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JJ Abrams officially set to direct Star Trek 2
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MisterHero
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It's the same universe up to the SS Kelvin event. The SS Botany Bay was launched into space well before even the Enterprise series
Still, the timeframe ST XII with Khan, if it is him, will take place much earlier than either Space Seed or Wrath of Khan
The movie should start off with Original Spock telling the new Spock to avoid or destroy Khan by all means necessary, and when they try to, it all goes to hell
Pollux
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Ah, ok. I don't know much about the backstory or all that so thanks for clarifying.
Could see the Enterprise deliberately trying to avoid Khan, but then the Klingons pick him up instead, and he takes over their ship to start a war or something.
I just thought that Orci and Kurtzman wrote a shit script in ST09, barely saved by the actors and direction.
Hope you like asteroids...
Pollux
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fair enough.
Jolly good. Sounds delightful. Do you still miss Lala as much as I do? This is amazing, I know how Dennis Quaid felt in Frequency now.
lunarworks
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Putting Khan in Star Trek II seems a bit too literal for me... but that aside, I'm looking forward to it.
Since the events in Abrams' Star Trek universe started "early" compared to TOS, I imagine Kirk will not have met Khan yet.
Since the events in Abrams' Star Trek universe started "early" compared to TOS, I imagine Kirk will not have met Khan yet.
lunarworks
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...and here we go.
Ignis Fatuus
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The best thing they can do with this is have Khan and Kirk end up having to team up against some greater threat.
ProfessorMoran
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I kept reading it as "cucumber is Khan?".
Ignis Fatuus
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Also if it is Khan, then Spock Prime should really warn them about that whole business.
DrForester
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Eh, but think about Khan's motivation. In Space Seed, he wanted control, but ultimately was OK with the idea of being given his own world to populate. Spock can warn them about Khan, but honestly, Khan was a minimal threat when they first met him.
Star Trek II, Khan had a justifiable anger at being left on a world that was nearly destroyed, and there was never a followup by Kirk or Starfleet to see how they were managing. He lost both his wife, and many of his people.
I think that's the biggest problem is that Star Trek II was Kirk Vs. Khan. And that rivalry is how people remember the character. There will be no personal history between these characters.
It's a legitimate point. There are good Indian Hollywood actors around, why cast a British guy in an Indian role with an Indian name?
Darth Pinche
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I think the villain will be a combination of Khan and Gary Mitchell.
lunarworks
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Because he wasn't played by an Indian guy to begin with?
Also, similar facial structure.
(Hair? Completely different.)
Ignis Fatuus
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So he should be hispanic?
Good Job Bob
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British actors taking over Hollywood man.
I just want to say that every opinion given in that article is terrible. Every single one.
lunarworks
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No. Ken Jeong should play him.
Karak
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Correct.
I was hoping that if they redid Khan that Kirk and Khan would actually be shipmates and/or star trek academy rivals and develop Khan as someone in Kirks shadow with a slow burn as a villain in a later movie. Or better yet someone who actually continued to school Kirk due to his very critical thinking skills and then Kirk has to continue to think outside the box to kill him once they actually face off. Perhaps something that Kirk would do in Star Trek 2 would harm Khan in some way. So that Kirks brashness had a very real consequence and gives Khan a very real motivation for revenge.
DrForester
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Ugh, that would be terrible. The idea of someone close to Kirk betraying him is alright, but why would you write that person to be Khan?
Karak
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Why would you not? There isn't a right or wrong answer there is simply the talent of the writers to make a genuine villain.
Yep correct. Those were my musings before the 1st one came out and we knew the timelines and universe data.
Now you just have somewhat of the same setup as the OS which I am not as behind. Basically a badguy who has no history with Kirk. But again we will see if the writers knock it out of the park. Its doable. Just stretchy.
Pseudo_Sam
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Ugh, I'm so not interested in Khan. Every freaking Star Trek movie it's basically the producers saying "best villain since Khan" so now they basically just give up and ACTUALLY go back to Khan. There's so much more interesting stuff to do in this universe (even in the action-oriented Abrams version) that going back to this well again just seems unnecessary, lazy, and boring.
I'm also somewhat amazed at all the people claiming to know Khan will be a certain way based on where the timeline/canon splits in the first film. I have no faith that anyone involved with this film gives a crap about pre-TOS history and how none of it should actually be changed by the events of the first Abrams film.
I'm also somewhat amazed at all the people claiming to know Khan will be a certain way based on where the timeline/canon splits in the first film. I have no faith that anyone involved with this film gives a crap about pre-TOS history and how none of it should actually be changed by the events of the first Abrams film.
IMO the way this should go is that the Klingons find Khan, he kicks their ass and steals a ship, the particular Klingon House that lost the ship to Khan covers up the embarrassment in the Empire but takes action to retaliate against Earth on their own, and Khan and Kirk have to team up to stop the Klingon threat. However, Kirk gets all the credit and Khan leaves bitter so he can come back in the next movie as the villain.
Synth_floyd
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NO KHAN PLZ
King of the Potato People
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I hope it's Khan.
There's only a few villains I like in the Star Trek franchise, Kahn, the Borg, Dukat, Weyoun, Chang and Lore but not many considering how big the franchise is.
Of course it could be great if they make a new, memorable villain. I just doubt it.
There's only a few villains I like in the Star Trek franchise, Kahn, the Borg, Dukat, Weyoun, Chang and Lore but not many considering how big the franchise is.
Of course it could be great if they make a new, memorable villain. I just doubt it.
The Librarian
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Eh. I'm not going to say anything definitive, but with the writing team involved...
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I loved the lens flares, I hope he keeps them.
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kame-sennin
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This is what I want exactly but Orci and Kurtzman have basically said they will never do a thoughtful Trek movie. It's absolutely possible to make a movie that has an intelligent message and still packs loads of action, but these two writers are not the guys to do it.
It's unfortunate, but it's not a surprise.
I think it's less an issue of won't, but can't, lol.
Because they are likely as devoid of ideas as the scriptwriters.
Star Trek II was a great movie. It was thoughtful and moving -- everything Star Trek should be. It doesn't need to be rehashed with screen flare and extra battle scenes.
shira
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Can you imagine a Q movie with a mainstream audience
Amen. This endless race to find the next Khan or actually revisit Khan is the cinematic equivalent of chasing your tail.
WOK was a great movie because it had a great villain, yes, but also because it had characters we cared about actually at risk, a message about increasingly irrelevant heroes confronting fear, embracing life, and accepting death, and a certain amount of maturity about how it presented these things.
Everything that Orci and Kurtzman wouldn't attempt in a million years.
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Already wrapped? I didn't even know they started filming.
jordan0386
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Sylar needs more work.
Synth_floyd
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According to Wikipedia:
Orci and Kurtzman explained the dilemma for the sequel was whether to pit the crew against another villain, or to have an "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary"
Where have they said they would never do a thoughtful or exploration type plot?
Escape Goat
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I'd rather they keep the thoughtful and barrier breaking stories for TV shows. Nothing wrong with sticking to your strengths though.
New Star Trek in 2015. Believe.
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