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Khashoggi’s fate shows the flip side of the surveillance state

Felt like it deserves its own thread as techcrunch show the double edge sword of mass surveillance since the death of Jamal.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/20/khashoggis-fate-shows-the-flip-side-of-the-surveillance-state/

It’s been over five years since NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden lifted the lid on government mass surveillance programs, revealing, in unprecedented detail, quite how deep the rabbit hole goes thanks to the spread of commercial software and connectivity enabling a bottomless intelligence-gathering philosophy of ‘bag it all’.

increasingly powerful state surveillance is seemingly here to stay, with or without adequately robust oversight. And commercial use of strong encryption remains under attack from governments.

But there’s another end to the surveillance telescope. As I wrote five years ago, those who watch us can expect to be — and indeed are being — increasingly closely watched themselves as the lens gets turned on them:

“Just as our digital interactions and online behaviour can be tracked, parsed and analysed for problematic patterns, pertinent keywords and suspicious connections, so too can the behaviour of governments. Technology is a double-edged sword – which means it’s also capable of lifting the lid on the machinery of power-holding institutions like never before.”

We’re now seeing some of the impacts of this surveillance technology cutting both ways.

With attention to detail, good connections (in all senses) and the application of digital forensics all sorts of discrete data dots can be linked — enabling official narratives to be interrogated and unpicked with technology-fuelled speed.
When public opinion is faced with an official narrative already lacking credibility that’s soon set against external investigation able to closely show workings and sources (where possible), and thus demonstrate how reasonably constructed and plausible is the counter narrative, there’s little doubt where the real authority is being shown to lie.

And who the real liars are.

The sheer depth and availability of data in the digital era supports faster-than-ever evidence-based debunking of official fictions, threatening to erode rogue regimes built on lies by pulling away the curtain that invests their leaders with power in the first place — by implying the scope and range of their capacity and competency is unknowable, and letting other players on the world stage accept such a ‘leader’ at face value.

The truth about power is often far more stupid and sordid than the fiction. So a powerful abuser, with their workings revealed, can be reduced to their baser parts — and shown for the thuggish and brutal operator they really are, as well as proved a liar.

Thanks to technology’s surveillance creep the world has been given a close-up view of how horrifyingly brutal the Saudi regime can be — and through the lens of an individual it can empathize with and understand.

The power of technology to erode privacy is clearer than ever. Down to the very teeth of the bone saw. But what’s also increasingly clear is that powerful and at times terrible capability can be turned around to debase power itself — when authorities themselves become abusers.

So the flip-side of the surveillance state can be seen in the public airing of the bloody colors of abusive regimes.
 

Weiji

Banned
This power will never be used to help you, it will only be used to hurt you by those with control of it.

You’re salivating over crumbs, which for all you know were dropped on purpose.
 

DiscoJer

Member
The thing is though, it's being used by Turkey as a political tool against its rival, Saudi Arabia. It's not being used out of the goodness of Turkey's heart. They keep doling out little tidbits of information, often misleading or wrong (like where his body is) and the press reports on it like it's the most important thing ever, since most of the Western press is pro-Iran (for reasons I don't get since SA and Iran are almost mirrors of each other, I guess the difference is that much of the press agrees with the US is Satan stance being leftist)

Had the murder happened in the same exact circumstances but by a power that is friendly with Turkey (like say, Qatar), we would never have heard any of this.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Evil exposing evil doesn't justify the need for a surveillance state as long as they continue to hold the leash on that technology.

I completely agree that it can cut both ways and that we will see more of this. Most people have a fairy-tail notion of how technology works which is why they get scammed, social engineered, and "hacked" (usually just bad pw). This will increase, not decrease, as the years march on. Aging politicians will think they have an ace in the hole with this technology but it will actually be used against them once other politicians get clever enough to justify using our internal surveillance systems against their opponents.

But how does this differ from 'citizen journalism' and the widespread usage of social media? Setting aside all the downsides of social media, this kind of exposure of the truth can be done already without the state needing to trickle out footage to us and set the narrative for us.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
The thing is though, it's being used by Turkey as a political tool against its rival, Saudi Arabia. It's not being used out of the goodness of Turkey's heart. They keep doling out little tidbits of information, often misleading or wrong (like where his body is) and the press reports on it like it's the most important thing ever, since most of the Western press is pro-Iran (for reasons I don't get since SA and Iran are almost mirrors of each other, I guess the difference is that much of the press agrees with the US is Satan stance being leftist)

Had the murder happened in the same exact circumstances but by a power that is friendly with Turkey (like say, Qatar), we would never have heard any of this.

Interesting enough, SA and Qatar are fighting each other. And who has been making this story out to be so big? Al Jazeera. Who owns Al Jazeera? Qatar. So basically Qatar played this out in the media to hurt their rival SA.

I don't remember this big of a deal being made about Jason Rezaian. Obama even scoffed at scraping the Iran deal over it and then paid 400 Million to Iran to release him. I guess since he was "only" imprisoned and tortured, but not killed it makes it different?

Not excusing SA. Stupid idiots thinking they can kill someone in a foreign consulate. The balls on their regime.
 

Super Mario

Banned
Here we are now, getting woke because we know the truth. This kind of stuff happens FAR more than we are led to believe. But it fits an agenda. Time to push it.
 

A.Romero

Member
Regretfully there is no realistic way to fight back against the inevitable trend of the surveillance state. Every new generation will be accustomed to losing just a little bit more of privacy until we don't have any.

It's difficult to imagine just now but I don't see how we could stop the trend. The tech is there, people with power are already using it (either transparently or in secret).

For example, majority thought a pre-emptive invasion in Iraq was a mistake. A signifcant percentage of the US population was OK with the war if the U.N. approved. We all know how that went. When people in power really want something, they will get it regardless of the opinion of the majority.

Being able to monitor every possible opposition is too juicy to pass up. At the same time, the same tech puts them under risk of being exposed so they have to move fast by controlling all this tech before is used against them, threatening the establishment.
 
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