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JJ Abrams officially set to direct Star Trek 2
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SCULLIBUNDO
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Anticitizen One said:
Well, regardless - expecting it to be up to ESB level is going to leave you disappointed for the sole fact that Orci and Kurtzman are writing it.
Quick said:
Completely divorced from it's plot and tone of lameness and depression, I thought even the design of the badass Enterprise E was annoyingly altered by changing the look of the shields to a "skin" of space around the ship instead of the "oval bubble" that was so perfectly done in First Contact. I guess they thought it posed a problem to the part of the movie where the ships played chicken.
Considering the entire movie was pretty much Enterprise-E porn, it irked my that they fucked up such a long standing design element.
Anticitizen One
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Scullibundo said:
People talked shit about David Goyer untill the cows came home but yet he delievered with The Dark Knight
SCULLIBUNDO
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Anticitizen One said:
He didn't write the screenplay for TDK. Jonathan Nolan did.
Salvor.Hardin
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Jokergrin said:
Don't know if it will hit Khan level but wasn't JJ's first Star Trek basically a rehash of Khan? Almost every main plot point was revisited.
Discotheque
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Jokergrin said:
It won't be that either.
Anyways we got so many Giachinno stans here but I didn't really like the Star Trek OST much. I still like some of his stuff however, I hope he does better on this one.
Gonna be hard to top Horner's Khan soundtrack though.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Discotheque said:
We've been through this before, Disco. Giacchino has great tracks in ST09.
Enterprising Young Men and Labor of Love are both brilliant.
Meus Renaissance
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Will we have any writers for the film this time?
RustyNails
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On board like a motherfucker. The last one was super awesome.
Auron_Kale
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Loved the first movie and will be there day one for sure.
1 - I liked the lens flare. It was overblown, but stylishly so. Almost as good as the Scott Pilgrim double exposure.
2 - Yeah, try not to have a massive twenty-year plot hole of "where the fuck has the villain been?". The deleted Klingon scene explained fuck all because how does someone with tech that could wipe out an entire Starfleet, uh, fleet get captured by Klingons?
3 - Slow down just a touch. We could have done with maybe two minutes more of pre-boom Vulcan. Make us understand why the loss of this great civilization is truly a bad thing in something more than a bodycount.
4 - Less of the physical humour. Stuck in the cooling pipes was both not-funny and also insulting in a "well how the fuck does he survive that?" kind of way.
5 - Kirk needs to lift weights and get a bit bigger to sell himself as an action hero.
That's about it. Overall, I enjoyed Star Trek. Look forward to more.
2 - Yeah, try not to have a massive twenty-year plot hole of "where the fuck has the villain been?". The deleted Klingon scene explained fuck all because how does someone with tech that could wipe out an entire Starfleet, uh, fleet get captured by Klingons?
3 - Slow down just a touch. We could have done with maybe two minutes more of pre-boom Vulcan. Make us understand why the loss of this great civilization is truly a bad thing in something more than a bodycount.
4 - Less of the physical humour. Stuck in the cooling pipes was both not-funny and also insulting in a "well how the fuck does he survive that?" kind of way.
5 - Kirk needs to lift weights and get a bit bigger to sell himself as an action hero.
That's about it. Overall, I enjoyed Star Trek. Look forward to more.
MisterHero
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The Kelvin crippled Nero's ship when it crashed into the other.Suairyu said:
The Klingons were probably researching and repairing the ship at the time, and will likely play into the sequel.
I hope it's not just the Klingons because they did that in III, VI, and Generations
Liquidsnake
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Bring on Khan in the alternate universe please.
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
ThoseDeafMutes
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Suairyu said:
I think the more pressing issues were things like "why does red matter sometimes swallow things whole and sometimes send things back in time?" or "how could a supernova threaten the whole galaxy?" or "why was Nero doing anything he was doing rather than using his time machine to warn his planet long before the destruction happened?" or "why does he have a vendetta against someone who was helping his people?"
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Morn said:
Because that helped Cowboys and Aliens.
Kung Fu Jedi
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It may be official now, but we all knew JJ would be directing Star Trek a long time ago. If anything, he was posturing for more cash.
As a huge fan of the original series, I had some issues with the first movie and how they set up this new universe. There are major plot holes, a wasted villain, crappy dialog, and unnecessary changes.
But that said, I thought the cast was fantastic and now that the story is in place, I think a sequel has potential to be much, much better.
