coming out of the higher ups lately.
The Gamecube only sold 22M units, but sold significantly more software than the 3DS, at 42M sold. The 3DS just doesn't move software.
To me it points to weakness in general in handhelds, but also that people are much less willing to buy $40 games (probably because of cheap and 'free' mobile games). It also seems like fewer publishers are making games for the system because of this softening.
To me it points to weakness in general in handhelds, but also that people are much less willing to buy $40 games (probably because of cheap and 'free' mobile games). It also seems like fewer publishers are making games for the system because of this softening.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
It feels like they are still content with taking exactly one swing at a Wii Sports style system selling success with something like Nintendo Land, and then cashing in with the same franchises they've had since the Gamecube era. Going by these quotes, it seems like they really do think the biggest problem with the Wii U is Nintendo Land just wasn't marketed very well.
Do they really not understand how freaking impossible it is for any company to rely on a Wii Sports coming to save them once every console cycle? Especially if you're only going to take exactly one shot at it before retreating back to your safe Mario and Zelda games that might have good attach rates, but absolutely no shot at being that big hit that you've apparently staked the entirety of your system on.
We already knew the Wii U was beyond saving, but after these statements, I'm completely convinced the successor has no chance of succeeding either. These guys really don't get it.
Ha ha yeah, as others pointed out "Japanese market."
Even then, I can't really think of many 3DS games catching my eye for this year...at least yet. All I know is Smash Bros and Layton VS AA are on my list (And Majoras Mask 3D if that ends up being a thing).
As for Wii U, yeah I can't see them getting the 3rd party support they need. I think its a lost cause at this point. I mean cancelled dlc. I've never heard of such a thing. There are many issues with Nintendo just in terms of technology alone which stops 3rd party coming over, but I think the biggest problem is their focus on being child/family friendly. As long as they promote that image, the more less games will come to their platforms (Well apart from games focused at children/family sure). Though I admit, I saw the Monolith X trailers recently and this game alone makes me feel happy for owning a Wii U alone, ha ha. I think if this released now the Wii U would be looked at in a much more positive light and may help to further push the image "Nintendo isnt just for kids." Bayonetta 2 will help there too.
I do think it may just really be for the best if Nintendo goes 3rd party though eventually, depending on their future moves. Its just very ignorant of them that the Wii U has turned out how it has. People were seeing issues with the Wii throughout its life with the lack of 3rd party games, but of course all Nintendo saw was how much money the Wii made them and it made them ignorant to change and improve things for their next console and now it hasnt turned out like how they've hoped. Money shouldn't alone be what classes your product as success, but also how much it is used. For me at least, the Wii was used for a period after receiving it and enjoying it immensly, then I moved onto 360 and ended up using that a HELL of a lot more in total, occassionally going back to the Wii for certain exclusive games.
There is one device I'm finding myself playing more and more of and that is funnily enough, the Vita, ha ha. I really do love the Vita. Toukiden demo has got my attention and its now been pre-ordered, the character models espicially look amazing for the Vita. They seem pretty much PS3 quality!...and of course the game is fun too, ha ha. It gives me vibes of MH, Soul Sacrifice and Dynasty Warriors all in the same package, and all the good things about them for that matter. Playing this also got me back into playing Soul Sacrifice again to try beating this mission for defeating 2 Illcebras...which I still can't do, ha ha.
Then I got a bunch of PSP/PS1 games for Vita recently due to the Final Fantasy Sale and I wanted to play God Eater again (Which really makes me want to hope for God Eater 2 being localised for Vita!)
It probably really is my no. 1 played console atm, really sad and annoying it isnt taken advantage of more.
Even then, I can't really think of many 3DS games catching my eye for this year...at least yet. All I know is Smash Bros and Layton VS AA are on my list (And Majoras Mask 3D if that ends up being a thing).
