Bruce Springsteen
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LTTP: The WWF's "Attitude Era"
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There is not one star on the current roster that is full time, SAD
Slayer-33
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Val Penis?
BadAss2961
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2 hours back then.
Anyway, this is the best era of wrestling. Not only with the Attitude Era, but because of the Monday Night wars as a whole. WCW was better for most of this period, and ECW was the perfect third product.
SolidChamp
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...I didn't know Robert Kirkman was a wrestler.
Bruce Springsteen
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This list gimmick has become so unbelievably corny
Things are not much better in 2016.
In all the right ways.
GoutPatrol
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If you are gonna post Stone Cold stuff, post the greatest hype video the WWF ever made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yLbfNywhI
The Albatross
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The WCW/NWO and Attitude era is the best era in televised professional wrestling, bar none. As a lifelong but tepid wrestling fan I was blessed to be born into the Hulkamania era and as a youngster go crazy for the larger than life guys, and then be 13, 14, 15 during the prime years of the Attitude Era, so the product was basically made for me... A testosteroned, crude 14-year-old who had the internet.
While plenty of the talent was garbage during the attitude era, and some things are obviously better today (like the wrestling. The ring product is 10,000x better today than it has ever been), the best thing was that every guy on the card was ridiculously over, every guy had a storyline that you'd be interested in, and the midcard talent was out of this world. We'll never get that again. Fans are too jaded, too burned out from the excess of the Attitude Era of wrestling (ECW, backyard wrestling, WCW's horrible turn post-1998, and the ridiculousness of WWE 2000 - 2004), but it was the best time to be a teenage, male wrestling gan.
While plenty of the talent was garbage during the attitude era, and some things are obviously better today (like the wrestling. The ring product is 10,000x better today than it has ever been), the best thing was that every guy on the card was ridiculously over, every guy had a storyline that you'd be interested in, and the midcard talent was out of this world. We'll never get that again. Fans are too jaded, too burned out from the excess of the Attitude Era of wrestling (ECW, backyard wrestling, WCW's horrible turn post-1998, and the ridiculousness of WWE 2000 - 2004), but it was the best time to be a teenage, male wrestling gan.
That's a good starting point but you'd be missing out on some really great stuff.
For example, here's a heel Austin in 1996 compilation that I put together. A lot in the Wrassin Community thread enjoyed it.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vdx9l_buildup-to-austin-vs-bret-at-survivor-series-96_tv
It's worth starting from Survivor Series 1996, and watching every Raw on fast forward and stopping if you see Austin, Bret, HBK, Owen, Rock, Mankind, Undertaker.
I think 1997 was the best year because of the Canada vs USA story, Bret as a heel, DX (the good version of DX), Undertaker vs Kane story, the rise of Austin, Foley bringing out Dude Love and Cactus Jack for the first time, HBK vs Bret, and HBK vs Undertaker.
For example, here's a heel Austin in 1996 compilation that I put together. A lot in the Wrassin Community thread enjoyed it.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vdx9l_buildup-to-austin-vs-bret-at-survivor-series-96_tv
It's worth starting from Survivor Series 1996, and watching every Raw on fast forward and stopping if you see Austin, Bret, HBK, Owen, Rock, Mankind, Undertaker.
I think 1997 was the best year because of the Canada vs USA story, Bret as a heel, DX (the good version of DX), Undertaker vs Kane story, the rise of Austin, Foley bringing out Dude Love and Cactus Jack for the first time, HBK vs Bret, and HBK vs Undertaker.
SallyIsNow
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RAW sucks because it's turned into 3 hours dedicated to trying to get drug-dependant samoan Roman Reigns over.
plagiarize
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They did that for like a month, and then dropped that shit like a ton of bricks after probably the worst RAW segment of the year (The Old Day). They practically retconned that thing out of existence.
Uno Venova
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Welcome to the best era of wrestling, where the crowds were excited about everything, because they didn't try to insult your intelligence on a daily basis, every wrestler had a distinct personality, and promos were entertaining as fuck.
Finishing it will make watching todays stuff 10 times harder than it already is.
Finishing it will make watching todays stuff 10 times harder than it already is.
Master_Funk
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It is hard to go back to in a lot of ways because of the racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic etc stuff that is actually about half of the attitude era . 2000-2001 , for me was easily the best part of the attitude era .
Fixed. There was a lot to enjoy during that period, as has been mentioned already in this thread.
Strangelove77
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I didn't know so many preferred 96-97 and disliked everything afterwards. Weird.
Anywho, I started watching around 98 I think. So I prefer that year up to whenever Austin turned heel at Wrestlemania and started saying "what?" after every sentence.
In retrospect, the attitude era has a lot of problems. It's dumb, crass and politically incorrect in a lot of ways. The wrestling for the most part isn't great. Shit can get really weird sometimes too, in a very cringey way.
But that's kind of it's charm. It's an entertaining mess.
Bikertaker can fuck off though. Fuck that goofy ass gimmick.
Anywho, I started watching around 98 I think. So I prefer that year up to whenever Austin turned heel at Wrestlemania and started saying "what?" after every sentence.
