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Let's talk about Pennywise's powers. (Spoilers)
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foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I took it as since pennywise or rather the dead lights is a primordial being that having power the more people fear you, and losing power the less people fear you is how you defeat him, with concepts that helps you beat the shit out of him
Parmadillo Marshmallow
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Well sure, that whole World Turtle thing was developed millenia before we knew what evolution is. I still think King just didn't really think it through, and the drugs didn't help.
It's King's universe lore. I don't think there's a cosmic turtle in Christian mythos.
ChubbyHuggs
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A were spider is half human. Pretty sure Pennywise is really just something that is pure energy taken form. If I remember right, fear is it's favorite thing to eat and that's why it hangs around Derry scaring people. It eats adults, but their fears are pretty plain since they lose a lot of imagination growing up. Children on the other hand have boundless imagination, so their fears are a lot more vivid/tasty.
Having read all of these Stephen King classics at a young age like 12-15 in the 80s and then finding out as you are much older that he was all coked out of his mind.
You are like...ahhh yeah it all makes sense now.
Certainly IT....the later parts but if you've ever read Tommyknockers, lol that must have been his cocaine high point.
You are like...ahhh yeah it all makes sense now.
Certainly IT....the later parts but if you've ever read Tommyknockers, lol that must have been his cocaine high point.
shira
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Damn the movie did not do a good job of explaining this. I just thought he was a ghost clown.
Yeah, King has basically said he hates that book because by that point his addiction was crippling his ability to write.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Your not suppose to know this until the 2nd movie,but there are hints at it in the new one
bitbydeath
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I'm currently reading the book and haven't finished so not completely in the know but from the movies it appears he cannot stray too far from the sewers either, (possibly ship related)
Who is that?
Empty Space
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The movie isn't explicit about this stuff it really only drops a few hints into it's true nature. We won't see a breakdown of what IT is until part two. Basically everything people are talking about are extrapolation from the book and King's other works.
Prince of Space
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I've not seen the movie yet, but to be fair, the book only delves into the cosmic aspects of both It and the Turtle near the very end, during the adult segments (the Turtle is only barely referenced until just before the final confrontation in the sewers).
The Spider is supposed to be the closest approximation to an actual body that the deadlights can take in a physical space.
adamsappel
Member
Also,
there's a tarp/mound that looks like a turtle in the street when Georgie is killed, and there are a couple of paintings of turtles on his bedroom wall.
Nazgul_Hunter
Member
the deadlights. Basically insta madness that IT seems to be partially made of
shira
Member
Eugh title should be book spoilers
Yep. Those were deadlights, which IT's actual form is composed of. Humans can't comprehend it and are driven insane upon looking for too long, or so the lore goes. But I'm betting it's a bunch of light orbs just chilling out in a vacuum.
More_Badass
Member
You didn't think the massive protruding jaws and the giant leech maw that opens up its entire face were odd for a ghost clown?
No. There's lots of bad design out there and attributing all bad monster design to logic and back story is silly. It may be true in this case but expecting someone to pick up on it is excessive.
Vincent Alexander
Member
That sounds exactly like the clowns I had at my birthday party.
Jack Scofield
Member
I loved the film but the lore sounds extremely messy, especially when you read about turtle gods and things like that. There are things better left unexplained, Stephen King!
Mister Wilhelm
Member
This is the correct assessment. It is not as powerful in our reality.
Something makes me think that he encountered some kind of opposition in the other realities that made him flee to Earth and wait for humans since they would be easy prey. That's part of what makes the character so great. It attacks lesser creatures using fear because it is essentially afraid of existing in its primary reality. It has an inferiority complex which is why It tries so hard to convince the reader that it is so far above humanity but in the end, it's really not and this is proven when it is defeated.
MagnaderAlpha
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In the novel, and I'll spoiler-proof this,
Now, It isn't really a god. I made a comparison to It with Patrick Hockstetter, that both live in their perceived reality, a bubble where they believe they are more significant than they truly are. Like Patrick, a fear It has is the notion that they are wrong, and they aren't as grand, unique or special as they've THOUGHT they always were. It isn't aware of "The Other', a higher, more powerful force than It that is guiding the Losers. It doesn't want to think there are things out there more greater and powerful than It (to It, the Turtle was weak and foolish, thus It believed it was superior to the Turtle), because then It would be wrong, and perfect beings can't be wrong.
This this might all be irrelevant to the movie, considering what they plan on doing with It's backstory. From what I hear about previous drafts of the script and a deleted scene Bill Skarsgard claims they filmed but got cut from the final movie...
it seems to exist in two forms simultaneously. It's physical form exists in Derry (er, UNDER Derry), and it's true, non-physical form exists in the Macroverse (the space between universes). From the description of It's arrival, my theory is that It NEEDS a physical form to anchor itself into this reality/dimension. The arrival of It in the prehistoric times was basically the Macroverse It (the Deadlights), sending a physical form to Earth where it could inhabit as a sort of "avatar". It cannot exist in this world/space in a form of omnipotence. It is bound by where it's avatar had fallen, which is the area that would become Derry. In the first "final encounter", they heavily wound It as children, but do not kill it. Both It's physical form and Deadlights form live, thus It lives. To kill It, you have to not only wipe out its physical body, but It's Daedlights (true form in the Macroverse). They accomplish this as adults.
Now, It isn't really a god. I made a comparison to It with Patrick Hockstetter, that both live in their perceived reality, a bubble where they believe they are more significant than they truly are. Like Patrick, a fear It has is the notion that they are wrong, and they aren't as grand, unique or special as they've THOUGHT they always were. It isn't aware of "The Other', a higher, more powerful force than It that is guiding the Losers. It doesn't want to think there are things out there more greater and powerful than It (to It, the Turtle was weak and foolish, thus It believed it was superior to the Turtle), because then It would be wrong, and perfect beings can't be wrong.
This this might all be irrelevant to the movie, considering what they plan on doing with It's backstory. From what I hear about previous drafts of the script and a deleted scene Bill Skarsgard claims they filmed but got cut from the final movie...
It's origins might be more close to home, like some sorta mythical Native American deity sorta like a wendigo, that made a bargain with the early settlers that it will spare the majority of them if they (the adults/parents) allow it to feed on children and young people every 27 years. This was also supposed to explain why adults don't care/quickly forget when It starts picking off kids during a feeding cycle.
Space monsters for another dimension messing with humans. That's all you need to know
bitbydeath
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At the end of the movie IT climbed into the pipe before breaking up, I imagine the ship was down there and it was getting close enough to teleport itself?
Would that be correct?
Would that be correct?
It was just bailing out/feigning death because it got Its ass kicked by a bunch of children.
It didn't go anywhere. It's more Yog Shothoth than typical alien
It didn't go anywhere. It's more Yog Shothoth than typical alien
bitbydeath
Member
Was there a reason it headed for the pipe?
Quick escape.
Escape Goat
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The story examines a group of people and how tragedy binds them as children and as adults. Thats why It comes around every 27 years. So the kids could grow up.
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Vincent Alexander
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Pennywise doesn't have a ship. The crazy ass big thing that comes to Earth is It.
Good writeup. I also always thought that a being like IT was a bit comparable to Tolkiens Balrogs, in regards to being ancient, evil, 'ethereal', powerful, but can be beaten in certain circumstances.
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