As for Wii U, yeah I can't see them getting the 3rd party support they need. I think its a lost cause at this point. I mean cancelled dlc. I've never heard of such a thing. There are many issues with Nintendo just in terms of technology alone which stops 3rd party coming over, but I think the biggest problem is their focus on being child/family friendly. As long as they promote that image, the more less games will come to their platforms (Well apart from games focused at children/family sure). Though I admit, I saw the Monolith X trailers recently and this game alone makes me feel happy for owning a Wii U alone, ha ha. I think if this released now the Wii U would be looked at in a much more positive light and may help to further push the image "Nintendo isnt just for kids." Bayonetta 2 will help there too.
I do think it may just really be for the best if Nintendo goes 3rd party though eventually, depending on their future moves. Its just very ignorant of them that the Wii U has turned out how it has. People were seeing issues with the Wii throughout its life with the lack of 3rd party games, but of course all Nintendo saw was how much money the Wii made them and it made them ignorant to change and improve things for their next console and now it hasnt turned out like how they've hoped. Money shouldn't alone be what classes your product as success, but also how much it is used. For me at least, the Wii was used for a period after receiving it and enjoying it immensly, then I moved onto 360 and ended up using that a HELL of a lot more in total, occassionally going back to the Wii for certain exclusive games.
There is one device I'm finding myself playing more and more of and that is funnily enough, the Vita, ha ha. I really do love the Vita. Toukiden demo has got my attention and its now been pre-ordered, the character models espicially look amazing for the Vita. They seem pretty much PS3 quality!...and of course the game is fun too, ha ha. It gives me vibes of MH, Soul Sacrifice and Dynasty Warriors all in the same package, and all the good things about them for that matter. Playing this also got me back into playing Soul Sacrifice again to try beating this mission for defeating 2 Illcebras...which I still can't do, ha ha.
Then I got a bunch of PSP/PS1 games for Vita recently due to the Final Fantasy Sale and I wanted to play God Eater again (Which really makes me want to hope for God Eater 2 being localised for Vita!)
It probably really is my no. 1 played console atm, really sad and annoying it isnt taken advantage of more.
Dragonborn
Member
As long as Nintendo keeps delivering their exclusives, I'll be happy. PS4+Wii U = match made in heaven. Best of both worlds
I'm almost sure this means that an HD port of Monster Hunter 4 for Wii U will come out sometime in 2015. You can mark my words.
Not only does Capcom have enough time (about 1 year) to produce such a port, it will then also be published and distributed by Nintendo again, which is a huge plus. They literally ONLY have to do an HD port and everything else is gonna be taken care of. That makes too much sense financially, considering they can a) further expand their western audience for Mohun and b) be even more profitable than MH3U, which they themselves said was a financial success (and by all means it DID sell pretty decently), due to the higher install base in 2015.
Aaronrules380
Member
This is basically Nintendo's only option though at the moment. How is Nintendo supposed to strengthen the areas that they're weak at exactly? Moneyhatting major 3rd parties to the current wii u environment would almost certainly cost far too much money to be viable, and they simply don't have any experience in making their own games for the genres in question. Nintendo is great at making games, but that doesn't mean it'd be easy to break into a genre they have no real experience with. And before someone brings up Metroid prime as an FPS, it's extremely different to the dudebro, call of duty type FPS that is super popular. It's designed around single player and exploration and is really only similar in that its first person and you shoot things. The whole design philosophy is entirely different (Which is probably why when they did try to implement multiplayer to MP, it wasn't well received)
Freezie KO
Banned
Iwata said:
Is this even true? Isn't everything tanking on Wii U, including "children and family" games like Sonic?
Iwata said:
Which is, like, most of the important third-party games. And those games coincidentally also appeal to children because kids don't actually like being "targeted." They want to play what big kids play.
Pancakes R Us
Member
All I got from this statement is that third party support is going to stay exactly the same as it is on Wii U at the moment. Just a very long-winded way of saying it. It's the same response every single time.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
This was a 2.99 game on Android, where it came out several years ago, I doubt it is getting a retail release. Also the game's website is down.
