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Iwata on third parties, hundreds of inquiries since GDC about Nintendo Web Framework
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Many weren't planning support before it launched and wouldn't regret anything even if sales were great. The games that are coming started development at least a year ago. I guess its good that Nintendo still has hope.
I hope Nintendo continues to try and get smaller devs,team up with then, and team up with the big third parties that are already supporting them . They need to continue publishing and marketing deals and offer whatever they can to keep what they have and build on it greatly. Most of all though they really need to crank out first party software like there is no tomorrow.
What is the big resolutin bump in this game?
I thought nothing in Nintendoland looked as good as the
Jeep scene
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGjgYfG630
Video is even in poor quality but still manages to impress, minor spoilers for a UC1 mission
It is the same cycle every time Nintendo launches a console.
A bunch of people crying over no games, no third party support and an underpowered console.
While I can understand the no games part, I have no doubt at all that Nintendo will put out a solid library in the short term and even more so in the long term. I think they have shown that with the 3DS recently.
Regarding 3rd party support, what should Iwata do? Buy exclusives? Did not help them with the GameCube and is rather expensive. Be the market leader? Did not do anything for them with the wii. Truth is: Nintendo will never have full 3rd party support. Their franchises are too strong and are targeting a demographic, the big publishers simply have no clue to attract (some big exceptions aside). Plus there are two strong platforms where the big publishers can chase that rather narrow (but big) demographic of adolescent male gamers. That was not the case when Nintendo had 3rd party support the last time (NES/SNES).
So they are going for the Indie scene and try to ramp up their own software output. What else should they do?
Joining the technological arms race with MS and Sony? I could not think of a faster way to ruin themselves... They are trying to think outside the box. Sometimes it works, sometimes it won't. I personally like many of the things they have tried but I have also arranged with the fact that I need an additional console to cover my gaming needs and that won't change.
Reading the vitriol of people who would only buy a Nintendo console if it was a XBox/PS4 clone (read: never) makes my head hurt as much as the delusional hopes that some here have for a spectacular turnaround of Nintendo and their support from big publishers.
A bunch of people crying over no games, no third party support and an underpowered console.
While I can understand the no games part, I have no doubt at all that Nintendo will put out a solid library in the short term and even more so in the long term. I think they have shown that with the 3DS recently.
Regarding 3rd party support, what should Iwata do? Buy exclusives? Did not help them with the GameCube and is rather expensive. Be the market leader? Did not do anything for them with the wii. Truth is: Nintendo will never have full 3rd party support. Their franchises are too strong and are targeting a demographic, the big publishers simply have no clue to attract (some big exceptions aside). Plus there are two strong platforms where the big publishers can chase that rather narrow (but big) demographic of adolescent male gamers. That was not the case when Nintendo had 3rd party support the last time (NES/SNES).
So they are going for the Indie scene and try to ramp up their own software output. What else should they do?
Joining the technological arms race with MS and Sony? I could not think of a faster way to ruin themselves... They are trying to think outside the box. Sometimes it works, sometimes it won't. I personally like many of the things they have tried but I have also arranged with the fact that I need an additional console to cover my gaming needs and that won't change.
Reading the vitriol of people who would only buy a Nintendo console if it was a XBox/PS4 clone (read: never) makes my head hurt as much as the delusional hopes that some here have for a spectacular turnaround of Nintendo and their support from big publishers.
Zoramon089
Banned
A big lie? Just compare them! People keep posting Kameo and forget games like even MGS3 had areas with tons of grass in it. What made it impressive was the resolution bump and more extensive use of bump/normal mapping as opposed to simply raw polygons. But I'm saying the best of that gen, Ninja Gaiden Black, Doom 3, RE4, MGS3, Splinter Cell:CT, MP2 compared to the launch titles of the 360 and PS3 held up remarkably well
And it's not my fault you're getting pissy about the PS4. If you think it was only Wii U threads where people thought Killzone looked no better than Crysis 3 (which makes no sense. I thought Wii U fanboys didn't play other systems?) then I suggest you going back and reading those threads again...
cartman414
Member
I actually think the gamepad is awesome. Off TV play for the win.
That said, Sony has really made them look foolish with hardware that isn't just more powerful, but also developer friendly. So what if it's PC-like? In this day and age of overlap and resultant crossports, that's simply a good thing. At this point, it wouldn't have hurt Nintendo to at least try going after something similar (i. e. low TDP x86), even if it were less powerful.
Nintendo needs someone like Mark Cerny on board to supervise the design of their next console.
Not even the jeep scene looks better than Nintendoland, no.
Can you show me a video of a section of Nintendoland that looks better than the jeep scene in UC1? Because i am pretty sure ive played all the minigames and nothing was visually impressive even compared to older PS3 and 360 games.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
If quantifiable things were never misunderstood the world would have been a much different place.
See the entire review. Every scene that's not in 2D looks far better than the jeep scene and any scene in UC1. Hell, plenty of games on last gen systems and the Wii U look better than UC1.
Okay, i disagree, nothing looks visually impressive at all. Lack of detail and all the games are "small" as many mini games are confined to a single "scene".
