ODST was absolutely fantastic. One of the best Halo campaigns, and I say that as a pretty massive Halo fanboy.
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Killzone Shadow Fall Review Thread
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ODST was absolutely fantastic. One of the best Halo campaigns, and I say that as a pretty massive Halo fanboy.
gaming_noob
Member
EBgames just called for my bro to let him know there will be a midnight launch TONIGHT. With Killzone. I can't believe next gen is almost here!
There have been some Killzone twitch streams today - shouldn't be hard to find.
I watched BF4, Killzone, Knack, and Madden today. The new video sharing feature is incredibly neat. I'm looking forward to other people using that feature to help me decide whether or not to buy a game, as normal people aren't under agreements with publishers like pro reviewers can be. Anyway.
Killzone's multiplayer looked incredibly generic. It looked ok, but nothing special. The levels were not very inspired either.
Graphically, it was impressive with a lot of neat effects, but BF4 was far better. FAR better. Which kind of surprised me; I guess I hadn't spent enough time looking at BF4 to know, but I was completely blown away by BF4.
I own Killzone, but will be returning it. I'd much rather spend my time in BF4.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Or you can try it.
I have to completely disagree with this. Been watching similar streams all day, and even in the streams every single person playing said they were really enjoying the MP, even when they didn't enjoy the SP.
I don't know why people are so quick to call the MP generic either. Art and visuals are very unique. Map design is very well done. Lots of layering, verticality, and cleverly funnelled design. Multiple routes and points of access, but also areas where mini back and forth firefights continually take place which makes things more intimate.
Weapons look balanced too. In the streams the players switched through multiple weapons, and none of them seemed over powered or much better than the others. Add to that, the additional skills and features are pretty nice, cloaking, spawn beacons, turrets, drones, shields, stun grenades, medic sentries and so on, and general design seems to allow for a good amount of team work
Best of all though is the complete removal of auto aim. No auto aim at all. Something that neither BF4, COD or Halo have and that makes the gunplay in Shadow Fall purely skill based. That's a huge advantage to the game, especially to those after a more hardcore, true experience.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
lol what proof do you have to fling around accusations of conspiracy...
Maybe the conspiracy is that everyone agrees it is just mediocre.
gift of 100 gab
Member
Good review, and at least covers the MP aspect in several paragraphs. There campaign does seem to have a fair share of dull moments which, I guess, is what knocked off most of the points from what I could tell. Surprised to see that he doesn't seem to think it's such a leap over PS3 graphically though.
Okay finally I have learned my lesson and will never use sarcasm on the internet again.
Wait I did it again.
Dreams-Visions
Member
No, we didn't. As evidenced by the quick, ugly death UT3 suffered. Vehicles and big maps do not suddenly make a game fun.
UT fans would take UT '99 over UT3 10 times out of 10.
redblack85
Member
streaming Multiplayer http://www.twitch.tv/whiteboy7thst#2900
UT'99 was the best, down hill from there
I LOVE the visuals, art and level design of this particular map (Hellghast slums). Seems really intricate and layered.
On a side note, this is the third streaming player today that has said the multiplayer is fantastic, stating that it's one of the best he's played. Comparing it to BF4 and Halo.
Maybe they are all paid by Sony (6)
ArcaneFreeze
Member
One thing thats been bothering me with shooters like these the past generation, is there really any point in games like these having SP campaigns anymore? Most of the efforts are focused on MP game anyway which usually leads to subpar to mediocre campaigns. If SP is gonna be trash might as well not even bother with it and focus all those resources on making multiplayer even better.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I like the cut of your jib.
Jesus that guy is annoying
Dreams-Visions
Member
Pfft! Horrid rapping aside, this dude single-handedly reassured me of my KZ purchase.
Almost forgot people actually have fun with videogames.
"GET WET BITCH!!!"
One of them definitely wasn't lol...Else I'd imagine Sony would want their money back, based on his impressions of Knack lol.
He said he won the console in some Taco Bell competition.
They fun in the Killzone MP will probably come once people are playing it and designing their own modes and Guerilla starts unleashing free maps. It's going to have a slight LBP quality to it where I think it will take some time to find itself and hit its stride.
The silent majority feels the opposite way, they barely if ever touch MP and just play the SP of these Shooters. Then they move on to the next game. Getting the full retail sale for a ton of players that just play the SP but ignore MP, makes it so these games have to have a Solo Campaign.
SniperHunter
Banned
Right on. Good review
NullPointer
Member
Holy shit. That stream is exactly why I'm glad there's party chat on the PS4.
Holy goddamn that might be the most annoying and grating person I've heard in years.
Bro.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
I understand the need for SP because of consumers like that(I'm a primary solo player as well), it just irks me that SP is practically a secondary thought for games like these. I understand MP is a huge focus and all but it would be nice to get more effort into the SP campaign as well, otherwise imo they'd just be better off focusing all their efforts on MP.
