SakkanartSilentJealousy
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PS2 slim cost is so cheap so that can sell below $199 to hit mass market and the price never happens for late Sony's consoles.
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Woopah
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They didn't leave the home console market, they just needed to find a way to appeal to the both the home console and portable markets with one software ecosystem (since it was no longer feasible to support two seperate ecosystems).
Home console experiences sell well on Switch, so its clearly still appealing to that market.
The figures we had from Sony was that PS2 was over 155 million shipped. Now we know its at 160 million shipped.
This isn't a guess or an estimate, this is being said by someone who has access to the numbers. There's very little reason to doubt it.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think Sony are the desperate ones here.
Imtjnotu
Member
still have mine here
DaGwaphics
Member
There is a difference between choice and necessity, however. Nintendo knew not to repeat the mistakes of the Wii U, so, they have been micromanaging release schedules throughout the life of the Switch. At least the Wii U ports were new to most, they weren't exactly cheap remakes of best sellers.
Maybe they are trying to get the highest number out before they get eclipsed by the Switch.
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SirTerry-T
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There were some great great games on the PS2 but having owned one after owning a Dreamcast, the shitty image quality on the Sony machine took some getting used to. Personally, I think the PS2 slim was the best designed console Sony ever produced, at least aesthetically.
yurinka
Member
I think Nintendo did a very smart move.
Yes. Specially knowing the "more than 155M units shipped" is from almost a year before discontinuing the console. 160M makes total sense, and for sure, if someone knows the data is their CEO, who also was in charge of the region where they did a better job with it.
PS5 is pretty close to be the fastest selling console ever, Xbox is dying, there's a giant PS4 userbase who still didn't jump to PS5 because still are eating good there and around half of the PS5 units sold are to new users, meaning they are enlarging the userbase, something can be seen in their record active userbase (123M MAU).
They are getting new fans from movies, tv shows or PC gaming, stuff they use to grow in markets where weren't that strong with PS, also partnering with devs from these countries (as is the case of Stellar Blade). They are have been working to highly grow all these areas, with many projects in the works in these areas (plus also a record number in the traditional ones) that should be released in the next few years.
You also have to remember that PS consoles don't stop selling when the next one gets released, they keep alive for over 10 years. 13 years in case of PS2. In case of PS4, 11 and counting, probably 12 years.
It is possible. Very difficult specially because with hardware costs rising apparently can't price cut it, but possible.
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Badlucktroll
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Which of the launch titles did you get? I got Timesplitters and SSX
Deerock71
Member
Let's also recall the PS2 was $99 for ages, and the Switch hasn't had a price cut that hasn't involved the yen/euro exchange fluctuation yet. If anything, the advent of the OLED Switch spurred a price increase.
th4tguy
Member
SSX and AC2
Which of the launch titles did you get? I got Timesplitters and SSX
Mozza
Member
A little bit late in the day to be giving figures of a console that is three generations old, and exactly 160 million, as you say no real reason to doubt these figures, but the timing is a little strange.
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Erebus
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SSX and TTT.
Which of the launch titles did you get? I got Timesplitters and SSX
Xaeroxcore666
Neo Member
I dont know....Doesnt seem strange they dropping this humbers just now and not anytime during 11 years? Just when Switch is getting closer and closer to PS2? Suspicious...Are really Sony numbers transparent? And this is coming from someone who has PS from 1 to 5....
Dreamcast sold almost half what GC sold in just 2 years and 4 months of lifespan (and just around year in a half in the west) vs 7 years of GCN lifespan....Aaaand, had a library of very influential games til this day!
Dreamcast sold almost half what GC sold in just 2 years and 4 months of lifespan (and just around year in a half in the west) vs 7 years of GCN lifespan....Aaaand, had a library of very influential games til this day!
Luminoth-4545
Member
From InstallBase:
By giving the final PS2 numbers, Jim Ryan has also basically given the final PS Vita number:
Cumulative worldwide sell-through of overall PlayStation hardware as of July 22 2018
sonyinteractive.com
Given it's sell-trough and not sell-in and that PS Vita was not yet discountuned, PS Vita final number is slighty over that so the best number to keep would be ~12M (1.5M less than Wii U).
And since PS Vita was the last hardware with missing LTD here we are:
Cumulative Worldwide Hardware Unit Sales (Sell-in)
So it seems that previous analyst estimate's for PS Vita were way off, final shipments likely between 12 and 12.5 million.