Most of them look just like any random Xbox Live release
We can always agree on one thing: to disagree, and move on.
The lighting is heads and shoulders above anything in the uncharted games. The artstyle is ass, but ultimately the game does look better.
Your opinions are what you could call upside down.
The artstyle in Nintendoland isn't ass? What?
Console Warz
Just another day on Gaf I guess.
I don't know, but i think we all agree to steer the car back on track/on topic.
I will probably sound horribly blunt now, I will rub someone the wrong way I know, but to me, the moment you decide to play on a console, you have already forsaken technical prowness in favor of accessibility.
As such, from my point of view, spending too much time talking/discussing over specs won't bring us to any good. Consoles aren't made with power in mind, that has never been the case. And that's not something subject to change, it seems. PC is where it is at.
What I will agree on, from the technical standpoint, is how troubled wiiu's future looks, given it's architecture: too alien compared to the others. Sony managed to overcome such terrifying hurdle, will nintendo do the same? I'd say yes. They are better poised on the market than sony ever was in 2006/2007.
As such, from my point of view, spending too much time talking/discussing over specs won't bring us to any good. Consoles aren't made with power in mind, that has never been the case. And that's not something subject to change, it seems. PC is where it is at.
What I will agree on, from the technical standpoint, is how troubled wiiu's future looks, given it's architecture: too alien compared to the others. Sony managed to overcome such terrifying hurdle, will nintendo do the same? I'd say yes. They are better poised on the market than sony ever was in 2006/2007.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
I see Iwata already behaving as an American CEO, what happened to the Japanese Culture, honor and shame and being an expert.
I actually agree.
I like Wonderful 101 very much but Knack is on a whole other level. Like, approaching "photorealism" level.
The more I look at the Knack the more I want it. Looks like a fucking CGI cartoon.
Wii-U is under-powered, that's a fact. Hamstringing the console with that CPU was idiotic.
Is the Wii U so different architecture wise then?
Oh it runs at 1080 p, which would constitute a doubling in resolution? Fantastic news.
The funny thing about opinions is that no ones is the same.
The best thing about it is that they are two completely different series.
Grimhammer
Neo Member
I can't help but think...does Ninny care about gamers? Think about it. Their a business...out to make profit.
Well, that's not happening at the moment. So maybe they'll be forced to care unlike during the Wii years.
If they really wanted to.....couldn't they hire many many more to meet demand? I mean they have the cash right? If they were serious...couldn't they acquire the resources to churn out like a 1st party top notch game a month?
Well, that's not happening at the moment. So maybe they'll be forced to care unlike during the Wii years.
If they really wanted to.....couldn't they hire many many more to meet demand? I mean they have the cash right? If they were serious...couldn't they acquire the resources to churn out like a 1st party top notch game a month?
I'm not a tech expert, mind you, but I can state that for sure PowerPC is couple of orders of magnitude more familiar than the Cell ever was at its debut, which was totally new and unexplored territory.
I'm sure there is an array of minutiae devs will have to struggle with here and there, like, how to put under adequate load the custom parts of the machine etc.
Unknown One
Member
Like you said they are a business. This same company that doesn't package a charger in the 3DS package for EU.
Eh, that's bringing my argument to the extreme, so to say
.I think the pricetag battle is going to be the next interesting battlefield. I'll wait further developments with a bathed breadth.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Jesus! Who are you going to believe, Refreshment or your lying eyes? It took a good long while for me to be impressed with the 360's graphics and I know a lot of now happy 360 owners who felt the same way.
It just wasn't that big of a jump.
With everyone quite confident that we were dealing with launch jitters and rushed games. You had improvements, particularly in resolution. The Wii U has not shown any substantial improvements on its predecessors. People keep touting Need for Speed or Trine 2. If they were running at 1080 p I would agree, but instead they are boasting incredibly modest improvements and to no one's surprise. The entire system only drains 45 watts during use. There is no expectation of any vast improvement. While the Xbox 360's specs screamed of dramatically more powerful hardware than the generation preceding it. Which is something many people like to conveniently forget. The Xbox 360 was full of promise, the Wii U is not.
Compared to the PS4 I don't think you can dispute that the Wii U just isn't in the same ballpark in terms of raw horsepower. I just wish people would accept that this wasn't incompetence on Nintendo's part, but a conscious decision to devote the cost of the console elsewhere (the control interface). You can debate how stupid/smart that decision was, but let's not pretend Nintendo didn't have a clue as to how powerful Sony's and Microsoft's successor consoles would be.
As for Nintendo fanboy arguments, over a year of analysis and speculation in various threads suggests the Wii U's architecture is more similar to that of the PS4 and next Xbox than it is to the PS3 and 360, just with a lot less raw power. That's why the "seven year-old tech" comments are technically inaccurate. As for how that will pan out, there's no way to know for now.
As for Nintendo fanboy arguments, over a year of analysis and speculation in various threads suggests the Wii U's architecture is more similar to that of the PS4 and next Xbox than it is to the PS3 and 360, just with a lot less raw power. That's why the "seven year-old tech" comments are technically inaccurate. As for how that will pan out, there's no way to know for now.
