Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I'm good with Phantom Pain being the last MGS
Good luck to KojiPro, hope to see them shine
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Konami seeking new main staff members for development of new Metal Gear series
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Anyone can be replaced, and not everyone will leave the studio just out of "loyalty" or whatever. Keep in mind that this is a relatively new studio in America with American staff, many of whom might have moved to the area just to take the job. The studio has its own leadership as well, and we don't know if they'll be leaving just because Kojima is on the way out.
Team Ninja is still alive and filled with people working on games even after Itagaki and the core staff left. Infinity Ward is still fully staffed and growing even bigger now, even after many of the old staff left and sued Activision. Intelligent Systems continues to make Fire Emblem games to this day, long after the creator of the series bailed out. Mikami and Kamiya left Capcom, tons of employees bailed out when Clover was closed, but Resident Evil and Devil May Cry continue to be made, they even made a sequel to Okami.
Let's face it. Life goes on.
eso76
Member
They have the engine and tools.
TPP looks like the perfect canvas to just model new locations and missions and it will mostly work from a gameplay perspective. Which, however, is just a small part of mgs charme.
If they are not completely dumb, they can still remake MG1 and 2 before screwing things up completely.
Maybe Kojima and Del Toro can still work on Silent Hills and call it something else?
TPP looks like the perfect canvas to just model new locations and missions and it will mostly work from a gameplay perspective. Which, however, is just a small part of mgs charme.
If they are not completely dumb, they can still remake MG1 and 2 before screwing things up completely.
Maybe Kojima and Del Toro can still work on Silent Hills and call it something else?
Stereogatari
Banned
I think we can figure out what happened now.
No Kojima, no money for me. I've already been slightly peeved at Koji's direction since 4, what will I think of non-Koji MGs?
No Kojima, no money for me. I've already been slightly peeved at Koji's direction since 4, what will I think of non-Koji MGs?
Kojima leaves Konami for an uncertain future?
Kojima is Metal Gear, it's a fu....ing april's fool for me, i want to believe.
Chuck Norris
Banned
They seem to be laying it on a bit thick, anyone else on the conspiracy bandwagon? Feels very unusual for staff departure to be handled to openly and actively
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Kojima and his team might be trolling once in a while, but Konami is a corporation.
They don't fuck around.
SchrodingerC
Member
I don't know...
Without the madness/genius of Kojima the series just wouldn't feel the same.
Maybe if a developer(not counting Platinum) went in an entirely new direction with the series without emulating Kojima it could be interesting, but still.. :/
Without the madness/genius of Kojima the series just wouldn't feel the same.
Maybe if a developer(not counting Platinum) went in an entirely new direction with the series without emulating Kojima it could be interesting, but still.. :/
I love Swery and Suda, but don't want any of them near MGS, even though I don't really care about the series future now.
Swery kinda sucks design and tech wise, I still like his games, but the man isn't that good for a MGS title.
Suda is a fucking sellout that should return to his Kill the Past roots, or maybe, just maybe direct something like Silent Hills, since Fatal Frame IV was a good horror title.
Storm Raider
Banned
This is like if Tarantino passed away and they made sequels to all of his movies.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think it's interesting that Kojima's "this is my last Metal Gear ....oh no it's not!" meme actually turned deadly real.
I think we need to cut Kojima slack. It's pretty clear in retrospect that he's been serious about quitting many times. That he was roped in again and again was beyond his control if he wanted to keep his job. Now he stuck to his principles and it actually threatened his career.
Of course I am assuming that's the reason for the Konami/Koji fallout... but let's look at this fact that Kojima quits and the next day Konami assembles a new MG team. It kinda looks like Kojima had enough and they wouldn't let him leave easily without threatening his job....
I think we need to cut Kojima slack. It's pretty clear in retrospect that he's been serious about quitting many times. That he was roped in again and again was beyond his control if he wanted to keep his job. Now he stuck to his principles and it actually threatened his career.
Of course I am assuming that's the reason for the Konami/Koji fallout... but let's look at this fact that Kojima quits and the next day Konami assembles a new MG team. It kinda looks like Kojima had enough and they wouldn't let him leave easily without threatening his job....
I think KojiPro are completely done. Look at their Twitter accounts for example:
http://web.archive.org/web/20141110231906/https://twitter.com/Kojima_Pro_Live
https://twitter.com/kojima_pro_live
Before it used to say "This is the official Twitter of Kojima Productions, creators of the Metal Gear series", but now it's just "Official Twitter of Metal Gear Series". On top of this, both the English and Japanese KojiPro twitters are asking people to migrate to their new twitter, https://twitter.com/metalgear_en and https://twitter.com/metalgear_jp.