By giving the final PS2 numbers, Jim Ryan has also basically given the final PS Vita number:
Cumulative worldwide sell-through of overall PlayStation hardware as of July 22 2018
- PlayStation®: 102.49M
- PlayStation®2: 160M
- PSP® (PlayStation®Portable): 82.52M
- PlayStation®Vita: 11.5M
- PlayStation®3: 87.4M
- PlayStation®4: 81.2M
Sony Interactive Entertainment Introduces “PlayStation®4 Pro 500 Million Limited Edition”
August 9, 2018 – Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) today announced that it will introduce a specially designed PlayStation®4 Pro (PS4™Pro) “PlayStation®4 Pro 500 Million Limited Edition” (HDD 2TB) from August 24, 2018, and will be available at a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of 49,980...
Given it's sell-trough and not sell-in and that PS Vita was not yet discountuned, PS Vita final number is slighty over that so the best number to keep would be ~12M (1.5M less than Wii U).
And since PS Vita was the last hardware with missing LTD here we are:
Cumulative Worldwide Hardware Unit Sales (Sell-in)
- PlayStation®: 102.49M (As of March 31, 2012)
- PlayStation®2: 160M (As of March 31, 2013)
- PSP® (PlayStation®Portable): 82.52M (As of March 31, 2015)
- PlayStation®3: More than 87.4M (As of March 31, 2017)
- PlayStation®Vita: 12M (As of March 31, 2019)
- PlayStation®4: More than 117M (As of June 30, 2022)
- PlayStation®5: More than 54.8M (As of Dec 31, 2023)
So it seems that previous analyst estimate's for PS Vita were way off, final shipments likely between 12 and 12.5 million.
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Sleepwalker
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MayauMiao
Member
That's quite subjective. Are we suppose to ignore the NES that saved the video game industry, not to mention its cultural impact?
PendekarRajawali
Member
PS2 is the current gen console in third world countries.
Mozza
Member
So based on this new information can the Switch overtake the PS2?, I suppose a lot will depend on when the Switch 2 is announced, or of course, released. I was always leaning to mid to late 2025, so who knows.From InstallBase:
By giving the final PS2 numbers, Jim Ryan also give the final PS Vita number:
Cumulative worldwide sell-through of overall PlayStation hardware as of July 22 2018
Total give 525.11M while Sony give 525.3M in the PR so this is close enough.
- PlayStation®: 102.49M
- PlayStation®2: 160M
- PSP® (PlayStation®Portable): 82.52M
- PlayStation®Vita: 11.5M
- PlayStation®3: 87.4M
- PlayStation®4: 81.2M
Sony Interactive Entertainment Introduces “PlayStation®4 Pro 500 Million Limited Edition”
August 9, 2018 – Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) today announced that it will introduce a specially designed PlayStation®4 Pro (PS4™Pro) “PlayStation®4 Pro 500 Million Limited Edition” (HDD 2TB) from August 24, 2018, and will be available at a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of 49,980...
sonyinteractive.com
Given it's sell-trough and not sell-in and that PS Vita was not yet discountuned, PS Vita final number is slighty over that so the best number to kept would be ~12M (2M less than Wii U basicly).
And since PS Vita was the last hardware with missing LTD here we are:
Cumulative Worldwide Hardware Unit Sales (Sell-in)
Sony have sold more than 613M consoles as of Dec 31, 2023.
- PlayStation®: 102.49M (As of March 31, 2012)
- PlayStation®2: 160M (As of March 31, 2013)
- PSP® (PlayStation®Portable): 82.52M (As of March 31, 2015)
- PlayStation®3: More than 87.4M (As of March 31, 2017)
- PlayStation®Vita: 12M (As of March 31, 2019)
- PlayStation®4: More than 117M (As of June 30, 2022)
- PlayStation®5: More than 51.8M (As of Dec 31, 2023)
So it seems that previous analyst estimate's for PS Vita were way off, final shipments likely between 12 and 12.5 million.
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NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
You know what’s funny?
If we were to judge these numbers the way some people judge Switch numbers compared to Wii+DS numbers, every Sony system after PS2 would be a MASSIVE FAILURE
Oh yeah, another reason for the system’s unparalleled sales: its ridiculous production timespan.
PS2 was on the market for thirteen years, and remained a compelling gaming product even when tech moved on with Gen 7… all the way to Gen 8. PS4 had already been announced when PS2 ceased production, launching a mere 8 months later!
PS2 got FIFA 14. WiiU didn’t. Let that sink in.
Luminoth-4545
Member
Nothing much has changed, i already had it at just under 159 million so an extra million won't make much difference. It should still overtake PS2 in both hardware and software. PS2 software is officially 1537 million versus 1200 million for Switch, so only 337 million behind without permanent price cuts to 1st party software and the Switch Eshop will be up probably for another 8 to 10 years (Wii U Eshop ended in 2023 which is 6 years after it was discontinued).
