boiled goose
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Old atheist socialist jew makes more sense than strangely focusing on white haha.
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Old atheist socialist jew makes more sense than strangely focusing on white haha.
CharminUltra
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I cringed.This one was my favorite:
boiled goose
good with gravy
Her stance on vaccinations is not super clear, so do ask her.
If you want to disagree with her though, She supports mandatory GMO labeling and is anti nuclear power. Also probably the two biggest things I think Bernie is on the wrong side of.
A ten point win is a solid win. A landslide??? Nah.
The average voter is not the same as the enthusiastic Bernie supporter.
Bernie wins with engaged, young people. There are a lot of un engaged young people that dont vote.
There are also a lot of old engaged old people, but they turn up to vote in higher numbers.
People confuse the active engagement on political forums or with your groups of friends with the engagement of the average person.
To many people they might have seen a Bernie or a Cruz speech once or heard the names in passing in the news. They are more familiar with a name like Clinton.
Just ask some relatives over 45 if they know the policy differences between Trump, Hillary, Bernie, Rubio? You will get pretty shallow answers.
There are a lot of voters who are not actively engaged. Too busy or indifferent to really care that much.
Let me put it this way, before she did her most recent AMA the Green Party had to take their anti-vaxx stuff off their website since people would keep asking about it whenever she did an AMA. She'd never answer the question when asked anyway.
Also, if you can't give a straight answer on vaccines then you don't have a good answer to give and are likely on the wrong side of the issue.
boiled goose
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She definitely needs to be held accountable for the non answer. It might be either. She doesn't want to allienate the fringe anti vax left or doesn't want to expose her own anti vax beliefs. Her being a doctor... I hope it's the former. Still unacceptable to pander to incorrect views.
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nice
Already Torn
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I think it's even worse if she wants to validate the fringe anti vax left by not condemning them.
I updated it
This is glorious.
Thequietone
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Pretty sure the poster meant the pledged delegate lead of 391 is the landslide, not California's results.
jack_package_200
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This.
It hasn't been a close race at all. Bernie was the known loser since March 15th
AntraxSuicide
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Technically, they can make the rules say whatever they want. I cooked up the pseudo-professional rule of "Delegates are considered unbound if they would be pledged to a candidate from a state which has not given its electors to the Republican Party in the last 4 presidential cycles." This would unbind Trump's delegates specifically since he's from New York.
It's probably a bad move to steal it, but with these judge comments blowing up his numbers, I'd be a lot more worried about down-ticket in November than I would have been a few weeks ago.
WonkyPanda
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Ah, I see we're back to CA being "rigged" because of x,y,z. Is it just coincidence then that any type of voter suppression specifically targets Sanders supporters in such critical mass as to swing the end result?
We'll excuse the fact that lower-income, working minorities are the single most disenfranchised bloc when it comes to voter suppression. They don't get to skip out on philosophy 101 to go vote.
We'll excuse the fact that lower-income, working minorities are the single most disenfranchised bloc when it comes to voter suppression. They don't get to skip out on philosophy 101 to go vote.
VendettaRed07
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Final count
Hillary vs Bernie
Obama vs. Hillary
Hillary vs Bernie
Obama vs. Hillary
DC still has to vote and she could very likely get all 20 there to push over 400.
Final count
Hillary vs Bernie
Obama vs. Hillary
Rows of win are better than Colums of win anyways.
Edit: she has a row of win and column of win (sort of, if you don't count Michigan)!
whyamihere
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Yeah she should get a 400 pledged delegate lead and come extremely close to half the delegates with just pledged delegates alone. Probably 47% of all total delegates.
boiled goose
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The 391 delegate lead is a 10 point lead.
I am not sure I would say that. Bernie was pretty much behind the whole time, but it has always been about a 10 point deficit. 10 points is a solid margin. Not a comfy landslide margin, but solid. but I agree that since March 15 he was pretty much guaranteed to lose.
The differences are so interesting.
Obama is like Bernie + the South.
Hillary did well with Hispanics and the Northeast both times, but then absorbed the South in 16.
CharminUltra
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Bernie got brutalized.
You may be right, I just don't see it. I was doing calculations to see what the votes distributed would be and it was not enough. She'll cone very close though.
boiled goose
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Yeah its very intresting. Obama won because of his coalition of black voters and impassioned millinals, vs Hillary's block of hispanic, asian, and older voters. I think Sanders could have reproduced Obama's success if he had done better with black or Hispanics. Just shoes where the future of the democratic party, and ultimately the country is, I guess.
Duh. I thought he said she will win with pledged alone. I see now what he was saying. Thanks for the clarification.
LOL no, it's a landslide.
whyamihere
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A reminder that "President Cristina Grappo" got 41,610 votes yesterday in the California Senate race.
