We're talking about textures here. In LBP2, take the materials you see in the story levels and put them stand-alone in an empty level, remove the "art style" context from them and see the room for improvement.
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Little Big Planet 3 Shown PS4 (November 2014)
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We're talking about textures here. In LBP2, take the materials you see in the story levels and put them stand-alone in an empty level, remove the "art style" context from them and see the room for improvement.
Polioliolio
Member
It's this that I'm also feeling.
As for Sumo Digital being responsible, after Sonic and Allstars Transformed, they have my respect and appreciation, but I was really dreaming of a sequel to that game... Oh bother.
Chri_stoph
Member
I am legitimately excited about this.
And I finally know what I am going to choose as my avatar.
And I finally know what I am going to choose as my avatar.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Felt the same way
They my now be official powerups but people have created similar workarounds in LBP2 with the sackbots
Feels more like them trying to just place LBP 2 ob the platform with ab expansion pack then a direct full blown sequel
Still at least I got a LBP on my PS4 now
zeopower6
Member
Ooo, that's why it seemed familiar.
Rum Hee has been used in sooo many different commercials since it was released like 5 years ago. Great song~
boredandlazy
Member
I personally though it looked less floaty, but I didn't really have too many issues with the older games to begin with.
You should! LBP Vita was great, and Sumo Digital has put out good games as well.
I personally thought it made the series borderline unplayable. I know that there are plenty of people that won't feel that way, but I grew up on Mario. I don't want to feel like I'm controlling a cloud in what is essentially a 2d platformer.
I honestly hadn't thought about them not showing many upgrades, I was so surprised that it exists that it kinda eluded me haha. I hope there is a lot more to show, but I can't lie I'd buy it for community levels either way.
I honestly sat around searching for level remakes all the time. The most common by far is of course SMB 1-1. Please, search Mario 1-1 sometime on LBP2 (or 3) and play a handful of them. I don't know why, but it always amazes me how different each creators attempt was. Occasionally you'd find people using similar pieces or designs, but scale always seemed to be a bit different between each.
Check out this Donkey Kong remake. This was first made in the Beta iirc. I spent hours on this thing. trying to get a decent score. Want to mention again though, last time I tried this level it was broken from an old patch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6EhKr1PAug
I honestly sat around searching for level remakes all the time. The most common by far is of course SMB 1-1. Please, search Mario 1-1 sometime on LBP2 (or 3) and play a handful of them. I don't know why, but it always amazes me how different each creators attempt was. Occasionally you'd find people using similar pieces or designs, but scale always seemed to be a bit different between each.
Check out this Donkey Kong remake. This was first made in the Beta iirc. I spent hours on this thing. trying to get a decent score. Want to mention again though, last time I tried this level it was broken from an old patch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6EhKr1PAug
Canis lupus
Member
Man I was sure Sony would not have a big holiday exclusive up their sleeves, LBP3 will be a good way to pass some time in winter. Will this game be 60fps? From what I see it's not pushing graphics.
Does Project Spark have a release date yet, or is it something free that will constantly get updated and never be released on disc? Nevertheless it looks great.
LBP PSP and LBP Vita were amazing sequels that weren't done by Media Molecule.
Does Project Spark have a release date yet, or is it something free that will constantly get updated and never be released on disc? Nevertheless it looks great.
LBP PSP and LBP Vita were amazing sequels that weren't done by Media Molecule.
Media Molecule does the most with the creation aspect, but I think Tarsier and Sumo make better levels.
A lot of the textures are muddier than they could be, and it stands out more at a higher resolution. And some things could benefit from more detailed 3D models, like Sackboy.
Amazing how me and many others were able to virtually play the dickens out of 1 and 2. And hell, I grew up on classic Mario (SMB, SMB2/A, SMB3, and SMW were my jams as a kid, before I realized that Mario is a sociopath who needs to be brought to justice), so it's not like I don't know what the top tier of platformers play like. I think LBP is fine if you don't approach it expecting Mario, and spend a little time figuring out how to properly utilize the physics of the game.
KittenMaster
Member
Actually I will say that the floaty platforming was really bad in the first game, but I think that was largely because the game wasn't as well featured and relied purely on physicals obstacles that tended to topple over and hinder your movement, while LBP 2 added bounce pads and a myriad of power ups that became the focus of the level design, making the game play much better.
Haven't played Vita, and only a little bit of the PSP game (which was based on 1.)
