Pancakes R Us
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This cannot be stated enough. Do not assume when it comes to Nintendo and this situation. If anything, you should assume they're gonna manage to find a fucke up way of doing it that doesn't address the problem.
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Iwata says Nintendo will definitively embrace universal accounts in the future
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Captain Smoker
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They don't refer to their next batch of hardware systems with "platform", they refer to their overall hardware ecosystem, which includes 3DS & Wii U.
That's a good decision, now bring it fast.
That's a good decision, now bring it fast.
LOL...Nintendo will embrace ANYTHING at this point if you promise to buy their products. They really need to look at the market and invest all the money they are saving with the heads taking a 30% pay cut and put that into market research.
Or they can do one simple thing. MAKE IT EASY TO PORT GAMES. Easy as that, if they could easily port PS4/XB1 to the Wii U it wouldn't be in it's current situation but instead they wanna make a console sooo different and they expect 3rd party devs to figure out how to work around their new strange hardware, online and control schemes. That is not working well for them. Wii was still left out of many top games and that system sold well.
Or they can do one simple thing. MAKE IT EASY TO PORT GAMES. Easy as that, if they could easily port PS4/XB1 to the Wii U it wouldn't be in it's current situation but instead they wanna make a console sooo different and they expect 3rd party devs to figure out how to work around their new strange hardware, online and control schemes. That is not working well for them. Wii was still left out of many top games and that system sold well.
Off-Kilter
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Future platforms? C'mon man.
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Deleted member 17706
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It's been said a ton already (on this page even), but "Nintendo's future platform" = NNID. The NNID will be a device-agnostic platform used to connect with consumers. That's their plan.
Whoever translated that English slide fucked up by making it plural.
"In addition, we tried to encourage consumers to upgrade from an existing handheld device to a new handheld device, or from an existing console to a new console, by providing backward compatibility that enabled them to take their software assets from their existing system. However, we became disconnected with our consumers with the launch of each new device as we could only form device-based relationships."
"This is the first step of our efforts to transform customer relationship management from device-based to account-based, namely, consumer-based, through which we aim to establish long-term relationships with individual consumers, unaffected by the lifespans of our systems"
"Of course, when we do launch new hardware in the future, rather than re-creating an installed base from scratch as we did in the past, we wish to build on our existing connections with our consumers through NNIDs and continue to maintain them. "
He uses backward compatibility tied to hardware as an introduction to an account based system and specifically says they'll use the current NNIDs. The games you buy digitally are tied to the NNIDs.
Now, we don't know if the next consoles will be backwards compatible, it could be a PS4 scenario, but the purchases we make now will stay on our account and that is the problem with the lack of an account system. It's important to realize that we already have accounts, they're just tied to hardware.
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Deleted member 17706
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They aren't holding this off until the next generation of consoles... sigh.
Captain Smoker
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The only thing that I see is reading incompetence.
Edit: Granted, OP doesn't include link to the briefing and picture of the slideshow.
LegendOfFalcon
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OP needs to update the first post with the slide that has been posted so people don't miss it.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Would be nice if they integrated the Wii and the DSi downloadable titles into this account system. Something tells me those are just going to be lost in a void somewhere.
Maleko Saint
Banned
Was rather hoping we'd see this sooner rather than later, but at least they're doing it at some point.
Don't bother, he is on a roll.
Some people really convinced themselves these past days that either Nintendo will drop the Gamepad and sell the Wii U for $100 and/or they will go third party and there is a lot of anger that these unrealistic expectations weren't fulfilled.
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Deleted member 17706
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I don't think that will help. Whoever translated the slide at Nintendo fucked up and made "platform" plural, so people will think they are talking about the next handheld and console.
AstroNut325
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Always a decade behind eh Iwata?
phosphor112
Banned
When I was reading the slides yesterday and I got to this section, I just couldn't stop laughing. Because it's so fucking stupid for them to be having this issue in 20fucking14. They straight up said the 3DS wasn't made to have an account system, but they sorta got one working.
Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Fire the whole lot of them. How stupid can they be?!
Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Fire the whole lot of them. How stupid can they be?!
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Deleted member 17706
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It's not your fault. Whoever did this rush translation job on the presentation made it confusing. Within the original context, it's clear as day that they are talking about the NNID as being their platform going forward. Up until now, the platforms have been separated, but from "here on out" (which is what the Japanese says--not "future") the platform with which Nintendo interacts with its customers will be the NNID to which multiple devices can be connected.
