outunderthestars
Banned
Not sure how this is possible, but somehow this is the first I have heard of this port!
so pumped!
so pumped!
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Jak & Daxter The Precursor Legacy PS4 vs PS3 Graphics Comparison
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I'm a huge fan of this game and just got my code, so I tried it out immediately to compare the versions.
The biggest visual issue of the PS4 version hasn't been mentioned yet as far as I've seen: Ground textures use extremy low res mip-maps (I hope that's the correct term), so the whole ground becomes a single-color blur the further away it's from the camera. The PS2 probably couldn't handle large ground textures, but it probably also wasn't that much of an issue at the original resolution. The PS3 version fixed this completely and looks much nicer IMO, especially in the big open areas of the game.
Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is that camera control is now inverted compared to the original version with no option to change it back (or non-inverted, by modern standards), so if you're used to that it's a little jarring.
IQ-wise, I had hoped the higher resolution of the PS2 emulator would make a difference, but the jaggies look about the same to me.
The framerate gets choppy at certain points when you're at the edge of a large area and turn around to see everything. That's probably accurate to the PS2 version (I can't really remember).
So, in summary:
PS2 on PS4 version:
+ 4:3 aspect ratio option
+ more accurate effects
- super blurry ground textures
- low res blocky shadows
- more framerate hiccups (using 60 Hz and PS4 Pro Boost mode)
- inverted camera controls only
PS3 version
+ fixed ground textures and shadows
+ better framerate
+ option for standard or inverted camera
- no 4:3
- some shiny metal effects missing
Overall, I prefer the PS3 version due to the ground textures, since the widescreen has never bothered me.
The biggest visual issue of the PS4 version hasn't been mentioned yet as far as I've seen: Ground textures use extremy low res mip-maps (I hope that's the correct term), so the whole ground becomes a single-color blur the further away it's from the camera. The PS2 probably couldn't handle large ground textures, but it probably also wasn't that much of an issue at the original resolution. The PS3 version fixed this completely and looks much nicer IMO, especially in the big open areas of the game.
Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is that camera control is now inverted compared to the original version with no option to change it back (or non-inverted, by modern standards), so if you're used to that it's a little jarring.
IQ-wise, I had hoped the higher resolution of the PS2 emulator would make a difference, but the jaggies look about the same to me.
The framerate gets choppy at certain points when you're at the edge of a large area and turn around to see everything. That's probably accurate to the PS2 version (I can't really remember).
So, in summary:
PS2 on PS4 version:
+ 4:3 aspect ratio option
+ more accurate effects
- super blurry ground textures
- low res blocky shadows
- more framerate hiccups (using 60 Hz and PS4 Pro Boost mode)
- inverted camera controls only
PS3 version
+ fixed ground textures and shadows
+ better framerate
+ option for standard or inverted camera
- no 4:3
- some shiny metal effects missing
Overall, I prefer the PS3 version due to the ground textures, since the widescreen has never bothered me.
That is a strange resolution!
Jimnymebob
Member
Wait, so is horizontal camera not inverted now?
That sucks.
That sucks.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Weird, and disappointing.
Thanks, this is a really useful breakdown.
OP, any way to add the much superior VG Tech comparison video and this breakdown to the OP?
Yup, Pro could easily take these games higher.
pretty done
Member
They don't even update their own games for the Pro lol
This clearly should have been PS4 ports of the PS3 version, not sure what the hell they were thinking. Straight up botch.
Bought the season pass, uc lost legacy was free to preorder 2 days ago on eu store and got jak and the dynamic theme
RayCharlizard
Member
I guess it's double buffer v-sync that's dropping the frame rate to 30 in cutscenes? Really hope that can be patched. I'll probably still pick up this version.
Still salty about the Vita port. Ugh. Makes me so mad.
This port overall is pretty disappointing on further examination (particularly the textures), but I've still been enjoying it. If PS4 had PS3 backwards compatibility, I would probably play the PS3 collection instead, but it is what it is.
I'd also agree that the PS3 version overall looks better. Missing effects be damned, it performed and looked just better. This truly is just the PS2 version with seemingly very little done through emulation to improve it. The frame dips are pretty constant, the visuals(especially texture blending) really do appear very aged, and there is a severe lack of AA or other beneficial filtering to clean up the grunge.
That said, I'm having a great time revisiting it all the same, but PS3 collection owners aren't missing out by skipping(unless you want another platinum).
It's a specific NA issue. (Just lots of rumors surrounding a last minute promo change, and confusing wording on the LL pre-order page)
That said, I'm having a great time revisiting it all the same, but PS3 collection owners aren't missing out by skipping(unless you want another platinum).
It's a specific NA issue. (Just lots of rumors surrounding a last minute promo change, and confusing wording on the LL pre-order page)
That really sucks!
512*448 was a common PS2 resolution. I assume the doubling of the horizontal resolution only has to do with the game originally being interlaced.
Yeah, though I meant for the PS4 since that's not even a common res for PS2 to PS4 games. And yes, the game was originally interlaced.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
PS4 not missing details like the stars in the beginning, shiny effects on metals, textures look sharper, colors are faithful to the original game and not altered like the PS3 version and the ressolution is better.
It's still doubling both axis - if vertical resolves at exactly 448 that just means the deinterlacer on the emulator must be really bad (I've noticed similar with Dark Cloud 1, now that I think about it).ascii42 said:
Also I'm pretty sure Jak was supersampled vertically (so each 224 field is downsampled from full 448 buffer), giving a 2xSSAA effect. But with PS4 emulator doing post-process on top it's probably hard to measure that.
