lol
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Liam Robertson (of Unseen64 fame): "NX is not aiming to compete on a power level"
- Thread starter DownGrader
- Start date
- Status
lol
He's directed a lot of hate towards GAF, just take a look at his Twitter feed.
*EDIT* Haha! I was going to pull up some examples but I've just been blocked by him! Oh well, guess he's not comfortable with taking criticism.
"Heading in that direction" is pretty vague, but his claim was also pretty vague. I don't see why he would be wrong, honestly.
I think you'll probably see something similar to the 3DS in paradigm. Some modern effects but generally lower geometry capabilities. I expect a "mobile chassis" of sorts.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The original Xbox and PS3 (especially the PS3) were both very power pieces of hardware upon launch. The PS3 was an extraordinarily capable machine in 2006, even in comparison to PCs when you consider the $600 price point. The PS4 and Xbox One on the other hand were much smaller leaps with much cheaper and (relative to contemporary PC hardware) much further down in terms of performance. So it's two very different scenarios you're comparing there. And combine the much cheaper hardware the other guys are packing with a three year gap, you have a very easy bar to clear.
Also, where the hell did $149 come from?
Isn't this the same dude that was certain Fallout 4 was cross-gen and then deleted his tweets about it when it was revealed to be current-gen only?
That being said, he probably isn't wrong. If Nintendo is planning to produce 20 million of this thing by a year it's probably pretty cheap, so either it's the handheld version of the NX architecture or the home console is Wii U+ in terms of power, perhaps even both.
Hopefully that video of his will clear things up, since I need to be shown that this isn't him taking his own assumptions as fact again.
That being said, he probably isn't wrong. If Nintendo is planning to produce 20 million of this thing by a year it's probably pretty cheap, so either it's the handheld version of the NX architecture or the home console is Wii U+ in terms of power, perhaps even both.
Hopefully that video of his will clear things up, since I need to be shown that this isn't him taking his own assumptions as fact again.
Manmademan
Member
the xbox one competes with the ps4, so no.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Nintendo explicitly stated in the past that the plan was for their next console to "absorb" the Wii U architecture. It's not exactly clear what that entails, but it's clear enough to say that unless something drastic changed it will definitely be backwards compatible with at least the Wii U.
Regginator
Member
Expected but very disappointing nonetheless.
Am I the only one expecting some kind of handheld + home console hybrid? Like a Vita with hdmi and multiple controller support? Their way of merging their markets together / an evolution on the Wii U's original offscreen concept.
That's the only promising hook I could imagine they would go for if they're not going for more power.
That's the only promising hook I could imagine they would go for if they're not going for more power.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Only that in one of the cases his tweets would be a non-news, and, low-and-behold, he has given no indication he knows which is the actual case.
A bullshit rumour that tagged along with another bullshit rumour about a new Diddy Kong Racing game. And people ran with it to justify a "cheap Nintendo box" theory that has about as much marketability as the Wii U itself, at this point.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Übermatik;170849300 said:
I'll have to have a look...
Yeah, sorry, that was a bit vague
If they're going the route I expect - shared architecture, largely off-the-shelf components etc. - then I think you're probably not far off. The key here will be that they won't be stuck at that level for 5 more years - they will be out of that cycle and looking to update as and when components costs etc. make it feasible, while maintaining the ecosystem/BC.
I strongly suspect that "absorbing" the Wii U is less about hardware and more about software, with the development pipelines etc. they've set up for Wii U carrying forward (and possibly software for it is built to be more portable than we expect, allowing for easier movement to the NX platform). Hardware BC would be nice, but it compromises future platforms and I think we're going to see Nintendo make a clean break and establish a platform that will do them for the next decade (much as they made that big initial investment in the GCN hardware, then built their hardware development and software around that for nearly 15 years).
Tell us your secrets, oh strange upside down man.
Übermatik;170849300 said:
He also told me that, due to all the shit being thrown at him, he's in no hurry in making the video.
I still hope it comes soon enough. I want the better context, damn it!
...still, don't understand how can he think we shouldn't make threads about what he says, especially when it's about a next gen hardware. And he's reputed reliable enough.
Mithos
Member
But a lot of times at 900p instead of 1080p.