Wait until you see the DC numbers
boiled goose
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I guess we are arguing semantics now. If you think a 10 point lead is a landslide then there is nothing to argue about.
Darryl M R
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...w_know_the_numbers_hillary_won_by_440k_votes/
All votes that aren't counted are votes for Bernie! DIBS! We called them.
All votes that aren't counted are votes for Bernie! DIBS! We called them.
Well at the very least Hillary would win by any possible measure.
Which is just moving the goalposts.
You're not meant to go over the magic number without superdelegates.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Wait wait wait
The Green Party is anti-vaxx? The actual fuck?
The Green Party is anti-vaxx? The actual fuck?
Big Pharma and their neoliberal puppetmasters invented measles to poison your kids with autism.
Well yes, that was the point of the infographic -- to show that Hillary wins no matter what dumb rule-set you choose to apportion delegates. I presume it was created exactly to shut down the people that whine about the supposed procedural issues.
They also propose a moratorium on GMOs, which is, well, completely insane. Repeating a post from yesterday:
In short:
They quite directly think shutting down 75% of the supply of food in the US is a good idea.
Bruce Springsteen
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never has a primary season been more exhausting
The green party is a joke
Fine Ham Abounds
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Well, that's eye opening. I didn't realize how far off the rails they were at this point.
djplaeskool
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The Green Party nominated a woman already, morons. The person who created this isn't a member of the Green Party, is a Bernie troll, or has been in politics since last Tuesday.
Hahahaha.
Christ almighty.
Totally forgot about Cynthia "Hurricane Katrina deaths include felons secretly executed then dumped by the government I Dunno Lemme Assault A Capital Hill Security Officer" McKinney. She was a Green party standard bearer.
gutter_trash
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watched last night on TV during my remaining hours of my banhammer.
I was ecstaticly happy for Hillary, her speech was great and inclusive and she was the better human acknowledging primary voters who voted for Bernie.
sadly, the same cannot be said for Bernie himself who failed to correct his supporters who booed Clinton when her name was mentioned and the failure of Bernie to acknowledge the historical significance unfold.
for a so-called progressive, he comes off as a individualist who is incapable of being a team player. He shrugged off all the positiveness coming from Hillary's speech and her historical milestone nomination clinch.
Now that said, I am confident that President Obama will weigh in after DC votes next Tuesday and make the case for unity.
I was ecstaticly happy for Hillary, her speech was great and inclusive and she was the better human acknowledging primary voters who voted for Bernie.
sadly, the same cannot be said for Bernie himself who failed to correct his supporters who booed Clinton when her name was mentioned and the failure of Bernie to acknowledge the historical significance unfold.
for a so-called progressive, he comes off as a individualist who is incapable of being a team player. He shrugged off all the positiveness coming from Hillary's speech and her historical milestone nomination clinch.
Now that said, I am confident that President Obama will weigh in after DC votes next Tuesday and make the case for unity.
Already Torn
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Just all around pretty anti-science. They're nut jobs for sure.
391 delegate lead when things are proportional is a huge landslide, not even close.
Green Party are wacko nut jobs.
gutter_trash
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hopefully she crosses over the 400+ mark after DC
boiled goose
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Huh? What were the initial goal posts that were moved? Just describing the facts. If a candidate goes over the magic number without superdelegates then they basically secure the nomination before the convention, no questions asked. In the current situation, Clinton is the "presumptive nominee" and not "the nominee" for that reason. Superdelegates still have to actually vote for her (they will almost undoubtedly will!!) for her to become "the nominee". Pledged delegates also have yet to actually vote for the convention, but they can't really change their votes unlike the unpledged (super) delegates.
Ok. So to you a 10 point lead is a huge landslide. Got it.
I agree 10 points is not close in politics.
On a lot of issues, yes.
On many, they are on the right side.
She almost certainly will...
It was clear from the booing that Bernie supporters were not happy about Clinton's victories haha. It will take time for them to get over it. It's just natural...
Bernie not being a "team player" and not "falling in line" are part of his appeal. He has had those qualities for 40 years. "falling in line" is not a requirement to being a progressive.
CharminUltra
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The third party we deserve.
55/45 in politics is pretty close to a blow out in the US. 60/40 would be a wholloping
Joe Shlabotnik
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No, Clinton is the "presumptive nominee" because the nomination isn't official until the convention, even if that candidate has collected every single delegate leading up to it.
The magic number is the majority of pledged delegates + superdelegates. Saying it's not really really real unless she reaches that number in pledged delegates only is saying she needs a supermajority of pledged delegates, a standard no previous Democratic candidate has been held to in the history of the party.
They voted, but I hear all of their votes got thrown into a fire pit while poll workers laughed manically and chanted "Hillary!"
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