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FlashbladeGAF · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
Mainly on rocks etc are really fugly and that they don't even look like textures that would be acceptable by last gen standards.

Spaghetti said:
even with high quality emulation, environmental ps2/xbox textures don't look better than those rock textures at all. more hyperbole.

PS2 (I hope... hard to find good pic)

PS2 (HD PS3 version)

GZ is fine

BloodMoney · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
Yeah... I stopped reading there... Talk about hyperbole...

So i guess the best thing Naughty Dog could accomplish at 30 fps 720 res on ps3 was Uncharted 1 right?

I guess uncharted 3 which was also 720p and 30 fps looks worse...

Same applies to all 30 fps 720p 1st generation ps3 games right? Looks like your logic is flawed...

if you use the word hyperbole one more time.......

Rogue Agent · Jun 5, 2014

dc89 said:
The Phantom Cigar?! Kojima... y u do dis?

I bet we're gonna hear the words Phantom and Pain dropped a lot in this game for various things... like Peace Walker with "Peace"

KaiserBecks · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
Yeah... I stopped reading there... Talk about hyperbole...

I don't know what you're expecting, but the e3 2013 looks pretty damn good. Running that in 1080p/60fps (actual 60fps, not unlocked framerate "target" 60fps bullshit) is impressive.
Everybody knows it takes years to fully squeeze every drop out of console, but right now, yeah, MGS V is easily up there with other games that aren't cross gen.

valkyre · Jun 5, 2014

FlashbladeGAF said:
PS2

GZ is fine

The discussion was considering last gen PS360 not ps2, although it really aint so flaterring to look at mgs3 textures on ps2 compared to these textures on friggin ps4. But i will stop because what was once a simple "some textures need work" looks like its heading in the way of me hating this game when in fact it is my most anticipated game...

Love Deterrence · Jun 5, 2014

Rogue Agent said:
I bet we're gonna hear the words Phantom and Pain dropped a lot in this game for various things... like Peace Walker with "Peace"

Blah, blah, blah - DETERRENCE! - blah, blah.

Stone Ocean · Jun 5, 2014

Batzi said:
Exactly this. Plus why would they ditch the PS3 version when the latter is outselling the PS4 version in Japan? In fact, the PS3 version of GZ sold a lot of copies worldwide. They should ditch the Xbox versions current & last instead since those didn't sell, at all.

It's not like the last gen versions are holding back current gen MGS5 from looking pretty damn good.

I'll take 60 fps, specially if that carries over to MGO.

valkyre · Jun 5, 2014

KaiserBecks said:
I don't know what you're expecting, but the e3 2013 looks pretty damn good. Running that in 1080p/60fps (actual 60fps, not unlocked framerate "target" 60fps bullshit) is impressive.
Everybody knows it takes years to fully squeeze every drop out of console, but right now, yeah, MGS V is easily up there with other games that aren't cross gen.

I agree with you that everyone knows that you need years of experience to unlock potential but a certtain person a few posts above believes that GZ is the best 1080p 60fps open world game that we will ever see on ps4 and i pointed out as an example games like gtaiv and gtav that had same res (actually gtav has better ...) same fps and even bigger world and yet the difference between them is immense...

And i wasnt expecting anything else other than maybe improving these specific textures that seem sub par to the rest of the game. That isnt though critical for me... I ouldnt care even if it was worse. The game plays like a dream and it is my most anticipated game.

dc89 · Jun 5, 2014

Rogue Agent said:
I bet we're gonna hear the words Phantom and Pain dropped a lot in this game for various things... like Peace Walker with "Peace"

Yeah, you are probably correct.

---

Have we had confirmation in any sort of form that there is more to the game than just the Afghanistan map?

Well I guess we've seen the child soldiers in the trailers. Does anyone have any idea about the various environments expected in TPP?

brickarts295 · Jun 5, 2014

Sn4ke_911 said:
.

Took a few times to realize what the actual Phantom Pain Map was...

FlashbladeGAF · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
The discussion was considering last gen PS360 not ps2, although it really aint so flaterring to look at mgs3 textures on ps2 compared to these textures on friggin ps4. But i will stop because what was once a simple "some textures need work" looks like its heading in the way of me hating this game when in fact it is my most anticipated game...

I know.

The discussion said that some of the GZ textures wouldn't be acceptable on last Gen/PS3

I say anything that looks better or improved from the flat/no bump mapping textures on the PS2 are more than acceptable on the PS3

I'm not giving you a hard time. I know you don't really care about this one instance in poor texture work. Just bringing in a different perspective because sometimes we forget how bad the textures were previously and seeing them clearly instead of thru nostalgia or memory can help.

Returners · Jun 5, 2014

brickarts295 said:
Took a few times to realize what the actual Phantom Pain Map was...

errr what?

FlashbladeGAF · Jun 5, 2014

Returners said:
errr what?