I'll take an NX that can "only" run those games if in 720p, every day and twice on Sundays over whatever Nintendo will try to sell me.
Lux R7
Member
But..why?
At that point NX can be so many things that it's a little random to guess honestly.
If it is what i've personally always wanted, meaning a portable that is the only Nintendo console (for a while..), what are their options for a 149-199$ console..
I didn't follow android devices progress, but i would guess they can have something way more powerful than a Vita, with let's say same screen size/rez (which would be an insane gap for a Nintendo portable). Vita made us believe, for a short while that it was capable of PS3 graphics. It's far from that, but i'm pretty sure a modern portable from Nintendo could do the same with a WiiU.Meaning you'll have weaker models, but the IQ/size of the screen/good use of modern shaders will make them not that far visually.
People will say bouhouhou and that's the only nintendo console now ? That's a back step what a shame.
Then they'll realize, that 99% of Nintendo ips, Smash Bros included were played by a masssive margin on portable this generation, with dreamcast graphics on a 400x240 screen. Then they'll realize the new Pokemon has a 2 generation gap graphically, as the new Monster Hunter, as the new Yokai Watch, as the new DQ/FF remakes, Bravely Default etc.. All those games with WiiU- graphics would be incredible updates.
Then they'll realize playing Pikmin 3, or 4 on a portable is pretty awesome, and that a new Metroid on NX is actually the best looking Metroid we've had on any console, same for a FZero.
Then they'll think, oh shit i'm i really playing an open world Zelda (this one will be tough to port) game in the Bus ??
Then they'll be playing Virtual Console of N64, GC on it.
All of this is possible and Nintendo needs do work on one little thing. Convince those 15-20% of Nintendo fans who think (nah i'm not playing a nintendo game on portable" that it's now legit, by letting them output to a tv, and/or buy a super xl sku, and/or letting them plug a cordless classic controller pro to it.
Oh and about third party, even if i think that's a fake problem. You can also see the thing from a portable pov. Ubi, EA etc couldn't port their next gen game on 3ds for obvious reasons ok. Then they could, but didn't bother to do it on WiiU, cause well.. the WiiU wasn't a success. Now, on a 3ds like (at least) level of success portable, with PS3/Wiiu graphic capacities (at least looks like it), wouldn't they be super happy to sell assassin's creed and Call of duty to kids ? That's a viable market.
I'll add that, most people sad with a underpowered machine are not the Nintendo fans who enjoyed a terribly good game library on 3DS, with everything they needed, a MK, a fire emblem, many marios, 3D and 2D, Pokemon, Monster Hunter etc... Those who didn't realize the 3DS was Nintendo's main platform and not something cheaper, weaker, but their base offer. And that offer was enough, in term of software, by a big margin. When you accept that, the idea of having what was the main Nintendo platform for 5 years making a 2 generation gap graphically, is kinda awesome.
If it is what i've personally always wanted, meaning a portable that is the only Nintendo console (for a while..), what are their options for a 149-199$ console..
I didn't follow android devices progress, but i would guess they can have something way more powerful than a Vita, with let's say same screen size/rez (which would be an insane gap for a Nintendo portable). Vita made us believe, for a short while that it was capable of PS3 graphics. It's far from that, but i'm pretty sure a modern portable from Nintendo could do the same with a WiiU.Meaning you'll have weaker models, but the IQ/size of the screen/good use of modern shaders will make them not that far visually.
People will say bouhouhou and that's the only nintendo console now ? That's a back step what a shame.
Then they'll realize, that 99% of Nintendo ips, Smash Bros included were played by a masssive margin on portable this generation, with dreamcast graphics on a 400x240 screen. Then they'll realize the new Pokemon has a 2 generation gap graphically, as the new Monster Hunter, as the new Yokai Watch, as the new DQ/FF remakes, Bravely Default etc.. All those games with WiiU- graphics would be incredible updates.
Then they'll realize playing Pikmin 3, or 4 on a portable is pretty awesome, and that a new Metroid on NX is actually the best looking Metroid we've had on any console, same for a FZero.
Then they'll think, oh shit i'm i really playing an open world Zelda (this one will be tough to port) game in the Bus ??
