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Miss America's are "pageant pretty." The Miss USA girls ("model pretty") would be the appropriate comparison, as I'm sure there both Trump pageants.
http://www.missuniverse.com/missusa/members/contestants/year:2013
Some of those girls are pulling a serious porn star pucker in their headshots, but all and all, they're magazine "beautiful."
Maybe you have a hyperfocus on people's eyes when you are doing quick facial recog. Coupled with your admission that you are already bad at it, it becomes self-fulfilling.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Miss Russia this year is freaking gorgeous and so different from the usual cookie cutter contestants, shame about the ethnic abuse she's been getting though.
Bwah ha ha!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That really only proves the point. Few Japanese were ganguro, and the fact that there could even be a unique sub-cultural fashion trend in a larger Japanese mosaic is a good thing.
Japan is clearly more "pluralist" when it comes to acceptable looks (just like America, etc).
Ok without makeup they don't look too strange.
The girl on the lower right.
Hnnnnngggg!
Angelus Errare
Banned
Still does nothing for me.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
They do look different.. But put some thick-rimmed black glasses on any Asian and tell me you don't do a double take for a second, wondering if they are Korean.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
sketchsanchez
Member
You will do your part for Operation Blasian.
You want to see the pictures of the ethnic abuse? You're sick.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
The discussion is surgery used to change ones appearance, right? But don't we really mean significant change? I mean, why else would anyone have a much greater problem with it compared to all the other ways every country in the world uses things to change their appearance? Because of this, I assume we aren't talking about a little botox to eliminate a wrinkle, but things which significantly change a person's face, as is the clear point of the OP. So yes, some surgeries are more relevant to the discussion, especially when you make blanket statements of the entire country's mental state because of an all-inclusive total.
What is a jerk move is ignoring so many factors and using so many double standards to act like a single country has psychological problems in regard to appearance far beyond any other country. Yes, I will call that ignorant. It isn't a simple reasoning discrepancy on something unimportant, I have many friends from Korea and these other countries, so to me you are talking about my friends. Nationalistic generalizations are bad for a reason.
But even if I consider the best of you, that you might not be casting such a claim onto my friends whom I know better than that, if you were to take my word in regard to their perspectives on beauty and surgery, that would just show your own lack of confidence in the generalized claims you make, proving that they are ignorant claims and you are choosing to make them anyway. So no matter what the case is here, I completely disagree with the argument you are making.
It's not Korea problem, it is a pattern shown internationally and it comes up most often in the most economically developed and competitive areas. Korea is the leader, but not by a massive amount. I mean even if you take that listing linked for overall numbers, it has Korea at #1 with 360,000 total procedures and Taiwan at #7 with 221,116 procedures . Taiwan has 23.31 million people and South Korea has 49.78 million people. Oh, did things just get a little more complicated? As I said, acting like Korea is a special case is ignorant.
IdreamofHIME
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ThisWreckage
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Is this really a surprise to anyone? There's usually a defined standard of beauty in beauty pageants with very little diversity. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is really not applicable to beauty contests and pageants. In a beauty contest, standing out is actually a bad thing.
Dark Octave
Banned
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she's part white?
Megadragon15
Member
This reminds me of that old Twilight Zone episode 'Number 12 Looks Just Like You.'
Who still hasn't got over the death of his wife...
Tell me the argument I am making, please.
Also, I know Koreans is a hilarious point to make. I also know Koreans.
OverBlood 3
Banned
What do you mean?
He means he will masturbate while thinking of them.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Give me a thick one and I'm in. And by thick I mean thick, not that gelatinous fat stuff you southern cats try to pass off as "thick".
This would be a great movie
There's a big wave of abuse aimed at her coz she looks too "Asian" :/
And all of those cats are dumb, she is gorgeous and I'd take her 10 times outta 10 than the chicks in the OP.
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NinjaFridge
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Korea is the only place I know where middle-class people consider surgery so normal that its appropriate as a graduation gift.. That its something parents should encourage their kids to have, etc. I have seen this first hand.
There is absolutely a different relationship to plastic surgery in Korea than in Taiwan, Japan, America, or anywhere else in the world. (Perhaps some rare ultra-rich sub-communities can compare: Beverly Hills?)
Would you still... Take a thick sista like Pinky?
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NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
I'm Korean and I got plastic surgery
Are you sad about it?
CornBurrito
Member
I didn't realize people were only their looks.
Well you can't say it doesn't matter a hell of a lot.
