BrownieBrownBrown
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JohnTron
"To begin with, we are not what you'd call...human"
For the reasons you said, I don't view "here's a random chart showing some data I threw onto it" to be reputable. There's a reason why peer-review is important; if we're trying to prove a broad social trend, it requires a lot more care than that. Every angry political blog is full of charts and figures that they say prove their points, but producing useful data out of all that requires a lot more work.
Again, blogs like that appeal to people who want easy answers.
Basically if a neonazi was disinvited by people who are in the GOP it counts as from the left and if a trostkist is getting thrown out by Dems it count as from the right.
this tells us basically nothing of value.
I won't comment on the value of the article when the very metric it is based on is so useless to begin with.
This stuffs would be shredded by any journal worth its salt.
In terms of the increase of reports, Heterodox itself briefly notes (albeit then seems to forget) that the self-reporting nature of FIRE means that more familiarity with it may be the result of more reports, rather than an actual increase.
It suffers from the same issue as "more people have cancer/autism, so there must be more of it due to some reason!"; when a lot of it might simply relate to an increase of reports or a change in metrics.
This is the difference between a carefully crafted dataset in high level research, which is designed to eliminate as much noise as possible; And waving around a few numbers you agree with.
I think on face value I don't think it's too shocking that protests at colleges generally lean left of the speaker being protested, as young college-aged kids should statistically speaking be on the left side of the political spectrum almost by definition.
You explained nothing about why heterodox is a valid site for anything when anyone who would want to discredit the source would just have to basically quote them.
moderate stances are for spending, not for humans.
I agree with all of this. Though it's not "numbers they agree with" so much as "the only numbers available."
You can discredit the post by disputing the data analysis. The data is freely available.
You can discredit the post by disputing the data analysis. The data is freely available.
My point is, that if you can't be right-wing, and can't be moderate, there's basically only one way to go, now isn't there? If you won't accept any opinions other than your own, you should probably take a good long look at yourself.I don't think anyone's trying to argue that far right people aren't shitheads.
this is a leapSo being far-right is fine as well, by your standards?
Or is this just another way of saying: "If you don't have the exact same opinion as me you're a shithead."
I agree with all of this. Though it's not "numbers they agree with" so much as "the only numbers available."
This argument exists for literally every fringe idea.I linked Heterodox, which while not peer reviewed is reputable. Do you really think colleges, which have objectively much higher rates of liberal professors than moderates or conservatives, are going to fund studies on which political party does the most disinvitations? It's an obvious fact that the left is doing way more disinvitations, I really don't see how that can be disputed, even anecdotally.
It may very well be the only (and freely available too!) data around but it's still worse than having no data at all.
My point is, that if you can't be right-wing, and can't be moderate, there's basically only one way to go, now isn't there? If you won't accept any opinions other than your own, you should probably take a good long look at yourself.
I mean, pretty much everybody who works with statistics would disagree with you about this.
I mean, pretty much everybody who works with statistics would disagree with you about this.
My point is, that if you can't be right-wing, and can't be moderate, there's basically only one way to go, now isn't there? If you won't accept any opinions other than your own, you should probably take a good long look at yourself.
I think they're saying that there are situations where it is necessary to make a decision; the assumption that being moderate is automatically "good" is flawed.So being far-right is fine as well, by your standards?
Or is this just another way of saying: "If you don't have the exact same opinion as me you're a shithead."
I used to love JonTron, as far as dumb entertainment on youtube goes some of his videos are masterpieces. And when he left GameGrumps I was definitely in the "fuck Arin" camp (not out loud mind you). To me JonTron was the shit.
Ironically, now I can't stand him (even his show has gotten stale, souless and overproduced) and I enjoy some Arin & Dan action from time to time. And honestly all this shit makes me grateful for how chill GameGrumps is.
I don't believe there is a systematic ideological bias in academia.
I think they're saying that there are situations where it is necessary to make a decision; the assumption that being moderate is automatically "good" is flawed.
No one in statistics would try to draw conclusions from a biased and incomplete data set. There is no form of statistics like that
There is no form of statistics that is wholly complete and unbiased. Sites like 538 literally aggregate polls from a variety of well-regarded sites to de-bias them via weighing. Bias and incompleteness is a fact of life for statisticians. Granted, the closer you get to the ideal, the stronger you can make your case. But it's a continuum, not a line drawn in the sand between perfection and nonperfection.