Then they'll be playing Virtual Console of N64, GC on it.
All of this is possible and Nintendo needs do work on one little thing. Convince those 15-20% of Nintendo fans who think (nah i'm not playing a nintendo game on portable" that it's now legit, by letting them output to a tv, and/or buy a super xl sku, and/or letting them plug a cordless classic controller pro to it.
Oh and about third party, even if i think that's a fake problem. You can also see the thing from a portable pov. Ubi, EA etc couldn't port their next gen game on 3ds for obvious reasons ok. Then they could, but didn't bother to do it on WiiU, cause well.. the WiiU wasn't a success. Now, on a 3ds like (at least) level of success portable, with PS3/Wiiu graphic capacities (at least looks like it), wouldn't they be super happy to sell assassin's creed and Call of duty to kids ? That's a viable market.
I'll add that, most people sad with a underpowered machine are not the Nintendo fans who enjoyed a terribly good game library on 3DS, with everything they needed, a MK, a fire emblem, many marios, 3D and 2D, Pokemon, Monster Hunter etc... Those who didn't realize the 3DS was Nintendo's main platform and not something cheaper, weaker, but their base offer. And that offer was enough, in term of software, by a big margin. When you accept that, the idea of having what was the main Nintendo platform for 5 years making a 2 generation gap graphically, is kinda awesome.
Then the Emperor has already won...
Seriously though, the only way this can be a success is if they produce some kind of very cool, high specced mobile unit, think 3DS but with bigger much higher res proper touch screens, and for that device to be able to stream to a little box connected to your TV, allowing effectively a backwards Wii U style game streaming. Decent looking portable games, opened up to the Android store for much bigger variety, and with the ability to stream to a large TV and use the console as a controller. If it can compete with Wii U graphics within that set up I might get one.
And yeah, it will have limited 3rd party support as far as AAA games goes, as usual, but if they could open it up to the Android store mobile gaming it could help.
Seriously though, the only way this can be a success is if they produce some kind of very cool, high specced mobile unit, think 3DS but with bigger much higher res proper touch screens, and for that device to be able to stream to a little box connected to your TV, allowing effectively a backwards Wii U style game streaming. Decent looking portable games, opened up to the Android store for much bigger variety, and with the ability to stream to a large TV and use the console as a controller. If it can compete with Wii U graphics within that set up I might get one.
And yeah, it will have limited 3rd party support as far as AAA games goes, as usual, but if they could open it up to the Android store mobile gaming it could help.
Hmm.... This thread gonna be fun.
I guess this will use ARM and mobile based architecture.
I heard a rumor that it was arm based from a friend in the games industry a few weeks before that Japanese paper reported the android OS. I posted about it a while back.
Since then all the new rumors seem to back up the original I was told. NX is a console, not a handheld.
Wishmaster92
Member
This is what i was afraid of deep down, a cheap underpowered piece of shit.
Oh those games....
People actually believe this? How are the Amazon devices doing that can run apks?
Just noticed he believed you were trying to prove he's not reliable by quoting that. Just sent a tweet explaining it wasn't your intention. What the hell.
Makes sense, I guess some dont see it that way. One one hand some, probably many claim the XBO and PS4 are under powered right now. Even coming close to those levels I think it can be done cheaper.
Depends on how much Nintendo spends on the home console. Would they be happy to see their home console constantly hitting 10 million sold after this gen? Depends on what they consider a success or failure.
Do they consider the Wii U a success at 10 million sold? Is it profitable for them right now? Dont really know. But coming off the Wii I cant believe they think the Wii U is a success. Going forward that might be a different story.
If they do what some have suggested...10 million home consoles sold isnt bad IMO. They would be looking to stay the 3rd option or 2nd console. I would argue a PS4 or XBO is probably more of a 2nd console than a Wii U. Just because so many ppl have either one I would get both to cover my friends choices. Based on family, friends, coworkers I was better off with a PS3 and 360 than a Wii. The Wii was my 3rd option. First for family in the home, but outside of home 3rd. And it being first for the family in the home only lasted a few years. That honor was split between the 360 and PS3 since probably 2009.