And I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell that they'll go near Khan. There is absolutely no need, and now that they've gone to great pains to create this parallel universe, they're going to want to do some new things with it to distinguish it even further. Besides, at this point, Kahn's ship is still drifting in space with the crew in cryogenic sleep. The chances of the Enterprise bumping into again are exceedingly small.
As a huge fan of the original series, I had some issues with the first movie and how they set up this new universe. There are major plot holes, a wasted villain, crappy dialog, and unnecessary changes.
But that said, I thought the cast was fantastic and now that the story is in place, I think a sequel has potential to be much, much better.
And I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell that they'll go near Khan. There is absolutely no need, and now that they've gone to great pains to create this parallel universe, they're going to want to do some new things with it to distinguish it even further. Besides, at this point, Kahn's ship is still drifting in space with the crew in cryogenic sleep. The chances of the Enterprise bumping into again are exceedingly small.
MisterHero
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Well then the 2nd movie might have the huge showdown that's been hinted at.Suairyu said:
It's possible the ship wasn't even repaired, it was flooded and in shambles during scenes on board Narada. It's a huge ship. But then again it's probably illogical set design.
Yeah, not counting whatever he did in World War III, Khan was a decent antagonist rather than the seething evil guy he was in the movie. He would have to lose his wife after being deposited on a planet that turned into a wasteland all over again.Kung Fu Jedi said:
ThoseDeafMutes
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Higher or lower than the chance that Kirk and future Spock would end up dumped on exactly the same celestial body, within walking distance of each other?
Gamer @ Heart
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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Its the time line trying to correct itself or something.
Also, its a movie people. Stories wouldn't happen if there where no coincidences.
badcrumble
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It's practically guaranteed that the second film is going to be primarily about the Klingons, given their extreme onscreen absence from the first film. I know people have mentioned Khan as a possibility since someone who worked on the first film teased it like two years ago, but that's seriously just not happening. You don't follow up a reboot with what would essentially be a remake.
legacyzero
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DAT.....LENSFLARE!!
Cant wait for the new one. Fuck the haters. I'm not even a trekie and I loved the recent one.
Anerythristic
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This stuff is considered it's own canon, correct? Its separate from the tv series.
Kung Fu Jedi
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ThoseDeafMutes said:
LOL! Touche! That was actually one of the scenes in the first movie that I had problems with. Not just crashing on the same planet, but ending up in the same remote ice cave.
Mgoblue201
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Star Trek had some of the best filmed space scenes in recent memory. I loved the sense of disorientation that Abrams brought. However, the script is definitely the weak link. The fact that they're bringing back Orci and Kurtzman makes me nervous.
badcrumble
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Sort of, yeah. It's a separate continuity because certain key events have been changed, but it's essentially still reliant on the continuity of the original universe.Anerythristic said:
MisterHero
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It's a different future yes, but everything from before Nero emerges from time travel is the same timelineAnerythristic said:
So Enterprise is the only canon series in both timelines ;p
Anerythristic
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another thing, I thought the ship design was fine, the bridge design was really bad and engineering was terrible. Concrete floors and iron pipes in engineering blech, maybe he will tone down the bridge a little bit.
Lucky Forward
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
You know, classic Trek never had villains. Kirk, though he was a man of action, was always extending the hand of friendship and looking for an enlightened solution toward those that might be considered enemies:
- In "Arena", he refused to kill the Gorn he was forced to fight.
- In "The Corbomite Maneuver", vastly more powerful aliens threatened to destrouy the enterprise, but Kirk came to the rescue of their small stricken ship.
- In "The Day of the Dove" Kirk refuses to kill the Klingons and joins forces with them to defeat the creature feeding on their dark emotions.
- Even in "Space Seed", after Khan's attempt to seize the ship, Kirk gave him and his people a chance to shape a new life on a new planet.
There are plenty of other examples throughout TOS where Kirk offers cooperation and understanding instead of responding with aggression. But the franchise has lost all of that...that's why I think Plinkett hit the nail on the head when he said it's not Star Trek anymore, it's "Space Action Movie--In Space!"
Ironically, Wrath of Khan both saved and ruined Star Trek--it got the movie franchise back on track, but it set it on a course of repeating the formula that worked... "Blowing Up The Bad Guy At The End."
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Yeah I've been heavily into TOS lately, just watched Shore Leave last night. I really hope this movie features a lot more exploration.
Lucky Forward said:
To be fair, Kirk DID offer to rescue Nero and his crew, although Nero didn't really give us the chance to see if Kirk would have followed up on his offer. Having just wiped out nearly the entire Vulcan race, I'd have to say that Nero went far beyond the scale of belligerence displayed by any of the above.
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