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Just in from Japan: Toshiba announce defeat with HD-DVD
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HocusPocus
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JB1981 said:
There was way too many people with a vested interest on both sides. It was a little scary how people routed for one format over the other with such an emotional investment. I won't miss that ;-).
The Bookerman
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HiVision said:
Shard said:
:lol
For anyone without a adverse reaction to all things Sony, Blu-ray always seemed a safe bet. This was plain as day from the beginning, that this would happen sooner or later, more or less easily..it was going to happen. Some of us tried to say as much from the start.
MichaelEM3
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Good thing I didn't buy that HD-DVD player for my 360. :lol
Glad to see there's finally a winner.
Glad to see there's finally a winner.
TheJesusFactor
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I need a lower priced dedicated player with IR, PS3 still produces too much fan noise when a movie plays. Does decoding use that much CPU performance for the machine to run the fan loudly?
gofreak said:
Yea, that will not be me, they have done some things, some unforgivable things in the past (Hello Rootkit) to not let up the hatred. Anyway, it does still seem odd for Sony to actually win a format war all things considered. Also, I think a little too much stock is being put into the Blu-Ray-PS3 connection.
Reuters has its own independent source now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSL1637974620080216
It wasn't odd at all, it was the most likely outcome. The "bubububu..betamax!" brigade were just being ridiculous and not facing the facts of the very different circumstances of blu-ray vs hd-dvd and vhs vs betamax.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSL1637974620080216
Shard said:
It wasn't odd at all, it was the most likely outcome. The "bubububu..betamax!" brigade were just being ridiculous and not facing the facts of the very different circumstances of blu-ray vs hd-dvd and vhs vs betamax.
TheJesusFactor
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Shard said:
Well, to be honest, they still have competition. Digital Downloads is still a threat, and the price of the players and softwares are still a little bit on the high side. If all BR movies were regularly priced at 19.99. I think it would help a lot of the PS3 owners make the decision to buy a few movies.
I just hope that Sony didn't blow so much money on this war that they actually have to keep the price high.
Did you guys check this out - XBMC on Mac Mini. - www.osxbmc.com
TheJesusFactor
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I'm pretty sure that the next HD war will be:
BR vs. DD vs. DVD upconverters FIGHT!!!
So yeah, this thread will live on.
BR vs. DD vs. DVD upconverters FIGHT!!!
So yeah, this thread will live on.
The Orange
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Joe said:
It will be the same as with DVD players. No worries.
Good on Toshiba for being sensible and cutting their losses instead of dragging this out further.
Just hope this means the prices will come down for Blu-Ray hardware and software. I can understand the players being more expensive but the software should be priced the same as DVD's. I own a PS3 but haven't been buying any BD's because they're just so damn expensive.
Just hope this means the prices will come down for Blu-Ray hardware and software. I can understand the players being more expensive but the software should be priced the same as DVD's. I own a PS3 but haven't been buying any BD's because they're just so damn expensive.
JB1981 said:
I honestly don't care about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, that certainly helps, I also know my history, this is the first time Sony has actually managed to win a format war (Betamax, Minidisc, ect) and finally Sony's cross platform conversion only worked once and that was limited.
TheJesusFactor
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The Orange said:
Unfortunately, the CE companies are avoiding BR players from being made in China. So we won't get those cheap players anytime soon.
drakesfortune
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grandjedi6 said:
Really? When you can pick up a player that plays your DVD's and BluRay for $30 you won't take the plunge? They should be that cheap in about 3-4 years, certainly sub $100 in 2 years. I don't see why you wouldn't want to start making your future movie purchases on BluRay when the prices reach parity with DVD.
Manics said:
I pleaded with my friend to not buy a HD-DVD player at Christmas. I just couldn't get across that the PS3 really is one of the best Blu-Ray players around. He was having none of it! Oh well
I hope that BDs come down themselves. I know it puts people off when they see the Blu-Ray shelves filled with discs from £25, even £30.
Kyodo News info via cnnmoney:
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200802160902DOWJONESDJONLINE000335_FORTUNE5.htm
I wonder if they'll delay making it official until they've sold as much hardware as they think they can sell..then again, with all these reports out there, you'd think potential new hardware sales would be drying up fast.
Anyway, this also leaves us with the interesting question of when Paramount/Universal will announce 'something' and what that something will be.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200802160902DOWJONESDJONLINE000335_FORTUNE5.htm
I wonder if they'll delay making it official until they've sold as much hardware as they think they can sell..then again, with all these reports out there, you'd think potential new hardware sales would be drying up fast.
Anyway, this also leaves us with the interesting question of when Paramount/Universal will announce 'something' and what that something will be.
Well, it reflects badly on 360 in so far as it highlights another unfortunate aspect of the 360 media strategy that's been molded, and limited, purely by Microsoft's policies and politics rather than the interests of the user.
I guess also that there were some 360 fans who bought into HD-DVD only because of the 360 add-on, for whom MS's endorsement might mean less next time around. MS sure has been tested some loyalties lately.
I guess also that there were some 360 fans who bought into HD-DVD only because of the 360 add-on, for whom MS's endorsement might mean less next time around. MS sure has been tested some loyalties lately.
gofreak said:
when did MS ever care about its previous products - except for their Windows software division, which I truly respect as I had to work with them and they go above and beyond, they showed with Xbox and Zune that they dont have problems with simply cutting off their old customers and not caring what happens.
Sony did win this one and it increases tremendusly the value of Blu-Ray in the eyes of the customer. And of course, more free PR for Sony.
Shard said:
Those would have been the wise ones, yeah - people who I'm sure have been frustrated by the lack of ability to make the right choice for themselves, rather than have MS make that choice for them, a choice that was obviously going to turn out to be the wrong one, by MS's refusal to date to put out a BD add-on. Hopefully they'll get one sooner rather than later now.
But in the mean time there are how ever many thousand users out there, some of whom will be happy with their purchase regardless, but some who genuinely believed MS had HD-DVD's future at heart and believed in its longevity because of MS's endorsement - for those people, I'm sure their loyalty is a little more strained as a result of things like this.
The reality is, MS threw themselves onto HD-DVD in a rather desperate attempt to slow Blu-ray (and by proxy PS3), knowing that it would really only frustrate and slow BD's progress rather than cement HD-DVD as a viable standard. But of course, they didn't tell their userbase that, and so they took some naive consumers with them, people who I'd say are a bit pissed off right now.
spwolf said:
This is what I was alluding to with my "bound to policy and politics" remark about the media strategy on 360. It is dictated by Windows and MS politics in general, and then is to the detriment of its appeal IMO.
gofreak said:
It is not the same - for Windows Vista, MS went above and beyond to make sure apps work if that was possible. Forget the FUD you see on blogs, they went above and beyond.
For Zune2 they took out support for Play4Sure that their Zune1 users purchased from their store. I can not believe they got away with that. Its preposterous. Same like simply cutting of Xbox games.
evilromero
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So now can we focus on the emerging digital download takeover?
soul creator
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spwolf said:
eh?
The Zune has never supported Plays4Sure. That was known about far before the Zune launched. And the firmware update when the Zune 80/8/4 was released was also available for the older Zune 30 models. Every current model of the Zune has the same software support. Never mind the fact that the standard software for any mp3 player...uh...mp3's, have always worked just fine no matter what.
This doesn't make sense at all
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