SafeinSound
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Really don't like to see companies fail but I am really happy about this. This company needs to wake the fuck up already.
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Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII launches in Japan with low sales of 277k
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I did mean the Universe.
And I've accepted it long ago. Had it preordered and will play through the game when it launches as I play every Final Fantasy given it's my number 1 series.
Doesn't change the fact that it's unwanted by the majority and it really only serves to bring even more distaste towards the franchise at large.
SneakyStephan
Banned
6 7 9 10 and 12 international zodiac edition (don't play the standard version) are all good games
Personally I couldn't get into 9 (tried 4 times and the furthest I've ever made it has been about halfway through the game) but a lot of people consider it their favorite
some people hate 10 for the bad voice acting and the blitzball but it had the most fun combat system imo since you can swap party members on the fly during combat, the sphere grid passive talent system was really great too, and the game has a lot of excellent bossfights
You should play 12 just so you can understand why people hate 13
the 13 combat system is derived from 12, but for some reason was completely butchered, dumbed down and given a horrible UI to go with it.
The system in 12 is what you'd expect the system in 13 to become after 5 games worth of iterating on it, not the other way around:\
The opinions aren't really divisive at all, but keep working that angle. There's no need to wait for the western release to get more opinions, it's pretty transparent what this game is and isn't.
I would say add V and VIII to this list.
Aside from X-2, V has easily the best Job System in the series, and the light hearted story makes for a very fun time. Overall probably the best overall package in Final Fantasy.
VIII is also very amazing. It holds a base challenge very well because the Enemies scale, and it can in fact be harder because of leveling, I for one actually love this aspect. I also think the Junction system in the best character building system in the franchise, it allows you to completely customize each one of the characters and it's has a great amount of variety.
The story isn't as good in english, but if you actually pay attention and look at the story as things happen Non verbally you can get alot of what the JPN version had that the english one is missing.
Don't know what he is on about when it comes to battle system. He couldn't be more wrong. XII's system was an attempt to bring in elements of FF XI and make it so you can customize your characters. XIII's stated goal was to bring Advent like motion and exciment to the battles, and the Optima system did that well in my opinion. XII and XIII's system are on two very different ends of the spectrum and shouldn't be judged against each other in any real way.
I would add 8 to the "must play" list due to the amazing (for the time) flexibility of its Junction system, and the fact that it's home to the best version of FF's classic card game. I never really understood the hate FFVIII gets...it only really goes to shit in the final act. :/
It's perfectly fine for a comedy, which this series has sadly become.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
DAT THIGHS!
Famitsu has the game at a 93. I'm not that prone to review scores anymore. Metacritic has killed any chance of me taking anything too seriously. It's more of a popularity, "me first" contest than actually telling us anything honest about the game. Se has had a good run of making good titles lately (though we can thank Eidos, which they own, for a good bit of that run...and I'm ignoring FF14, by the way), so I do hope it's a good game to not break that run.
To me, from what that list provided, EVERYTHING got a huge drop over there. I think it's more of the state of going out and buying a game. There were other games from franchises Japanese love that aren't doing so well at the moment, either. Like I said, I'd wait until more territories get their hands on a localized copy of the game before seeing if it flopped commercially or not
Besides, why do you think SE has focused more on the Western side of the world anymore?
I saw below! Seems Japan is a lost cause for Microsoft, huh?
I wouldn't say that. The final act has the best final dungeon, the amazing ending and great end boss.
Disc 3 is where things go up and and down storywise but I still think overall the whole game is good.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I really enjoyed the card game in ff8 too , but I didn't care for the rest of the game
the magic system is garbage imo as is drawing
+ you can miss the shiva (I think it's shiva) gf permanently if you don't draw from the tower/lighthouse or w/e boss, as I only found out on disc 3 when it was the only one I was missing. I hate it when games do that.
Because of that POS game I started playing rpgs with a walkthrough for a couple of years (which is dumb and ruins those games even if there's no story spoilers)
To be fair, there were major demographical changes from 6 to 7. Plus, popularity? C'mon. I'm taking from an artistic point of view. Justin Bieber sells more than Radiohead, but you don't seriously think that means he's "better" do you?
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. 6 and 7 are both brilliant. Just, on balance, I think 6 is the better game overall, and I think most others, viewing them critically, would come to the same conclusion.
Oh, I agree about the decline downhill. It's not clear. But as an original FFer it seems to me that the series never had cracks in it until 8 (which, I personally thought was great), and while not exactly a rule, has become progressively more "controversial" since then.
SanguineShark
Member
That's not saying a whole lot considering the much, much bigger install base of the PS3.
theprodigy
Member
we were talking about popularity, you said 6>7 on that front, people said you were wrong, you backpedaled to quality, which is definitely subjective
(for the record, I prefer FFX to FFVII)
Now that I think about it, I agree. Disc 3 was the mess.
One thing I absolutely adored about VIII's battle system was that it addressed an issue I've had with most FF games I've played: as far the the battle system and leveling up goes, most FF games are incredibly balanced...until the end. Then it just becomes a matter of spamming your most powerful spells/abilities.
VIII's drawing/junctioning system maintained that balance without being too frustrating to me. Sure, you can spam all those powerful spells you have now...OR you can junction them and boost your stats.
Such an incredible system....
uh...... I thought the question was of "best"? My entire line of responses has been under this assumption - not on a popularity v. quality. So I don't see how I'm "backpedaling".
edit:
rereading all the posts I can see how someone could interpret them as being either popularity (in a numbers sense) or in a qualitative sense. I agree 7 is the most "popular" - I'd never have disputed that. But from the get-go, I've been talking about quality.