I just wanted to chime in to say this is finally something we can agree upon. I am by no means a Colin-type of "the middle road is always best." There are issues I'm moderate on, but by and large I'm liberal. And while moderate shouldn't automatically be good, it shouldn't automatically be bad either, as is how this particular debate got started in the first place a few pages back.
There is no form of statistics that is wholly complete and unbiased. Sites like 538 literally aggregate polls from a variety of well-regarded sites to de-bias them via weighing. Bias and incompleteness is a fact of life for statisticians. Granted, the closer you get to the ideal, the stronger you can make your case. But it's a continuum, not a line drawn in the sand between perfection and nonperfection.
I see now. I read it as "people should never be moderates." My bad, carry on.That person was saying that if you have a moderate stance on if all people are people, you're a piece of shit.
Makes me wonder how many other YouTube gaming personalities are on this bullshit. And I doubt it's an insignificant number.
No you're misunderstanding the nuance of his pre-censorship argument. Not being allowed to say anything you want without consequence means that you're being pre-emptively gagged by the radical leftOy! Jon's defense of using "Retarded" made no sense but was also unnecessarily dickish and rude to the guy who politely said it wasn't cool. Though... we should hold him accountable. JonTron is "post-retarded' he breached the next level.
Surprised to see Jim Sterling viewers defending Jontron in his comments.
Surprised to see Jim Sterling viewers defending Jontron in his comments.
No you're misunderstanding the nuance of his pre-censorship argument. Not being allowed to say anything you want without consequence means that you're being pre-emptively gagged by the radical left
Oy! Jon's defense of using "Retarded" made no sense but was also unnecessarily dickish and rude to the guy who politely said it wasn't cool. Though... we shouldn't hold him accountable. JonTron is "post-retarded' he breached the next level.
Jim Sterling is usually against bad practices in the industry and made the term *Fuck Konami* popular, that will bring a few *Haha so edgy fuck companies* crowd that probably don't follow Jim outside of his persona, hes a lefty and makes it obvious in his tweets and Podcast.
Jontron used a clip in his video of Samantha Bee "Blaming" white people for making Trump president.
Edited to the part where only she says "White people ruined america" and then leaves out the rest of the segment and says "Well if I said black people ruined America it would be racist and double standards bullshit"
Here's the full segment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1SaD-gSZO4
Its more, I thought he was extremely transparent about his politics. I know a few people who are "anti pc" folk. They despise the guy.
I get what you are saying though, I guess he would draw in some edgy guys.
I mean, pretty much everybody who works with statistics would disagree with you about this.
Also people like to go on other people's pages and shit in them in defense of their guy.
The people I saw in the Jim video were tip toeing around the issue. They didn't seem like the /pol brigade.
Also people like to go on other people's pages and shit in them in defense of their guy.
Another "personality" that refuses to fucking apologize for being a shithead. Shocking, one got in as President by doing that. Don't expect lesser assholes to have character and rationality.
I think, and I can only speak for myself, I need to clarify. I'm not against JonTron saying these things. If you want to be a fuckwit than you are more than welcome to be a fuckwit. I have a problem with his post-Destiny incident behavior. He continued to deflect criticism, deny responsibility, use awesomely funny and talented personalities like Samantha Bee in weak analogies, and encourage his dedicated following to consider that maybe, just maybe, this was all collusion of the mainstream media to besmirch his otherwise good name. That is Trump level obfuscation and I don't like that instilling or breeding of suspicion and fear in impressionable people. It's taking liberties with your audience, the one's affording you your lifestyle, and it is gross.
Life is about attraction not promotion in my mind. If you willingly decide to be a fuckwit like Jafari good on you and I hope you hang yourself and ruin your career with your bigotry but I have a BIG problem him denying that he's a racist twat, that he doesn't have a history of non-inclusive rhetoric, and that he is being targeted by sources who want him sunk or that he is somehow different or better than white national fuckwits like David Duke. That's my problem with this piece of shit but I do hope he keeps talking himself to the poor house because that is what racist bigots deserve, exactly nothing at all.
I was talking about JonTron fans brigading Sterling's channel
Yep...Welp just exposes how deep the rot is then in this community
I understood but I think it wasn't being made clear that a majority of those against JonTron support free speech but don't support JonTron's handling this whole thing at all, or his handling of things regarding his fucked up views historically. I also quoted you by accident. Sorry bout that, mea culpa.
I understood but I think it wasn't being made clear that a majority of those against JonTron support free speech but don't support JonTron's handling this whole thing at all, or his handling of things regarding his fucked up views historically. I also quoted you by accident. Sorry bout that, mea culpa.