Haven't played Vita, and only a little bit of the PSP game (which was based on 1.)
I'm pretty sure the "floaty discussion" is just a pseudo-discussion - what people really turns of is 30FPS and the lack of responsiveness they are used from Mario and Co. It's not the physics which are off, it's the framerate. It has that typical "slow reaction" feel of a 30FPS game. And that's uber noticable in a Jump'n Run, where 60FPS is pretty much a industry gold standard for years now. Why they consistently decide against it, no one knows. But sure, the most important thing is that it LOOKS great.
One set of levels that I thought were especially well designed (though unfortunately, I don't think anyone played) were the DC Comics levels for the PS3. They added wall jumping and cape gliding, and once you got the hang of it, it was a blast. I typically only play the LBP story levels to unlock the create mode content, but those levels I played for pure enjoyment as well.
Because they don't want to limit (to the extent that they can avoid it) what they, and the players, are allowed to create with the LBP toolset. If the game had to be 60fps all the time, it would severely limit creation in several ways. In LBP 2, the last level I made was jammed with so much behind-the-scenes logic crud that it ran at an amazing 10-15fps, before I finally concluded that LBP2 wasn't built for the level I had in mind, and gave up (until LBP3... heeheehee)
That was my experience. LBP1 was immensely frustrating and LBP2, with the addition of the grappling hook and bounce pads, was immensely fun.
I don't see how that would be a problem. They could design for 60 just as they designed for 30. Even more so, there would be more headroom for levels like the one you designed. If the framerate drops, it drops, if it drops from 30 it's even worse than dropping from 60.
I bet in this scenario it was a decision to make it compatible with older games. But imo, that's the wrong decision. They shouldn't artificial limit the future of the series so that it still works with older installments. Bring down the house and build a improved one and go from there. 60FPS for a JnR is extremly important.
small44
Member
It was pretty fun
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
This is one of those games I didn't want to see happen. Media Molecule impressed the hell out of me with Tear Away, so seeing them go back to this just makes me sad. I know LBP has it's fans, but I hope this is the only LBP was see on the platform.
MM aren't at the helm. It's an XDEV project with Tarsier and Sumo.
EDIT: Not Tarsier, just Sumo. Misread.
Sumo are doing the game.
IMO its a good move. Popular IP, nice user generated content, compatible with tons of previous levels (I hope creators can download them and re-edit on PS4), maybe will revitalise LBP hub?
velociraptor
Junior Member
I hope this is running at 60FPS because as Thrakier mentioned, the floaty controls are pretty bad. LBP feels quite unresponsive for a platformer and I have no doubt a higher framerate would make a tremendous difference to the controls.
small44
Member
I'm jalous why didn't make LBP1&2 level compatible to LBP Vita
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Ok, phew! I'm fine with this then.
Real world physics, how does it work?
boredandlazy
Member
That was the main reason for the floatiness I thought, since the game lives and dies based on it's physics engine it makes sense that there's a certain amount of momentum etc.
Rimon-hanit
Member
Wasn't this supposed to be FTP not going to drop 60$ for a Bend game.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sadly, the real world physics don't make it fun to play.
family_guy
Member
The floaty jumping is something that can be fixed in user made content.
And your point is?
I'm a major fan of these games but I can't help but think that this is a missed opportunity for making LBP a 3D platformer. New characters and skills is a nice idea and LBP Hub is on the way without us really knowing what it is and I do want LBP 3 but I do think a good 3D platformer would have been the smart move here.
If you learn it and don't treat it like Mario, it's manageable imo. I platinum trophied the first game within 48 hours, which was no small feat with The Bunker. The jumping is easy once you learn that materials have different traction and momentum gets you different distances. In the real world, you don't just jump off an edge without a running start and expect to fly 6 feet. It's kind of a necessary evil because the games creation engine functions off real weight, momentum, acceleration and traction. What kind of natural movement does a jumping burlap sack have anyway?
Either way, the issue is overblown because jumping mechanics were completely editable in LBP2.
BoilersFan23
Member
I do not understand why people complain about floaty controls....IMO, that is what makes LBP the game it is and I love it. It's not intended to be like other platformers.
This was huge news for me and makes me happy.
This was huge news for me and makes me happy.
sciencerob
Member
A lot of people not liking this for some reason... I haven't played this game before but it looks like a very cutesy game that will be a lot of fun to play with my fiance.
SpookyFries
Member
Beanies confirmed for LBP3!