He didn't realize that everything in the square that the past games' maps were laid on is TPP

RoyaleDuke · Jun 5, 2014

Holy fucking shit.

I almost shit myself!

That surprise motherfucker box.

Those graphics.

THE HYPE IS REAL.

deim0s · Jun 5, 2014

brickarts295 said:
Took a few times to realize what the actual Phantom Pain Map was...

I'm actually thinking on how they're going to fill it.

SargerusBR · Jun 5, 2014

Sn4ke_911 said:
.

Either I'm blind or is GZ map actually bigger than MGS2?

Stone Ocean · Jun 5, 2014

Darth Zandatsu said:
Either I'm blind or is GZ map actually bigger than MGS2?

It is.

The Plant was pretty small in hindsight.

Love Deterrence · Jun 5, 2014

RoyaleDuke said:
Holy fucking shit.

I almost shit myself!

That surprise motherfucker box.

Those graphics.

THE HYPE IS REAL.

Hai!

KaiserBecks · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
I agree with you that everyone knows that you need years of experience to unlock potential but a certtain person a few posts above believes that GZ is the best 1080p 60fps open world game that we will ever see on ps4 and i pointed out as an example games like gtaiv and gtav that had same res (actually gtav has better ...) same fps and even bigger world and yet the difference between them is immense...

And i wasnt expecting anything else other than maybe improving these specific textures that seem sub par to the rest of the game. That isnt though critical for me... I ouldnt care even if it was worse. The game plays like a dream and it is my most anticipated game.

Ah, I see, didn't check the whole post history there. Yeah, I agree.

RoyaleDuke · Jun 5, 2014

Wait a minute, I just understood that map.

Holy fucking shit.

The entire playable area of that one area...is bigger than all the other MGS games combined?

My mind is melting into my coffee right now guys.

disappeared · Jun 5, 2014

Darth Zandatsu said:
Either I'm blind or is GZ map actually bigger than MGS2?

Big Shell was a series of very tiny rooms connected via very narrow bridges.

It's crazy to see how straight of a path MGS3 followed.

MGS4 was all over the place, of course.

sn00zer · Jun 5, 2014

RoyaleDuke said:
Wait a minute, I just understood that map.

Holy fucking shit.

The entire playable area of that one area...is bigger than all the other MGS games combined?

My mind is melting into my coffee right now guys.

Well if you think about it.... MGS, even the more 'open ones' all take place in a series of small rooms

farisr · Jun 5, 2014

Darth Zandatsu said:
Either I'm blind or is GZ map actually bigger than MGS2?

Nope, you're not.

There's a lot of wide open space in Ground Zeroes. It's the confined nature, detailed interiors/environments, narrative of the game that makes MGS2's map seem bigger than Ground Zeroes'.

VisceralBowl · Jun 5, 2014

So is the phantom pain map the entire thing underneath the games? Or just the blue-ish half?

Surprised MGS3 was a straight line.

DieH@rd · Jun 5, 2014

TGO · Jun 5, 2014

Darth Zandatsu said:
Either I'm blind or is GZ map actually bigger than MGS2?

Yeah I'm calling BS on this, GZ was smaller then act 2 in MGS4, I say it was half of MGS1 and MGSpw was noway that big, the ladder in MGS3 was longer then any map on that game.

RoyaleDuke · Jun 5, 2014

Love Deterrence said:
Hai!

sn00zer said:
Well if you think about it.... MGS, even the more 'open ones' all take place in a series of small rooms

Well yeah, that's true even then they all had this very open feel to them.

That's why I loved GZ so much though, it showed the potential of what Kojima was trying to do and just how he was taking an element that was already present in the series and evolving it to a whole new level. He took that open stealth environment and made it HUGE.

But this, holy crap. I am amazed.

Love Deterrence said:
Hai!

Hello.

keltickennedy · Jun 5, 2014

That map was pretty confusing. So phantom pain is just one big world? I thought it was going to be a collection of different sandbox levels, like a giant desert and then a big jungle area etc.

VisceralBowl · Jun 5, 2014

keltickennedy said:
That map was pretty confusing. So phantom pain is just one big world? I thought it was going to be a collection of different sandbox levels, like a giant desert and then a big jungle area etc.

That is what I thought also.

Love Deterrence · Jun 5, 2014

RoyaleDuke said:
Hello.

I was saying that I agree with you! You didn't hear them saying "Hai!" throughout the stream? :-D Just messing with you, man, but I agree completely - so stoked.

atr0cious · Jun 5, 2014

dc89 said:
The Phantom Cigar?! Kojima... y u do dis?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

#TeamChiet

GunBR · Jun 5, 2014

keltickennedy said:
That map was pretty confusing. So phantom pain is just one big world? I thought it was going to be a collection of different sandbox levels, like a giant desert and then a big jungle area etc.