NX will be a portable system, IMO. Sold separately will be the wireless TV dongle that allows you to stream your NX to the TV. A Wii U in reverse. It will have a curved 3D top screen running at 1280x720, like the Vita. To sell at the $150 level, it would have be a quad core system with AMD R7 graphics. I also think that the New 3DS will also be able to stream to the wireless dongle as I read somewhere it has an extra antenna or something that currently does nothing.
freshVeggie
Member
Yeah, I didn't mean to say the new console must be at PS4 power levels. It's just that it seems WiiU being too different in performance to just modify a couple things for PS4/X1 games to be playable, hurts the console a lot in third-party support. NX being around the ballpark and similar architecture would probably lead to pubs having significantly more PS4/X1/NX multiplats. And with PS4/X1 having a huge two-year headstart with millions of owners, a very stable third-party support coupled with the heavily beloved Nintendo franchises would in my opinion have much better chances to break into the established "newgen landscape" coupled with a even slightly cheaper entry price point. Always assumed hardware prices go down steadily. NX wouldn't even have to be at PS4 performance. It could be even a bit weaker than X1 but having similar architecture would help a lot I believe.
They might as well just ride out the Wii U and push software on it hard until the next round instead of spending the money to release another underpowered system that will risk doubling their failure. I mean, the Wii U coming in underpowered at the end of a generation was part of the problem. Now they want to scrap that and release another underpowered system just as this gen is taking off? Well, good luck with that. As the console crowd that is their market will ignore it all over again.
So he creates FUD inadvertently or otherwise by being vague enough to be misinterpreted and now doesn't feel the need to try to fix the situation he created right away.
I'm not entirely sure that's a solid plan of action. Letting anything stew on the internet is always a bad idea, especially when he's lobbing attacks at NeoGAF in the interim. If you don't like being attacked by a bear, ignore the bear, don't fucking POKE it.
Exactly. It solves their occasional software drought and lessens the impact of few 3rd parties not supporting the system if all the games Nintendo make can be played on whatever system you picked up (the handheld or home version). They release so many games right now but it's split between two systems.
I really hope it's this and doesn't end up being like the Vita/ps3 combo I had.
TheGuardian
Member
My bet is that what they mean by unifying development efforts is more to do with common libraries/APIs across portable and home console. Think how Metal works across iOS and OSX. That would enable them to share tech and general engine development across both platforms (NX and the next portable).
I feel bad for people giving up and settling for lesser capability and how that is 'the norm' now...
If Ninty was just going off-the-shelf, we'd be able to estimate what a holiday 2016 machine would be like because we know what amd could offer in late 2014 in terms of a 28nm, $50-$100 apu, which is what would be in a 2016 machine.
But the fact that ninty goes custom + the talk of 'absorbing wii u into nx' makes the situation much more interesting.
The only thing I'm hoping for is that the gimmick this time doesn't have anything to do with collectible tat like amiibos. Amiibo integration in everything pissed me off so much I sold my wii u. I just want self contained games.
Nintendo actually won me back with the Wii U. But if they try to make a big push for mobile games with this thing then all I have to say is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSN9Hc0Y_2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSN9Hc0Y_2U
You can own more than one platform. *shrug*
There's no one-size-fits-all. What's best for Sony and MS isn't necessarily what's best for Nintendo. And that's fine.
Been saying the handheld would come first for the longest time. I just hope there's a decent screen, battery life and form factor. And of course they need to nail the account system, but we'll likely see their solution for that long before we ever see the NX.
I know you weren't asking me, but my instinct has always told me 'closer to the Wii U than XB1' and I'm sticking with that.
Once they're in HD, more horsepower doesn't do a huge amount of Nintendo's games, especially with their core demo who don't tend to pixel peep.
I know you weren't asking me, but my instinct has always told me 'closer to the Wii U than XB1' and I'm sticking with that.
Once they're in HD, more horsepower doesn't do a huge amount of Nintendo's games, especially with their core demo who don't tend to pixel peep.
I would be missing out on a lot of games if I weren't. I.e. every single one console game.
I just want to play good Nintendo games, man. The platform doesn't matter. It's just good to have realistic expectations.
I don't play numbers. I play good games.
- Status