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JJ Abrams officially set to direct Star Trek 2
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Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yeah, also good Star Trek movies. Pretty much any even numbered Star Trek movie up until 10, which may be the worst of them all (only ST5 compares in level of crap).
I need to rewatch ST5 again just to remind myself how horrible it was. I literally have not seen it since I saw it in the theaters opening day. It was THAT bad.
Henchmen21
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I wasn't going to say anything but now that you mention it, I have noticed that trend with the pro 2009 fans.
V is good just for the soundtrack alone.
PhoncipleBone
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Yet there are also a lot of die hard original Trek fans that loved the 2009 movie.
kame-sennin
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A lot of people complain (fairly) that ST09 is not as cerebral as other Star Trek movies. But it should be noted that ST09 captures the adventure aspects of the original series better than any Star Trek movie ever has. I think a lot of TNG fans aren't as aware of that aspect of Trek. In TOS there were a lot of episodes where the Enterprise crew dealt with complex moral dilemmas. But there were also a lot of episodes where Kirk got thrown into a gladiatorial arena and had to fight dudes for an hour. I thought ST09 represented the feel of an episode like "Amok Time" pretty well. That said, it'd be nice to get a more thoughtful Trek movie.
If so, hype rising. But that article has a link to Orci denying Gary Mitchell is in the movie:
http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/25/orc...v-show-rules-out-some-sequel-characters-more/
So either Orci or Urban are lying.
It was during a video interview that came out around the time of the movie. I have no idea where to find it, but it was a long interview where the two writers talked about their entire careers. They said something to the effect of 'the studio doesn't like message movies, so we can't really go in that direction'.
Henchmen21
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Didn't say that there wasn't but you're still outnumbered by those people who claim to never have watched ST before the 2009 abomination.
Either that or the more likely that Orci and Kurtzman are the two biggest idiotic hacks in the industry right now who I would even trust to right good porn let alone a multi million dollar movie.
legacyzero
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Wait... Did Trekies not like this movie? How could they not?
I'm a heterosexual man, and even I think i'd grope Chris Pine lol. DAT SWAGGER.
Oh and the movie was awesome
Smiles and Cries
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I'm a little iffy about keeping a cast together these days I wish this reboot success doing it
XiaNaphryz
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Doesn't sound right to me - unless Internet backlash has grown significantly in the past 3 years.
As a pretty big Star Trek Fan, I really enjoyed Star Trek 2009.
I just don't think Trek Fans were being realistic, Star Trek was pretty stale, and they canceled Enterprise right when it was getting good. However this movie is exactly what Trek needed, even if its not the "straight arrow" trek movie some of us have always wanted it served a much more important purpose, introducing the world to these amazing characters again.
People seem to forget that a couple generations sort of forgot about Star Trek, or just lost interest, this movie was the shock to the Heart Trek needed, I think JJ Abrams probably realized the ONLY way to do this movie was make it more fast paced, and action oriented, he had an entire CREW of characters, plus some new ones, to introduce to the audience and he tackled it pretty well. This isn't the "Avengers" where they assume you saw their other movies, there was no Sulu movie, or Spock movie guys and gals. This sequel has the opportunity to be the "more like Trek" movie we wanted to begin with, but only because of what the first movie set up.
I just don't think Trek Fans were being realistic, Star Trek was pretty stale, and they canceled Enterprise right when it was getting good. However this movie is exactly what Trek needed, even if its not the "straight arrow" trek movie some of us have always wanted it served a much more important purpose, introducing the world to these amazing characters again.
People seem to forget that a couple generations sort of forgot about Star Trek, or just lost interest, this movie was the shock to the Heart Trek needed, I think JJ Abrams probably realized the ONLY way to do this movie was make it more fast paced, and action oriented, he had an entire CREW of characters, plus some new ones, to introduce to the audience and he tackled it pretty well. This isn't the "Avengers" where they assume you saw their other movies, there was no Sulu movie, or Spock movie guys and gals. This sequel has the opportunity to be the "more like Trek" movie we wanted to begin with, but only because of what the first movie set up.
this is stupid. i have been a longtime star trek fan (grew up watching it with my dad and brother) and i absolutely loved the 2009 movie. my dad also loves it and he has always been really into star trek. it was the perfect way to modernize the stale movie franchise.
PhoncipleBone
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Backlash has gotten more severe over the last year or so. Just like the hate for Aliens and the Raimi Spider Man films seemed to have exploded.
Henchmen21
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What? Where? Even Sculli's Aliens thread doesn't have that much backlash.
PhoncipleBone
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Think it was the numerous Prometheus threads or somewhere. But it seemed to be the cool thing lately to shit on Aliens. At least that is how I interpreted it.