The dev team doesn't have a publisher yet, so it's unclear to me how they will have a retail release. I suspect they will find a publisher in time, of course, but is it a guarantee that the publisher will be able to release Project Cars Wii U at retail? I'm not so sure. I would expect their primary target audience given the platforms and subject matter is the European PC retail market and the global PC DD market. It's clearly the kind of title that /could/ get a retail release, based on scope or whatever, but I wouldn't mark it down as confirmed.
"Please understand, nothing will change. But we expect Wii U to gain momentum."
KiTA
Member
Hooooly crap, that's an abysmal list. I knew the WiiU was doing bad, but... damn.
But hey, the worse it does the better the odds are someone will localize DQX just to say it has SOMETHING to play on it, so there's something, right?
Devilgunman
Member
What is the areas Nintendo excels at? Making a family console? Isn't that what the Wii was and how did everything turned out for 3rd party support? Iwata is out of his mind. He just can't comprehend the fact that handheld success can't be used as a footprint for console. Sure, 3ds got support from Japanese dev because that's the strongest market for a handheld console but the market is shrinking globally.
Infernal Monkey
Member
Yeah, it's been 'coming soon' to Wii U and 3DS ever since 2012. I'd say it's long since been cancelled. Amazon's listing still uses the confusing temporary box art and everything.
My reaction to that statement;
You don't say?
I mean, come on, you are stating the obvious. Problem is elsewhere, Nintendo, and you already dismissed as "not a problem". Ie. Marketing, gamepad value...
You don't say?
I mean, come on, you are stating the obvious. Problem is elsewhere, Nintendo, and you already dismissed as "not a problem". Ie. Marketing, gamepad value...
Iwata said:
Nintendo doesn't know how to gain third party support unless they literally control the market, at which point people have no choice but to obey Nintendo. So their plan to regain Wii U support is... ummm... control the market? Yeah, that'll work. I'm amazed that this company survived the PlayStation Portable.
I really think Nintendo needs to be considered as three separate entities, management, hardware, and software, not just hardware and software. Hardware and software are both major strengths of Nintendo, and when they work together they can change the world, but Nintendo's management is so incompetent, it's staggering. People blame Nintendo's hardware department for Nintendo's failure as a platform, but they're frequently brilliant and innovative. It's Nintendo's management that makes Nintendo's platform people's last choice platform to work on.
And I'm willing to put this all on Iwata. Yamauchi was a dick in the NES days, and he lost 50% marketshare with the SNES, but those failings can be ignored. The big failure, and the beginning of Nintendo's irrelevance, was the N64. That was the one to learn from. And that's when Yamauchi brought Iwata in, to help with management. Nintendo, with Iwata's involvement (or bumbling), tried to rebuild following the N64, did a half-assed job, and failed. But Iwata's takeaway from that failure was "don't try". Iwata can see the flaws in Nintendo, but he does nothing to fix them. And he was rewarded for that miserable attitude with the Wii, which might have been the worst thing that could've happened to Nintendo's management. And it seems Iwata has learned nothing from the failure of the Wii U. The guy is poison for Nintendo.
Poimandres
Member
If Nintendo wants third parties on the Wii U they will need to aggressively court them. This "build it and they will come" approach clearly DOES NOT WORK.
The Silver
Member
With regard to Wii U, we first need to create a strong foundation in areas Nintendo excels at and achieve a sufficient sales volume. If we manage to do so, those publishers in the overseas markets who are currently not interested in Wii U will be attracted to the Wii U platform, as they were to Nintendo 3DS. This is going to be our approach in the near future.
Holy fuck he's been saying the same damn thing since the Gamecube, this is unreal.
He needs to go........
Holy fuck he's been saying the same damn thing since the Gamecube, this is unreal.
He needs to go........
