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[slit]

I'm insinuating that goal posts have moved from nothing will happen to pardons for everyone. Excuse my French, but something tells me the feds won't only bring charges that will be wiped with a pen swipe. I also believe he'll be out of office when he gets his.

There is no federal crime that can't be pardoned by him, including treason. He can also pardon before any official charges are levied.

 

[Host Samurai]

There is no federal crime that can't be pardoned by him, including treason. He can also pardon before any official charges are levied.

So he won't suffer any charges? He can pretty much get away with murder?

 

[BronsonLee]

Any state charge he cannot touch.

 

[slit]

So he won't suffer any charges? He can pretty much get away with murder?

He can from federal charges and yes that includes murder. Whether or not he can pardon himself is a little murky though but his relatives he absolutely can.

 

[theWB27]

There is no federal crime that can't be pardoned by him, including treason. He can also pardon before any official charges are levied.

So like i stated, this will be the new nothing will happen line.

 

[Ogodei]

So he won't suffer any charges? He can pretty much get away with murder?

Right, but to most presidents pardoning your son-in-law for shooting a guy would be seen as a bad thing.

This is too complex of a concept for Trump to understand.

 

[slit]

So like i stated, this will be the new nothing will happen line.

Well sorry if you don't like discussion but I never took the original position that "nothing" would happen to him. Those posts were mostly hit and run without an explanation.

 

[theWB27]

Well sorry if you don't like discussion but I never took the original position that "nothing" would happen to him. Those posts were mostly hit and run without an explanation.

I'm not meaning this is your stance... I'm saying the pardon argument will be used for that purpose.

 

[slit]

I'm not meaning this is your stance... I'm saying the pardon argument will be used for that purpose.

I see, understood.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Pardoning all involved will not help Trump avoid impeachment. As for a GOP replacement pardoning Trump, I believe there is real potential for that but it will be even more damaging to the party, in my opinion. He also has potential State charges following, which they can do nothing about. Unlike with Nixon, pardoning Trump will not remove him from the spotlight.

 

[Loki]

I'd like to think that a President pardoning himself (if it's possible) for something of this nature and magnitude wouldn't sit well with the American people on either end of the political spectrum. If he did it, and we didn't have an immediate movement for impeachment by Congress, there might very well be tremendous civil upheaval.

 

[Host Samurai]

Pardoning all involved will not help Trump avoid impeachment. As for a GOP replacement pardoning Trump, I believe there is real potential for that but it will be even more damaging to the party, in my opinion. He also has potential State charges following, which they can do nothing about. Unlike with Nixon, pardoning Trump will not remove him from the spotlight.

So he goes back to his currupt life like nothing happens? I hope he at the very least loses his businesses and is made an example of.

 

[slit]

I'd like to think that a President pardoning himself for something of this nature and magnitude wouldn't sit well with the American people on either end of the political spectrum. If he did it, and we didn't have an immediate movement for impeachment by Congress, there might very well be tremendous civil upheaval.

It's not even clear he can pardon himself. He can pardon those around him. If he pardoned himself that would be uncharted waters.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

There is no federal crime that can't be pardoned by him, including treason. He can also pardon before any official charges are levied.

He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't face charges

 

[Loki]

It's not even clear he can pardon himself. He can pardon those around him. If he pardoned himself that would be uncharted waters.

Yup, I'm aware. I edited my post to make that clear.

 

[slit]

He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't face charges

From federal charges? It's not clear. I'm talking about his inner circle.

 

[BronsonLee]

So he goes back to his currupt life like nothing happens? I hope he at the very least loses his businesses and is made an example of.

Depends on how it all shakes out

 

[Felix Lighter]

I'd like to think that a President pardoning himself (if it's possible) for something of this nature and magnitude wouldn't sit well with the American people on either end of the political spectrum. If he did it, and we didn't have an immediate movement for impeachment by Congress, there might very well be tremendous civil upheaval.

It would be invalidated by the courts, I have no doubt. It isn't explicitly forbidden but it is such an absurd abuse of power that the courts will find a way to interpret the Constitution to avoid that kind of insanity.

 

[DietRob]

Is pardon the new nothing will happen? Kind of feels like it.

yep, seems that way to me too.

 

[TetraGenesis]

So he won't suffer any charges? He can pretty much get away with murder?

Don't worry! There are checks and balances in place to ensure no one that corrupt ever has that much power in government!

...oh wait.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

From federal charges? It's not clear. I'm talking about his inner circle.

Yeah, I know, I was making a joke based on the infamous Trump quote

 

[Stinkles]

If there was ever a presidency to test the limits of the power to pardon, it's this presidency. The fact that we are seriously having this discussion three months into it is shameful.