Honestly, it's disappointing that Nintendo can't even get their shit together for a proper English translation. It makes me think they outsourced it to someone with no context or someone who just didn't give a damn. Very disappointing for a company who really needs to get their English messaging clear.
CriterionDog
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Oh my god, seriously Nintendo. I love you, but you guys seriously cannot be this backwards. How can the Wii U NOT have an account system? Ugh. I LOVE digital download, but I am pretty terrified of losing my games if my CONSOLE was stolen. Yeesh.
Captain Smoker
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And Iwata says "Our future platform will connect with our consumers based on accounts, not devices."
Part of this strategy is that 3DS got NNIDs as he stated (Step 2), therefore, they're part of this platform.
And the japanese original プラットフォーム is singular - platform.
The slideshow picture has a translation error.
Original - Singular:
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Deleted member 17706
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Well, the English is confusing, so I wouldn't blame him too much.
It shouldn't say "future" and platform shouldn't be plural.
LegendOfFalcon
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Ok so lets also include this paragraph here that shows that their future "platform" is the NNID and not the hardware tied to it. Nintendo isn't going to wait for future hardware to start this transition. They began it already when they connected the 3DS to the NNID. The next step is bringing smartphones into it (I expect we will see that soon, before end of the summer). The next obvious step after that will be transitioning from device-centric to NNID-centric (the last step in unifying the account for WiiU and 3DS). If they are smart they would have this done by the end of 2014, but I'm not sure they will get it done by the end of the year.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html
Mithos
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Even if thats the case, until there are real account system on Wii U, I'm not touching and apps/games digitally. Nintendo need to make it so that I can just log in on ANY Wii U console with my account and download/play what I have purchased on my NNID before I get anything digital.
I'd like to know what does "In the future" means? 2-3 years? Or 7-8 years later?
Captain Smoker
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The question is how long this will take, while Wii U & 3DS are part of this platform, Nintendo could be slow enough (I hope not) that we still don't see it for those systems.
We'll see, their digital revenues should increase by a good amount if they get rid of this.
velvet_nitemare
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Non-wearable accounts?
Imperfected
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I'm not particularly enamored with the business decisions they've made, but it's nice to see they've at least come to realize some of their shortfalls on the gaming side of things.
I'm reasonably confident this will include Wii-U and 3DS because digital sales revenue is on of the few places they've actually seen respectable growth. They're going to want to encourage and cultivate that however they can, so it should be a very high priority now that they've finally stopped being so obstinate about doing it.
I'm reasonably confident this will include Wii-U and 3DS because digital sales revenue is on of the few places they've actually seen respectable growth. They're going to want to encourage and cultivate that however they can, so it should be a very high priority now that they've finally stopped being so obstinate about doing it.
Garcia
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That's how it feels when you read it. It's very sad to realize it took them almost 10 years to find the missing thread and even sadder that it'll take them years to reach a point of functionality.
Dr. Buni
Member
Yep. Would skip the 3DS as well, but I need dem Monster Hunter games.
ChainsawFilms
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Recently picked up a 3DS XL and, yeah, the whole account stuff is a mess. I'd heard about, but still couldn't believe how crap it was. Looks thrown together in an afternoon.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The vision for NNID's:
<Under the Hood>
<Above The Fold>
<Under the Hood>
<Above The Fold>
What, digital games from the DS and Wii transferred over to the 3DS and Wii U, respectively. And this is not just about transferring between console generations, it's also about transferring between the same consoles (for when people upgrade, rebuy, or lose a console). Of course it would have made a difference had they implemented it last generation.
Over time, I have learned that when Iwata leads a bright idea with any of the following phrases: "we are considering," "we are thinking about," "we've taken first steps to..." that it's best to adopt the following viewpoint:
I'll believe it when I see it.
But yay, at least he's saying it now. Cute, I guess.
I'll believe it when I see it.
But yay, at least he's saying it now. Cute, I guess.
mdtauk
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So had they had NNIDs last gen, that would have made the Wii U sell well??? You really believe that?
Captain Smoker
Member
Actually, that could be it.
NNID-accounts that includes all the information from your various devices, starting with their hardware systems, over smartphones and then combined with their new lifestyle products.. or something like that.
They basically wan't to get rid of the fact that they have to rebuild their consumer base every time and that's because of the hardware.
New hardware generations or new hardware generally brings the problem that it get's outdated over time and you have to innovate yourself to have a place in the market and if your innovation isn't good enough (or other market problems), you loose people that you have to get back with new products and so on.