Killjoy-NL
Member
They weren't failures, Xbox took marketshare as they were competing for the same demographic.You know what’s funny?
If we were to judge these numbers the way some people judge Switch numbers compared to Wii+DS numbers, every Sony system after PS2 would be a MASSIVE FAILURE
But it's clear to see that Playstation started crushing Xbox after the PS3/X360 gen.
Playstation 2 was pretty much unchallenged, because Nintendo doesn't really offer any competition as far as traditional consoles go.
LordOcidax
Member
Lol, desperate PR at its best 
… 155 Million is the record Jim.
… 155 Million is the record Jim.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Damn, Sony produced 160M PCs? No wonder they’re porting their games. It’s their most successful platform.
YeulEmeralda
Member
Sony blacked us all.
Fahdis
Member
That's ok. All that was needed was Tekken Tag anyways.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Of course they weren’t failures.
But I’m sure you’re aware of a bunch of funny ones who keep saying that if Nintendo sold 154 million DSs plus 110 million Wiis, then Switch is an utter failure because, conflating Nintendo’s home and handheld offer, it should naturally sell 200+ million.
So what do these funny people think of PlayStation literally halving sales after the PS2? I ain’t hearing nobody saying Sony is doomed.
YeulEmeralda
Member
Where you around during PS3? Everyone was saying Sony was doomed.
MasterCornholio
Member
Those days when the PS3 was supposed to end playstation?
Yeah I remember those times. Funny how things changed. Also funny how the series was supposed to destroy the PS5 and look at what happened.
Woopah
Member
Its a 10 second part of an hour long podcast. I don't think Sony put this whole podcast together just to announce this new number.
Us getting sales information is a good thing no? There's nothing desperate about this at all.Lol, desperate PR at its best
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
In a year we will find out it was 165 million.
Seriously though. Ps2 was the goat console, and the slim was something else. I remember buying my slim with San Andreas and thinking it was the best designed console I'd ever seen. I loved my og ps2 but that slim was something else. Sure, it had a small power brick. But it was incredible.
Seriously though. Ps2 was the goat console, and the slim was something else. I remember buying my slim with San Andreas and thinking it was the best designed console I'd ever seen. I loved my og ps2 but that slim was something else. Sure, it had a small power brick. But it was incredible.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't know why your mad at this. Its fine the PS2 did well. That's all you need to know.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Must have missed that. That would be a dumb statement. How is Switch a failure?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Haha, I'm not mad in the slightest. I just find it funny the numbers changed on a console that's 3 generations old. The timing is sublime and no one can deny that.
Coming from someone who doesn't even like old consoles or previous gen games makes it even sweeter.
Woopah
Member
But the numbers didn't change....
Killjoy-NL
Member
What "timing"?
MasterCornholio
Member
No they are not faking their numbers. That's what people who are bothered by this would say.
Now unless you got proof I suggest you tuck your tail between your legs and run away.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What are you babbling on about. Tuck your tail...lol....is this the kind of thing you do? Are you going to feel upset when the switch outsells the ps2 in less years?
It's sales numbers, it doesn't matter. If you owned a ps2 and loved it, like I did....there's no reason to be upset about anyone laughing at Jim "I don't like old games" preaching about the ps2.
If it sold 155, mill or 160 mill, they produced 160 so it obviously sold 160 I guess. It was always touted as being at 155 mill for years. That's the number we would always see. Now the facts are being felt to be shared I guess.
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Luminoth-4545
Member
This is a myth, this is the software tie ratio (games sold per console) of PS2 compared to PS1, PS3, PS4, Switch and Nintendo's console with their highest tie ratio which is Wii.
Hardware/ Software/ Tie Ratio
PS1: 102.49m/ 962m - 9.39
PS2: 160m/ 1.537b - 9.61
PS3: 87.4m/ 999m - 11.43
PS4: 117.2m/ *1.5b - 12.79
NSW: 139.36m/ 1.2b - 8.61
Wii: 101.63m/ 921.85m - 9.07
* PS4 software at 1.5b in late 2020 before Sony combined quarterly software totals with PS5, total now is probably around 1.8b. PS4 includes "digital only" software and Switch does not, digital only software would probably bump Switch's tie ratio up to about 9.5.
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Woopah
Member
What do you reckon Switch's total software would be with digital only included?
REDRZA MWS
Member
Was just gonna say this….. the PS2 went WELL over 200M. It was a phenomenon. The PS2, and Xbox 360 (and going way back Sega Genesis) were for me, the best ever.
PS- Goes without saying NES, and Super NES are there too. After that for me other Ocarina of time and Mario 64 I haven’t touched Nintendo since)
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