Two big worlds. The desert and the white secret part (probably some place in Africa)

RoyaleDuke · Jun 5, 2014

Love Deterrence said:
I was saying that I agree with you! You didn't hear them saying "Hai!" throughout the stream? :-D Just messing with you, man, but I agree completely - so stoked.

I wasn't sure lol, so I just typed hello.

Thanks for agreeing with me, I cannot hype enough.

keltickennedy said:
That map was pretty confusing. So phantom pain is just one big world? I thought it was going to be a collection of different sandbox levels, like a giant desert and then a big jungle area etc.

I think this is just one level, but that the levels will be like this with multiple missions in each.

We've already seen from the trailers, interviews, and at the end of GZ that there will obviously be multiple locations(Afghanistan, South Africa).

BloodMoney · Jun 5, 2014

atr0cious said:
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Tell that to Monica

Lewinsky

.

RoyaleDuke · Jun 5, 2014

BloodMoney said:
Tell that to Monica.

A cigar is not just a cigar.

There's a huge difference between something like a swisher sweet and a wonderful, beautiful Handmade illusione MJ12 or a Tatuaje Black, or a Don Pepin Garcia My Father belicoso.

As a cigar smoker, I DEMAND SATISFACTION from my cigars.

Hypemaster · Jun 5, 2014

Popping out of the box as an element of surprise.

THIS IS TRUE STEALTH!!

Vire · Jun 5, 2014

I think I enjoyed Kojima making incredibly stupid noises more than the footage shown.

Looks good though.

plasmawave · Jun 5, 2014

TGO said:
Yeah I'm calling BS on this, GZ was smaller then act 2 in MGS4, I say it was half of MGS1 and MGSpw was noway that big, the ladder in MGS3 was longer then any map on that game.

The Plant in MGS2 was big in the vertical sense. I'm sure if you lay out each floor on the map it would be bigger.

atr0cious · Jun 5, 2014

Sn4ke_911 said:

Can we get crazy with this picture for a second? What's the octopus mean? Decoy Octopus? Is this a decoy? And If this isn't pointing to Chico being Quiet I really don't know anymore. Phantom cigar? Really? Fucking Kojima.

Anybody have any clue what the symbols on the wrappers could mean?

edit: Found the makers website.

Solaire of Astora · Jun 5, 2014

valkyre said:
My friend check my post history. I adore this game, i find the graphics fine really, I only said that some texture work is really sub par and the only other technical issue i have with the game is the clipping and pop in. Other than that I love how the games feels and even looks and I think that fox engine's lighting is among the best ever. But surely MGSV is held back due to being cross gen. But seriously I believe that this

can be improved in the ps4 version.

I understand what you said. However, I feel like you're nitpicking a little. Either that or I just have lower expectations. Yes, they could be better, but on the whole, the game looks great and runs at 1080p 60fps. Good enough for me.

BloodMoney said:
if you use the word hyperbole one more time.......

I know, right.

TheLostBigBoss · Jun 5, 2014

Fuck the texture quality. The true question is if they fixed the draw distance from GZ

and the horrid botched brightness in the PS4 version

JayEH · Jun 5, 2014

Vire said:
I think I enjoyed Kojima making incredibly stupid noises more than the footage shown.

Looks good though.

I would pay for a Kojima color commentary pack.

Ateron · Jun 5, 2014

It's a phantom cigar because Snake decided to quit smoking and asked Huey to invent the world's first E-Cigar. Now that he lost not only an eye, but an arm and 9 years of his life too, he decided that he should be smoke free. He feels a need he doesn't quite understand, after being 9 years in a coma he shouldn't be addicted anymore. But he still carries a cigar that is not a cigar, just cause of phantoms and shit.

And finally some box action! It's magnificent the way he pops out of the box an no one suspects anything

(Even though if it seems a bit overpowered).

Loved the video, can't get more hyped for this game, and if that map size comparison floating around here is true, then shieet.

plasmawave · Jun 5, 2014

Phantom cigar is real.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/6175903/Phantom-Cigar-Co

TheNamelessOne · Jun 5, 2014

plasmawave said:
Phantom cigar is real.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/6175903/Phantom-Cigar-Co

#teamreal

dc89 · Jun 5, 2014

*Inserts Phantom Pain. It installs*

This plays

Pls Kojima. Pls.

Salaadin · Jun 5, 2014

Did they mention on the stream at all if they will add any more graphical bells and whistles to ps4 and xbo versions? Id really better AA if they can do it without costing fps and red.

Jonnax · Jun 5, 2014

This game is going to be brilliant. My only worry are the long load times in the Ground Zeroes, specifically when calling up the menu. Hopefully that doesn't translate to TPP.

Batzi · Jun 5, 2014

Jonnax said:
This game is going to be brilliant. My only worry are the long load times in the Ground Zeroes, specifically when calling up the menu. Hopefully that doesn't translate to TPP.

you seriously think that GZ had long loading times?

Ingueferroque · Jun 5, 2014

Why was the youtube footage I saw so choppy?

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