How they did FF VII in 1997, VIII in 1999 and IX only a year later in 2000 and X in 2001 is a mystery to me.
Nope. You can miss certain summons for a portion of the game but at the end you can get the ones you missed.
And Shiva you automatically have. The one you're thinking of is Siren and like I said, you can still get her and all the others you miss.
Meccanical
Member
Games weren't as time consuming to make back then.
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Also they had talent. And vision.
They were also a hell of a lot more organized. VII-IX were run off of customized versions of the same base engine, I think.
As mentioned you can get all Guardian Forces in Ultys Castle.
Also the one your thinking of is Siren from the top og the Radio Tower during the Dollet Mission.
theprodigy
Member
Lightning Returns |OT| The Official Final Fantasy Rating Thread
would be better than actual LR discussion *shots fired*
would be better than actual LR discussion *shots fired*
Hey guys I bought the Chinese/Korean game from the HK PSN Store. I have both XIII and XIII-2 save files in my PS3 but the game didn't give me the outfits (I guess it shuold give me the outfits after I select "New Game").
Did this happen to you too? By the way anyone knows if EU and JPN save files are interchangeable? For example will I be able to start a New Game + when the game comes out in Europe using my current save file? Will I get the XIII and XIII-2 outfits when pressing New Game +?
Thanks a lot in advance
Pipeline + Skill + Great Tools for that time I guess
Did this happen to you too? By the way anyone knows if EU and JPN save files are interchangeable? For example will I be able to start a New Game + when the game comes out in Europe using my current save file? Will I get the XIII and XIII-2 outfits when pressing New Game +?
Thanks a lot in advance
Pipeline + Skill + Great Tools for that time I guess
Pauly Math
Neo Member
They had two teams.
I agree with this.
About 20$ if that one Pach Attack episode is still accurate and if I recall correctly.
I think only the translated versions let you do that. The Japanese original didn't have this, nor did it have the option of switching all of a person's junctions at once to an ally. These two fixes make the English version much more fun to play.
Meccanical
Member
Jesus, the Japanese version sounds awful.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah from what I read that's my take on it as well.
Exentryk
Member
4,770 on X360 - http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/762/762465/
I wonder how low Xbone will sell in Japan.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
quantum of solace was a sequel to casino royal (and both were stellar)
but what you said is not possible. having only numbered FF titles is too expensive to produce.
cpp_is_king
Member
The only people stupider than SE for continuing the 13 saga are Nintendo
It doesn't have to be. The excuse given was that they created the sequels to reuse FFXIII assets, thus shortening the dev time and budget, but they could have easily re-purposed those assets into a completely different game, especially since the sequels ended up being so different anyway.
Having a serialized series like FF used to be means that, if one addition to the franchise is bad, you don't necessarily chase off your entire audience. They'll come back next round because they'll know the game will be completely different. It made no sense to make sequels to a game that was so poorly received by the fans of the series.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Concerning the first point, I don't see how that'd possible to re-use XIII's assets into a brand new game.
About the second, we are at the end of this poor tortured generation, you look back in retrospect and you still translate 6+ million sales as poorly received ? man that's stubborn
airmangataosenai
Member
I heard it involved something about Lightning being the same person as the loli main villain, or something?
Watched some streams of the game, somehow the combat looks really boring for some reason, like it's an awkward middle ground between FFXIII's and an 'action' combat system.
Quantum of Solace was shit.
Quantum of Solace was shit.
Woah wait a minute there. I am only a fan of disputing bull about FFXIII. I am not a rapid fanboy (otherwise I would hate anything non 13 related and that's FAR from the case). I do not condone Perfo's...odd behaviors. The whole waifu concept in general creeps me the hell out.
Anyway, title is still misleading, duckroll. Can you post the dengaki and famitsu numbers as well, plus the other title sales of the week so people can at least see the breakdown and decide for themselves if the market is just dead or not.
Square-Enix wouldn't be the first to do it.
I'm not so much looking at the sales as I am at the damage done to the brand.
Generally I can appreciate the opinion of any fan who doesn't get aroused by Lightning in costumes.
I do think among the vocal FFXIII fan base you are among the more sane, but I still very much disagree with your view points.
I think the biggest difference is what one considers 'important' in a Final Fantasy. I will not say FFXIII is not a real FF or that fans of it are not true FF fans, but I can say it's easily the most removed from the standard, even for a series that tries something new with each entry.
Well, I'd cut out II and III actually. I was what kicked off the series and if you can get into that then it may be a great start, and IV was probably the game second or third behind VII and perhaps X as THE introductory FF, and it's not all that complex or difficult (DS aside) either. II is one of those more commonly regarded as terrible though, and I think III is kind of to I what Super Mario Bros 2j is to Super Mario Bros (well, sort of): harder version for those who mastered the prequel. XIII just isn't reflective of the series at all aside from maybe X, and X's kind of at a comfortable spot between those anyway.
Well, XII isn't either, but it's damn good so who cares.
Meccanical
Member
That's one aspect yes.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Disappointed to not be in that list? I like every single FF, all spinoffs included - crappy ones too. I have my preferences though and certanly I vastly prefer the FF following VII than the ones that came before it. It's also because I got to live and grow up with post-VII titles while discovering the pre-VII only at a later age/stage.
The most important FFs in my life have been 7, 12, 13.
Top 3 characters: Cloud, Lightning, Sephiroth
Top 3 fans: Me, Toth, Lyuukkk
Top 3 Nemesis: duckroll, kagari, haters
I can make a list for everything you desire.
Not even as a "casual fan".