Robot Pants
Member
Ok I was fine with the L4D2 coming out so soon after 1, because it really was so much better. But if left 4 dead 3 comes out before half-life........ No, valve. Come on.
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"Left 4 Dead 3" is found on Steam (yet another leak?)
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timetokill
Banned
Re: the bitching about L4D2's enemy characters:
They were vital. Late-game L4D1 got totally stupid because the survivors were way too OP. There weren't any reliable surivor-separating infected characters. If the survivors simply stayed in a tight group and stuck to walls or corners they were basically unstoppable. You had to play modded modes where the survivors were gimped with only T1 weapons, no healthkits, or pistols in order to make it anywhere near fair.
L4D2's new infected were all meant to separate people. Jockey pulls somebody away with better overall usefulness than the smoker. Acid-spitter creates zones of space where survivors can't stand together, pushing them out of corners and into the open. Charger (best new infected IMO) acts like a bowling ball to a bunched group of pins (survivors) and gives good insta-kill opportunities.
I agree that the environments weren't quite as inspiring, but overall I thought it was a more complete package.
They were vital. Late-game L4D1 got totally stupid because the survivors were way too OP. There weren't any reliable surivor-separating infected characters. If the survivors simply stayed in a tight group and stuck to walls or corners they were basically unstoppable. You had to play modded modes where the survivors were gimped with only T1 weapons, no healthkits, or pistols in order to make it anywhere near fair.
L4D2's new infected were all meant to separate people. Jockey pulls somebody away with better overall usefulness than the smoker. Acid-spitter creates zones of space where survivors can't stand together, pushing them out of corners and into the open. Charger (best new infected IMO) acts like a bowling ball to a bunched group of pins (survivors) and gives good insta-kill opportunities.
I agree that the environments weren't quite as inspiring, but overall I thought it was a more complete package.
Actually, let's look at the alternatives:
Half Life 3 / HL2 Episode 3 (the most obvious)
Portal 3
Team Fortress 3
Dota 3
... Hmm, I think L4D's in the middle there for myself. At any rate I can't see how the fuck he'd want Dota 3 over L4D3, Dota 2's not even officially released even though it seems to be like Gmail beta at this point with a $30 buy in option (just like a normal game.) Before long everyone will be sitting on 50 invites then they'll finally give it up.
So much rampant speculation. We know Half Life 3 is in development and we know Source 2 is in development. I'm happy letting Valve decide when to release both of those products.
At this point I can say, "Fuck you, Valve."
I've been waiting for Half Life for years. Instead of pumping out that, they focused on fuck shit Portal 1/2 and L4D series (all of which I love). Still, fuck you Valve.
I hate their stupid no talking about anything policy. If we ask you if Half Life 3 is being worked on, why can't you just say yes? I HATE YOU GABEN.
Netrunner2k2
Member
SOMEONE needs to chill.
Too much new was the problem. Any one or two new infected may have been fine, but they kind of went overboard. They broke a "simple" game system, making it less fun as a result.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Nah. If you wanted to say it made the game less predictable or more difficult/overwhelming, then sure. L4D2 is one of the most frustrating games I've ever played, but I can't in all good conscience call it less fun than L4D.
Robot Pants
Member
Completely wrong.
L4D2 made the game better and more fun and actually much more challenging than the first.
L4D1 was too easy.
Nice to know that you're full of shit.
Hopefully this is real. Me and my friends would love some more L4D.
Yeah that was on of the first things I noticed when I first played L4D2. Much harder due to the new infected.
Phonomezer
Banned
L4D is better than Half-Life ever was. We need new L4D.
You are a good person
The things they added had like no skill to them though. I had a ton of fun with 1 playing hunters and getting 25 point jumps by jumping off things/wall jumping. I can spit with a new one. Whee.
blitzcloud
Banned
Hide in room in l4d1: all infected negated.
Hide in room in l4d2: destroyed by spitter
They just made it to fix what was broken in l4d1
CambriaRising
Member
Speak for yourself. I would love a follow up to L4d2 with new characters, maps, and enemies.
Same.
L4D2 was probably my most played game this last generation.
Supremely unique mechanics that are an absolute blast to play, even if they're very prone to glitches. A third game would be amazing on Source 2.
I just wish the series got the same love from Valve that Team Fortress has. The community is still very active. (about the same as TF2 was before it went F2P)
peronmls
Member
Valve making a game with a 3 in it?
It's time for a NEVERENDING PARTY!!!
blitzcloud
Banned
I just hope they introduce serious match penalties like cs:go. Wanna rq? fine, but you're out for a while.
Robot Pants
Member
graywolf323
Member
we all know Valve can't count to 3 so this is obviously a mistake 
plumpblumpkin
Member
3???!
Jaded Alyx
Member
Have you never heard anyone say that Valve can't count to three before?
It's been known that Half-Life 2: Episode 3 / HL3 is in development ever since they announced it (they never did announce that it was HL3 but they did hint that the episodic model isn't working for them). They don't want more hype until they have something to show. More hype and speculation only makes it harder for them to put out a product that meets the hype (hint: it never will).
Robot Pants
Member
That last like killed me. I literally burst out laughing n
newslowsad
Banned
Holy shit, can't believe it's been that long.
Nah that would be Portal or Team Fortress for me.
The last game Valve made was Opposing Forces, so I do feel slightly hesitant about this..
There's also Blues Shift, but I'm not surprised it slipped your mind because it was very phoned in.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Am I the only one who wishes L4D didn't have an overt narrative? That's why I kinda dislike the setting of L4D2. I'd rather like how L4D handled it before the crash update.
Valve never made opposing force. It was Gearbox.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Both games have about the same amount of focus on the story and the whole "carrier," thing. I haven't played the DLC for 2 though.
Yup you are the only one, you special snowflake.
He means that 2 has clear narrative progression from map to map.
Phonomezer
Banned
I didn't like the New Orleans setting for L4D2. Day stages were fine but lacked atmosphere.
I want an L4D sandbox game where you were just given corordinates and had to make your own way around without being funneled through conveniently placed holes in walls. Oh and destructable environments.
I want an L4D sandbox game where you were just given corordinates and had to make your own way around without being funneled through conveniently placed holes in walls. Oh and destructable environments.
So you're telling me the last game Valve made is Half Life?