CornBurrito
Member
I think looks are incredibly important. There are enough studies out there that show that uglier people have it harder in life. I don't see plastic surgery as a problem. I wouldn't have a problem if 100% of the population made themselves 10/10 hot through surgical means. Once everyone is hot then mate choice will come down to arguably more important things.
Telling someone that they have to remain ugly because you personally don't like the idea of plastic surgery is asinine. But that's basically what a lot of people do.
I think people deserve to be able to be happy with their body.
Ken K in the Fresh!!!
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I have trouble telling Korean actresses apart in kdramas.. and I'm Korean :/
it is pretty jarring how widely accepted plastic surgery is in Korea. I'm ok w getting things touched up to help boost confidence but that decision should be made by the patient as an adult. the whole graduation gift trend is pretty scary...
maybe the general populace in Korea are on to something. what if image really is everything and the Koreans are just more open to that notion
it is pretty jarring how widely accepted plastic surgery is in Korea. I'm ok w getting things touched up to help boost confidence but that decision should be made by the patient as an adult. the whole graduation gift trend is pretty scary...
maybe the general populace in Korea are on to something. what if image really is everything and the Koreans are just more open to that notion
Nah, I imagine it's would've been pretty difficult to function in society without it. Although I guess the last one I had was more cosmetically focused.
Who wants to make surgery illegal?
Cow Mengde
Banned
I'm Korean and I got plastic surgery
Post those before and after pics and GAF will judge you.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
The argument made, whether or not you had some more complex intention aside from the words you typed, was that Korea is uniquely obsessed with it. That is just wrong. But if you want to narrow the goalposts with clarifications as I challenge the generalizing statements you made, feel free. If you actually know better than what you said, good. I'm not after you, I am after the ignorant claims being thrown around here.
There is an inherent problem with speaking of an entire nation by immediately narrowing down to a demographic within it, even though the speech about the demographic is unduly generalizing as well.
See, you're starting to catch on to the way this thing works.
mullet2000
Member
My girlfriend just sent me that picture and I was going to make a thread about it! Ah well.
It's pretty creepy. But it's more...sad than creepy I guess? Asian beauty standards are quite odd looking in at them. Especially in Korea. If you aren't well...exactly like those pictures look you'll never be considered in anyway equal to them. From what I understand from Korea friends, at least. The skin tone having to be white as possible is another pretty disturbing thing. Not uncommon though, it's even worse in a lot of Indian cultures.
Yeah...they literally look like the same person 20 times. Yeesh.
It's pretty creepy. But it's more...sad than creepy I guess? Asian beauty standards are quite odd looking in at them. Especially in Korea. If you aren't well...exactly like those pictures look you'll never be considered in anyway equal to them. From what I understand from Korea friends, at least. The skin tone having to be white as possible is another pretty disturbing thing. Not uncommon though, it's even worse in a lot of Indian cultures.
Yeah...they literally look like the same person 20 times. Yeesh.
CornBurrito
Member
Image isn't everything but it is a lot.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/Careers/07/08/looks/
I don't believe I said anyone was saying that.
But certainly you can't deny that people in this thread are stigmatizing getting surgery.
Ah this should be its own thread mate.
If 100% of the population was beautiful, how the hell would we discriminate?
I think we would re-categorize what ugly means, we would become petty perfectionists. It could be worse. you thought you were pretty after spending all that cash, and people are still calling you ugly.
So you called me ignorant a dozen times over the word "uniquely"? Having the most procedures makes Korea unique. If you'd like to say that some other country should hold the unique crown because they have more relevant surgery or more surgeries per person, I am ok with calling Korea semi-unique.
The funny thing is I only got involved because you post from so high above people. But then you probably know more Koreans.
So "telling someone that they have to" is figurative?
Who is denying that many factors contribute to this or any social issue?
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
See, it is more complicated than some are making it out to be. It is about socioeconomic capacity to do it in the first place and strong competition toward an ideal. There are realities behind it that are shared in plenty of other places.
Yes, semantic backtracking, as completely expected. If that is what you meant, I think it is ridiculous and something not done in conversations about any other international analysis of tends, but I guess you are free to makes claims of a very uncommon nature to make it seem like you are making Korea out to be an exclusive case if you so wish.
It has nothing to do with me being special or above you. It is simply that I know these statements treating Korea like a special case are false. Yes, I will look down on false claims.
Ok without makeup they don't look too strange.
Ok that's much better.
which group is that bro ?
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