Zoramon089
Banned
As opposed to Sony or MS or any other non-profit?
Watch the first two minutes to hear them talk about larger resolution textures, lighting, and draw distance.
KojiKnight
Member
Honestly, it would be a VERY smart thing for indies to make a move into the Wii U now in any way they can, and yes that includes the web development kits.
We can talk about Nintendo being "doomed" all we want, history has shown time and time again though that if nothing else, Nintendo is great at recovering from it's misfortunes.
Right now, there is VERY little competition on the Wii U... it's the perfect time and system to focus on to try and get new brands/titles out from an INDIE perspective. Even if the Wii U sells "only" 20 million in it's life time (an par with the gamecube), that still leaves lots of room to get your brand in and noticed before the harder sales come (and once the big Mario and Zelda titles are out, it will)
We can talk about Nintendo being "doomed" all we want, history has shown time and time again though that if nothing else, Nintendo is great at recovering from it's misfortunes.
Right now, there is VERY little competition on the Wii U... it's the perfect time and system to focus on to try and get new brands/titles out from an INDIE perspective. Even if the Wii U sells "only" 20 million in it's life time (an par with the gamecube), that still leaves lots of room to get your brand in and noticed before the harder sales come (and once the big Mario and Zelda titles are out, it will)
cartman414
Member
From PS4/Nextbox, which are going x86? Yep.
H_Prestige
Banned
Ignoring that the "7 year old" comments are obviously referring to performance and not how "new" the chips are, how do you figure the architecture is more similar to ps4/720? The CPU is IBM three core like the 360, and the CELL also uses an IBM core. The ps4/720 use AMD x86 arch. It's also using a discrete CPU and GPU while the two next gen consoles use a single APU. I'm not an expert by any means, but I would think that's a huge change in architecture going to APU.
I see. Well I doubt that changes much for Wii U anyway. It will be a Nintendo box with or without similar architecture.
Refreshment.01
Member
Project Gotham 3, Kameo and Pefect Dark Zero are not marginal improvements over the previous gen, they exhibit a complexity of effects well above what previous gen offered. Then you had previous gen ports running at twice the resolution with better AA, anisotropic filtering, in general with better image quality. Not equal or never worse... but better. How many Wii U ports run from 360 AAA games run at 1080P? Mass Effect, CoD, BAtman?
As you can see it's a world of difference to the situation you have with the Wii U, that's just plain reality.
That's the biggest compliment you could make to KZ 4. A launch game that looks comparable to what a highend PC's which cards that alone would cost what the entire PS4 probably will cost or 80% (asuming a 7950ish card), but yea, biggest kudos you can come up with.
You are just lying to make yourself feel better about the console. Don't know why you need to reach those heights, just accept reality.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
don't look at incompetence and or stupidity as mutually exclusive but rather a combination of the two
because reality can be a cruel bitch sometimes, especially if your a Nintendo fan
test_account
XP-39C²
Consoles have often been made with power in mind though. The "problem" is that they are fixed systems and the hardware cant be upgraded as time goes by, so in comparison to PC, they will fall short behind as time goes by indeed. But power/graphics capabilities are a factor being concidered when they're being made. Its also something being concidered to make sure that the system doesnt feel outdated very fast.
I like Wonderful 101 very much but Knack is on a whole other level. Like, approaching "photorealism" level.
To each his own , but nothing about this game looks fun at the moment. It's the cute Sony game that I end up trying because it looks different and usually end up being bored with.
H_Prestige
Banned
Which requires a lot more hardware power to pull off...
Wii U can't even manage that. Some cases it's worse.
Actually, they are swinging back in favor of the PS3 which started with the Slim and Kinect releases. I mean PS3 was doing horribly, but now 360 and PS3 are practically tied in hardware sales. Also, this type of thinking ignores just how numerous 'everyone else' can be, as the success of the Wii can attest to. It also ignores that many core gamers who had bought a 360 before Microsoft started their focus on everyone else... already own a 360 and thus have very little reason to switch to PS3 if they are only a fan of third party franchises. They might jump to PS4 over Durango though.
There is a comparative difference between the PS1-era gamer and the dudebro gamer. I knew what people would call a dudebro gamer in college... He owned a PS2 and only played EA Sports games and GTA. Meanwhile, I find it hard to believe that Kingdom Hearts did not appeal to young children as it was a game based on Disney franchises. I also know that Final Fantasy back in the day appealed to women more. There is a marked difference between the audience for Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts and the audience for GTA and Halo.
I'll admit that using the term dudebro is a generalization as I myself know of many who are fans of games that would fall under that label. Hell, I myself am a fan of the GTA series though I prefer Saints Row now, am interested in Mass Effect, and have tried my hand at Halo and Gears, though I have not gotten into either. I also won't say that trying to win the core wasn't a bad decision for Nintendo. I mean, if these companies wouldn't even support the Wii, they ain't going to support anything from Nintendo unless they make a box exactly like the other two and even I doubt they will do that even then. Nintendo should really just have continued down their own path.