Mgoblue201
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There are many reasons why the movie diverged from past Trek, but I don't feel that this is one of them. Much of the original series, as good as it is, barely rises above the level of pulp novel or comic (the same is true, to a lesser extent, of TNG). There were a lot of fairly conventional, not terribly deep sci fi motifs that they recycled over and over. The entire Gary Mitchell story itself isn't worth reviving, even if they could turn it into a decent film. I really hope that it's something else.
Incidentally, the same guy who write Where No Man Has Gone Before also conceived of a very similar treatment for Star Trek 2 in place of what we eventually got. Unsurprisingly, it wasn't a very good script.
kame-sennin
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I think part of the issue is that there was a significant tonal shift in the franchise starting with Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The original series had, in my opinion, the perfect balance of heady sci-fi exploration and fun action/adventure. There were deadly chess game episodes like "Balance of Terror", but there were also a ton of fist fights, sword duels, and gun battles. But when the movies came out, the cast was a lot older, and Roddenberry was influenced by 2001, so the adventure aspects of the franchise got deemphasized. The movies then set the tone for TNG, which was probably the most cerebral Trek has ever been. ST09 is sort of the anti-TNG in that it's dumb as a bag of rocks, but it is still really faithful to the adventure aspects of Star Trek that have been ignored for a while. For people whose idea of Star Trek formed around the movies and TNG, ST09 feels like a violation. But for me, it just feels like the scale between action and intellect has been tipped radically in the other direction. It still feels like Trek, just a different aspect of it.
KrymynalChylde
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I watched the 09 version last night, I think I may have seen it in theatres but that was long ago and I forgot most of it.
I loved it!! Thought it was a super fun way to introduce a new cast, and modernize it, without being too edgy or extreme (sulu's sword fighting aside)
I get why Trekkies don't like it I suppose, but the franchise needed something like this. Trek can get suuuppeerrr dry and stale, and barring a few episodes, pretty "safe" and frankly, boring.
Pine did a wicked job as Kirk, I loved Pegg as Scotty ,and Uhura was a smoke show.
On a side note, Pine (as Kirk) can definitely make a man rethink his sexual orientation, godamn.
I loved it!! Thought it was a super fun way to introduce a new cast, and modernize it, without being too edgy or extreme (sulu's sword fighting aside)
I get why Trekkies don't like it I suppose, but the franchise needed something like this. Trek can get suuuppeerrr dry and stale, and barring a few episodes, pretty "safe" and frankly, boring.
Pine did a wicked job as Kirk, I loved Pegg as Scotty ,and Uhura was a smoke show.
On a side note, Pine (as Kirk) can definitely make a man rethink his sexual orientation, godamn.
thetrin
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I like the movie, but it's not a Star Trek movie. I don't know how I can be more clear.
Compare Wrath of Khan, Best of Both Worlds, and Power Play (Power Play especially. That episode has so much Picard swag, and he doesn't pick up a single phaser the entire episode) with Star Trek 2009 and you'll see why Trek fans are sour on it. I think it's a great movie in its own right, but it merely is skinned as Star Trek. It's not Star Trek in theme at all. It lacks the intelligence, the diplomacy, and the moral dilemmas of traditional Star Trek. Almost every problem is solved by shooting a phaser at it.
But hey, I can't be sour. I just read Issue #8 of the new Star Trek ongoing comic, and it's awesome. I can get my Star Trek pacing from that.
TrumanBurbank
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I can never get over how incredible the opening to Star Trek 2009 is. Makes me tear up every time.
thetrin
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I REALLY love the opening to ST09. Very well done, beautifully choreographed, and you get this amazing juxtaposition of birth and death in the span of 5 minutes.
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The only thing that I can imagine is that the script changed for the film at some point and it was too late to back out on the comic. Yeah, usually they refrain from using the film character in the comics like that.
I do want to pick up both the movie tie-in books and the Doctor Who crossover at some point. They look like fun.
Uhhh, Karl Urban says that ST2 footage will premiere on YT this weekend.
http://www.slashfilm.com/karl-urban...=Feed:+slashfilm+(/Film)&utm_content=FaceBook
http://www.slashfilm.com/karl-urban...=Feed:+slashfilm+(/Film)&utm_content=FaceBook
bengraven
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Good, I'd like some actual concrete footage/shots/information/anything.
I watched 2009 today and yeah, every single fucking time. Every time. I seriously think this took the crown from Khan as the most sad scene in the series.
J.J. Abrams' secretive marketing just irritates the hell out of me with this film. I can understand with something like Cloverfield or Super 8 and wanting to keep the creature designs secret. But fucks sake, this is Star Trek. Give us the information already.
bengraven
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I have to agree with you there. If it's one of his personal projects, that's perfectly fine and I encourage it. Mystery is what sold Cloverfield and Super 8.
But this is something that has a massive fan backing.
Extra Sauce
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Super 8 had heart, and it was a big-budget popcorn movie starring kids... without being a kids movie. You don't get that too often.
(I loved it)
XiaNaphryz
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This would be more Paramount I think - they don't even have a Comic-Con panel scheduled for this.
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