I think maybe it's personal taste too. I've been playing multiplayer FPSes since Doom, and I gravitate to maps that remind me of things like Threewave CTF from Quake, or the what the Epic guys create (the original Unreal Tournament was a master class in multiplayer map design). More mature versions of those maps show up in games like Gears and Halo.
I did play a good amount Killzone 2's multiplayer, and those maps reminded me of KZ4's. There is just something about them that doesn't flow, and I really can't put my finger on it.
That is another thing heavily dependent on personal taste. Battlefield or CoD is really as complicated as I want my shooters to get. I hate, *hate* cloaking capabilities in an FPS. It is legal cheese, basically.
I don't think this matters at all, honestly. If everyone has autoaim, or nobody has autoaim, everyone still has the same advantage. Autoaim does maybe make things a bit more accessible for the casual gamer, which isn't a bad thing IMO. Not everybody has 4 hours a day to develop into a crack shot.
JonathanPower
Member
What is the length of the single player campaign in BF4 and CoD? What is the length of the single player campaign in KZ:SF? I think it's obvious that Guerrilla is the developer who put more effort into the SP campaign.
bitcloudrzr
Member
I've played thousands of hours of mp shooters since the PS3 launched. Most of the time, people are there to play the game and be helpful. Even groups are pretty accepting of randoms if you aren't a moron. I met my BF clan on pub chat in the Uncharted 2 beta, and the other half of my list from Uncharted mp.
Party chat is great, but I hate it when people clump multiplayer whinos with the rest of us.
That guy is also bad and he is getting angry at others.
So battlefield's team death match sucks then?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
You're repeating a mantra that has been often flung around and expecting people to understand it is sarcasm. This is text, it does not convey sarcasm well.
Maybe you should upload voice messages to better convey your otherwise hidden meaning behind your posts.
See, that is sarcasm done right.
A game is almost universally critically disliked and NeoGAF, many of us who think of journalists as moneyhatted and prone to give out inflated scores, hates it.
Guys... this is really disappointing. (I realize not everyone is responding like this.) Apparently the game isn't that good. There was no collaboration or conspiracy among the reviewers to come to this conclusion. All these mental backflips trying to come up with a rationale to fit your preconceived notions of the game, the system, whatever, are completely unproductive.
Piqued.
Guys... this is really disappointing. (I realize not everyone is responding like this.) Apparently the game isn't that good. There was no collaboration or conspiracy among the reviewers to come to this conclusion. All these mental backflips trying to come up with a rationale to fit your preconceived notions of the game, the system, whatever, are completely unproductive.
Piqued.
Dreams-Visions
Member
no, it looks pretty good where it matters to most: the multiplayer. which, unfortunately, is the part of the game most reviews contain no critique of.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Funny, I thought it far & away the worst Halo campaign.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Wat?
Nice post, I like to read opinions from players!
The MP of Killzone relies on awesome map design (the best in the market in my opinion) and the SP has the best action packed sequences I have ever seen in a FPS (and an excellent level design as well).
HigherLevel
Member
You didn't play Halo 4 then I guess.
As somebody that has put > 10k hours into Battlefield games, the answer is GOD YES. Nobody should ever play TDM in Battlefield. It's like playing Mario exclusively to collect extra lives; sure, you can do it, but you're completely missing the point of the game.
If TDM is your bag, stick with Killzone or CoD tomorrow.
'Generic' - the complaint you make when you can't think of an actual complaint
Facism
Member
Bf4 maps aren't made or balanced for 64 players, unless you love skill-less spamfests.
Destruction is minor, less than what we had in BF3. Levolution events are minor on most maps.
No idea what the stability of KZ is on launch, but battlefield is already shit-city with it's terrible netcode, hit detection and a shitnugget of client and server crashes resting firmly on top.
BF may be the better game in about 3 months when it's actually out of Beta.
NullPointer
Member
Not really seeing that in the scores and the text, unless its been a wave of negativity since I last looked.
Not living up to high expectations isn't the same as universal critical dislike. Some outlets have shit on it definitely, while others give it middling to decent scores and reviews. There are even some bits of high praise scores in there.
I don't know. I see all the reviews and I think the message is that the game is just pretty good instead of amazing.
RedRedSuit
Member
"Near-universally meh'ed" would be more accurate.
Anyhoo... Sterling is a big Killzone fan, and he gave it a seven. So there you go.
boredandlazy
Member
Universally?
NullPointer
Member
Sounds about right, which is pretty much par for the course for Killzone nowadays.
But as I do like the core gameplay feel of the previous games I figure my experience will probably be on the more positive end, unless I notice truly shitastic AI as well. That's a personal pet peeve.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Sterling spend any time with the multiplayer?
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
no?
I'll see what you have to say on the game. You're a reasonable poster and our tastes in shooters match up. I might pick this game up whenever I finally decide to buy a PS4 if you have a positive opinion of the game.