I think they've folded the company...
http://web.archive.org/web/20141110231906/https://twitter.com/Kojima_Pro_Live
https://twitter.com/kojima_pro_live
Before it used to say "This is the official Twitter of Kojima Productions, creators of the Metal Gear series", but now it's just "Official Twitter of Metal Gear Series". On top of this, both the English and Japanese KojiPro twitters are asking people to migrate to their new twitter, https://twitter.com/metalgear_en and https://twitter.com/metalgear_jp.
I think they've folded the company...
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
I thin you misinterpret stupidity for originality. There is nothing original about being that stupid and cheesy. There is a reason no one else is doing this....
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Nintendo presents Metal Gear Mario
Stereogatari
Banned
Broken clock.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
MGS 2K17, executive produced by Wiz Khalifa
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Call it what you want. Stealth games and military games are a dime a dozen. Given to a committee, they turn out a by the numbers project and surprise no one.
Kojima, in the position of auteur, occasionally delivered gold and occasionally delivered shit. That's what you get from an auteur: a risk-reward situation where you sometimes get masterpiece art amongst the shit.
A committee driven MG will be boring. It might not offend you, but it will not impress you.
Sad day for the franchise, but maybe MGSV is a good closing point. Not much faith in Konami at this point not fumbling the series. Happy for Kojima, he's finally free to do other stuff, I think we can get some amazing stuff from him. A bit sad that chances are we'll never see more in the Snatcher, Policenauts and (possibly) ZOE universes. But who knows what Kojima will do on his own. It's not like massive robots or a post-apocalyptic scifi noir setting are tied to those franchises as concepts. With Kojima's enthousiasm for sandbox games, GoW etc I hope he starts out with something completely new and different. Although a stealth game from him not tied to the MG universe would be something I'd be interested in too!
Benzychenz
Member
What do you mean? Lots of Japanese games are as cheesy as Metal Gear.
Cheese is what makes Metal Gear what it is to me.
MrCunningham
Member
Pretty much this. Metal Gear had a good run as a series, I would be totally fine if Phantom Pain was the last one in the series that I cared about.
This would be sad if true. Remember when Konami used to produce all sorts of original franchises?
This is low, even for Konami. I can't believe they are being so disrespectful towards Kojima and his team by immediately announcing these changes and starting hirings. To do things like re-brand the Kojima Productions Twitter account, and re-direct the website... it's horrible.
What incredibly short-sighted behavior, after such a long and fruitful partnership. This is like the Conan/Tonight Show situation for video games.
Horrific.
What incredibly short-sighted behavior, after such a long and fruitful partnership. This is like the Conan/Tonight Show situation for video games.
Horrific.
eyeball_kid
Member
Yeah, you're probably right about that. I think Kojima probably engenders a larger amount of loyalty than other series creators, and I imagine more than a few of the LA staff came on-board to work under him. But you're right, Metal Gear will probably lumber onward like a cursed spirit.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
No I don't mean that "it's right this time". You're missing my point.
I mean that his insistence on always saying "it's my last one" and then showing up for the next entry, is in retrospect indicative that he was always being coerced to stay on every entry.
If he refused? Well, now we know what happens...
He wasn't wishy-washy. He wasn't a liar. He was stuck in a binding situaiton to make MGS indefinitely.
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halopower67
Member
Man, this whole Konami/Kojima situation really went tits up quick.
Probably never. Talking about stuff like this doesn't seem to be a thing the Japanese do.
Ha, as if that would stop Kojima. If he's not talking, it's for legal reasons.
It would be amazing, if Kojima was somehow able to completely close this MGS timeline and shut it all down with MGSV - kill all characters go out on a 'Time Paradox' screen..
Phantom Pain as a title for the last Kojima MGS title will be so meta in the feature. The team and the soul of those games is gone, but we can still feel it, as if the series is still there.
Phantom Pain as a title for the last Kojima MGS title will be so meta in the feature. The team and the soul of those games is gone, but we can still feel it, as if the series is still there.
timetokill
Banned
I guess Konami finally did what Kojima couldn't...
They saved him from himself. Since he couldn't stop making Metal Gear games, they made the decision for him.
They saved him from himself. Since he couldn't stop making Metal Gear games, they made the decision for him.
crazyrabbits
Banned
The only thing Konami would have had to do is wait until September (after the game drops), send out a flowery release thanking Kojima and co. for their years of work and detailing a transition plan and everything would have been fine.
Instead, they publicly fire the team months before the game ships, send out stupid social media tweets that reveal a shocking lack of awareness at what they just did, and in the same breath mention how they're going to keep the franchise going with a new team.
Absolute imbeciles. I hope the executive who spearheaded this is publicly shamed and fired.
Instead, they publicly fire the team months before the game ships, send out stupid social media tweets that reveal a shocking lack of awareness at what they just did, and in the same breath mention how they're going to keep the franchise going with a new team.
Absolute imbeciles. I hope the executive who spearheaded this is publicly shamed and fired.
There are very good reasons for them to do that. Being perceived as betraying the artist that the public HEAVILY associates with the franchise he created.... that's horrible press to surround your huge game release with.