Aquamarine
Member
I seem to remember they announced it for retail way back then, but it definitely doesn't surprise me if the game won't actually end up releasing in any capacity.
I agree with some of things Iwata says and it will be interesting to see what happens going forward.
IMO Iwata is just trying to pretend that the Wii U isn't dead to prevent it from being put in an even worse position before the year is up.
IMO Iwata is just trying to pretend that the Wii U isn't dead to prevent it from being put in an even worse position before the year is up.
Seriously, dream on Iwata. Did you forget the Wii. A massive success with bugger all games catering to that spec-oriented audience you talked about. By the time you get enough Wii U's for them to be interested (10, 20m?) PS4 and XBO would be miles ahead and you'll be nearing peak/downside of the generation and why would they greenlight a Wii U version of a title that's 2 years away. At best you'll get some ports of stuff that's been out for a couile of years.
shinra-bansho
Member
Western third parties delving into the handheld "ghetto" I'll believe that when I see it.
It's always hard to tell whether Iwata is entirely out of touch with reality and actually believes his words, or is just a consummate snake oil salesman.
It's always hard to tell whether Iwata is entirely out of touch with reality and actually believes his words, or is just a consummate snake oil salesman.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Satoru Iwata said:
This means they'll persist their kiddy/family/casual approach from these last years. If they do so, nothing will change at all and these words will be nothing than empty promises as usual coming from Iwata. They need to drop this approach, this haven't been working, it's stupid to persist this strategy under their current situation.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
"We need to"... "We should"... "It appears".
More vague future talk. This guy is a complete clown.
More vague future talk. This guy is a complete clown.
Aquamarine
Member
Who stacked the Board with a bunch of yes-men and is purchasing stock to prevent a hostile takeover! Maybe Iwata isn't as much of a clown as you think he is...at least regarding his reign of tyranny.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Haha! Well that remains to be seenWho stacked the Board with a bunch of yes-men and is purchasing stock to prevent a hostile takeover! Maybe Iwata isn't as much of a clown as you think he is...at least regarding his reign of tyranny.
I just can't with this guy stating the frickin' obvious and his constant talk with no action. He's even referring to their next platform while barely addressing the crisis for the current one! Eugh.
Aaronrules380
Member
Because the wii u is pretty much dead at this point and he knows it. There really isn't anything that can be done to save the wii u. Nintendo is just buying time now to get to a new product because the wii u just didn't work out well for them. Or do you have some brilliant idea on how the wii u could be saved? And no, hemorrhaging money to money hat any of the major 3rd parties into developing for the wii u is really not a viable optionHaha! Well that remains to be seen
I just can't with this guy stating the frickin' obvious and his constant talk with no action. He's even referring to their next platform while barely addressing the crisis for the current one! Eugh.
Yagami_Sama
Member
Wait for some third parties to release some of their AAA games for Wii U,at least for now it is not a good idea and won't change anything.
The deal that Nintendo did with Platinum was unsuspected and brilliant. For now Nintendo should do the same. Reach some studios like Sega, mainly because of Atlus, Square, Capcom, Konami and try to put their popular IPs on WIi U.
The deal that Nintendo did with Platinum was unsuspected and brilliant. For now Nintendo should do the same. Reach some studios like Sega, mainly because of Atlus, Square, Capcom, Konami and try to put their popular IPs on WIi U.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
No, I don't really have a brilliant idea on how to save it, but that ain't my job
It just seems like he's been saying this same thing, or some variation thereof, for years now and nothing's changed.When you are lacking in expertise or understanding of something, you go and get people who do have what you lack, not throw up your hands and act like there's no other solution to the problem.
Aaronrules380
Member
They're already doing that though (Sonic Lost Worlds is a thing). But if the third parties don't see an audience, it really won't work out unless Nintendo pays more money than they can really afford to (and it still probably won't help much). Pretty much the only people Nintendo can really get at this point are small guys like Platinum and that clearly hasn't worked out very well for them.