See above.Timu said:
boredandlazy
Member
Inverted camera only? Not even going to bother now.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Oh yeah. I forgot you couldn't change them in the game options. I was surprised when I opened the binoculars yesterday. Also no subtitle option in the game.
I apologize for making this port/emulation sound better than it was. I didn't run into very many dips yet, likely due tothe Boost Mode on PRO, but they're clearly there for OG PS4 users, which is a shame. Also, I'm shocked at how low the resolution is. Clearly I was mistaken I thought things looked a tad fuzzy perhaps, but chalked chalked it up to PS2 era textures These games are marketed as "PS2 Classics in HD!" , but this release doesn't come close to any kind of HD resolution.
I will say that the VG Tech video did make an error in saying the HD Collection was 720p, but it's actually only 640p, and not truly HD. Really, I still don't think the PS3 version is superior to this, as even with the higher resolution and smoother performance, the missing effects and especially the cropped widescreen are dealbreakers for me. The game also feels pretty good on a DS4. But still, I'm disappointed with how little effort was put into this. I mean, at least get the game running in HD like every other PS2 Classic, and make sure it's running smoothly, y'know? I wonder if the other Jak games will be the same? Poor Jak.
I will say that the VG Tech video did make an error in saying the HD Collection was 720p, but it's actually only 640p, and not truly HD. Really, I still don't think the PS3 version is superior to this, as even with the higher resolution and smoother performance, the missing effects and especially the cropped widescreen are dealbreakers for me. The game also feels pretty good on a DS4. But still, I'm disappointed with how little effort was put into this. I mean, at least get the game running in HD like every other PS2 Classic, and make sure it's running smoothly, y'know? I wonder if the other Jak games will be the same? Poor Jak.
that costs a lot more money and effort than simply dumping the ISO and brute forcing the original game to run.
ResidentDante
Member
Holy fuck that Vita 20fps, lol. A shame the PS4 has drops, still gonna play it though. Haven't played Jak 1 since PS2!
Corleth the Fey
Member
You do remember that the Y axis on the camera doesn't do anything in this game normally, right?
Surprised at the posters preferring a port of the PS3 version here. As an owner of every version of Jak 1 - this new version is my favourite.
I figured they were talking X-axis. Back then, third person games were frequently inverted from what we are now used to.
I hate this icon so much:
^ too messy
It's the original boxart
Guess it doesn't work as well as an icon.
Probably worse in every way. Hell, it's worse than the ps3 version.
It's the original boxart
Guess it doesn't work as well as an icon.
box art for PAL version was slightly different, btw:
would be better if they used ^ this image instead. For comparison:
HueyFreeman
Banned
Finally had a chance to boot this up.... I don't think I can play this version, the texture streaming issue is too egregious, especially when a perfectly competent PS3 version exists. I probably wasn't going to play it in 4:3 anyway, so I guess I'll give this a miss
ResidentDante
Member
Been playing this though the weekend, framedrops are annoying, but luckily still playable.
it's incredible how well Jak controls, I booted up the Crash Remaster again afterwards and man the Bandicoot controls like shit in comparison.
it's incredible how well Jak controls, I booted up the Crash Remaster again afterwards and man the Bandicoot controls like shit in comparison.
I hate this icon so much:
^ too messy
What is with the sudden influx of people getting upset at icons? First there's the Snake Pass thread and now this. They're thumbnails that you click on to launch the game, that's their purpose. They're not art. You're not just sitting there staring at your home screen admiring it.
wait, you ask me why people don't like unaesthetic and ugly stuff?
Leatherhide
Neo Member
Yes. I missed out on the original game cause my parents bought me an Xbox instead back then, but I played the PS3 remake about 4 or 5 years ago and really enjoyed it. Unless you're not into platformers, I highly recommend playing it.
BigEmil
Junior Member
I just got to a spot in the game that keeps blue screening everytime
ResidentDante
Member
I'd like to warn everyone: Patch 1.02, which forces the game to 60Hz crashes the game in cutscenes. I'm guessing the PAL version could run 60Hz in gameplay, while it reverted to 50Hz in cutscenes, thus resulting in crashes when forced to 60Hz throughout.
I hope they fix this!! Otherwise the game is impossible to complete 100%
I hope they fix this!! Otherwise the game is impossible to complete 100%
funkystudent
Member
Was just gonna post about this.
I am about 80% into it now but every time I talk to these two NPC's and a cutscene happens the game will crash at some point during the cutscene.
Real annoying.
Googling and people on reddit are yelling about it too and it looks like it effects every medium to long cut scene and even getting through the intro is a lottery of its own now.
They bothered to remove the 50hrz toggle so I hope they are bothered enough to fix whatever the broke removing it.
btw, they pushed new update today 1.03 (no any notes in change log except "Bug fixes"). So maybe it's already fixed.
ResidentDante
Member
Thanks! Excellent news, I can get back to completing the game!
Really? That's cool!
Jimnymebob
Member
Nice. Hopefully they can get it running identically to the PS2 version at some point in the future.
I'm still annoyed by the inverted camera controls. I know that technically they're not inverted now, and in line with most 3rd person games nowadays, but 16 years of muscle memory is hard to change.