In retrospect, the attitude era has a lot of problems. It's dumb, crass and politically incorrect in a lot of ways. The wrestling for the most part isn't great. Shit can get really weird sometimes too, in a very cringey way.
But that's kind of it's charm. It's an entertaining mess.
Bikertaker can fuck off though. Fuck that goofy ass gimmick.
The reason why is because that period (96-97) had the edginess and realness of the Attitude Era without as much of the dumb, crude, and politically incorrect nonsense you'd find in 98 and onward.
What would you all say is the greatest wrestling match ever?
I feel safe to say the iron man match between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart was the best wrestling match I've ever watched. That rivalry was the best ever created because not only was it scripted so well, but those two had real friction between each other.
I feel safe to say the iron man match between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart was the best wrestling match I've ever watched. That rivalry was the best ever created because not only was it scripted so well, but those two had real friction between each other.
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Host Samurai
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96/97 felt like a legit shoot. Something it felt authentic and real. Pillmans gun, NoD, everything leading up to Kane, Ken Shamrock, Vader getting arrested, Mankind and Goldusts interviews with Jim Ross.....and I didn't even mention the Austin,HBK & Bret stuff.
Also that mini ECW invasion
Also that mini ECW invasion
I would say that one. I agree. Next might be Austin vs Bret at WM13 and HBK vs Undertaker at WM25.
plagiarize
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96 through 97 I went back and watched the PPVs, definitely a really strong stretch. that Vader Shamrock fight that basically turned into a shoot... damn that was a great match.
Host Samurai
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What's really interesting is that you can see the first spark of the Attitude era in 95 with Bret vs Diesel. It starts to progress slowly till KoR 96.
Uno Venova
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Probably a vocal minority, since the ratings peak was in late 99, early 2000 when the Rock and SCSA was at their peaks of popularity.
Plus Neogaf would be concerned more about political correctness than other forums.
lets get one thing straight: there is some awesome talent today, and the main roster is arguably deeper and more talented than it's ever been.
however, creative is inarguably the worst its ever been. vince and dunn are crazy old out of touch fucks who have no idea how to create new stars.
that being said, the attitude era is still the greatest era in wrestling history. watch from the beginning of 97 all the way to mania x7. it's incredible.
however, creative is inarguably the worst its ever been. vince and dunn are crazy old out of touch fucks who have no idea how to create new stars.
that being said, the attitude era is still the greatest era in wrestling history. watch from the beginning of 97 all the way to mania x7. it's incredible.
In wwe or in world or wrestling?
For it probably be Okada vs Tanahashi at Wrestle Kingdom 10 and wwe matches would probably be Zayn vs Neville or taker vs Michaels.
Most of the modern stuff is terrible but let's not sit here and pretend that the roster in 98 was good and that it wasn't just upheld by Stone Cold, Vince, and The Rock.
The crowds were hotter but they were hot for everything. Like Headbangers got pops despite being terrible.
You want to talk cringeworthy, nothing is more cringeworth than DX. That shit was lame then. It's extra double lame trash now.
The crowds were hotter but they were hot for everything. Like Headbangers got pops despite being terrible.
You want to talk cringeworthy, nothing is more cringeworth than DX. That shit was lame then. It's extra double lame trash now.
Austin vs. Bret at Mania 13!!!
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HBK and Undertaker had classic matches as well. Their cage matches were legendary. It would have been awesome if there was a four way cage match between Stone Cold, Undertaker, HBK, and Bret Hart.
plagiarize
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Well, I'd argue that for me, it's more because I like the wrestling. The peak of the attitude era seemed less about that, than 96 / 97 was.
plagiarize
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Indelible
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WWE is to over scripted today, which is just one of the reasons it is a slog to sit through. It is a shame because the roster is probably the best it has ever been but they are so neutered by the horrible booking. I miss RAW being must see like it was in the Attitude Era, but at least we have NXT Takeover for some quality wrestling.
¡HarlequinPanic!
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A lot of it is trash, tonedeaf and utterly offensive. The in-ring is awful, too.
But there's something to be said about how the show ran at a good quick pace and every character had interpersonal feuds. Feuds on anything but the main event these days are pretty spartan. There was more emphasis on the whole card and it wasn't unusual to hear of a kid who had like, Albert, as his favorite wrestler or some shit. With how the product is now, I can't see anyone really idolizing anyone that's not in the main event picture.
But there's something to be said about how the show ran at a good quick pace and every character had interpersonal feuds. Feuds on anything but the main event these days are pretty spartan. There was more emphasis on the whole card and it wasn't unusual to hear of a kid who had like, Albert, as his favorite wrestler or some shit. With how the product is now, I can't see anyone really idolizing anyone that's not in the main event picture.
Let see, Daniel Bryan vs evolution at wm 30 is probably the best match and storylines wwe had ever done
The following ppv with Rock/HHH was a classic though.
Host Samurai
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90% of today's in ring matches are god awful and overly scripted. The only guys I like watching are the NXT guys, Zayn, Owens, Balor, Rollins, Cesaro, AJ & Jericho. It's just way too choreographed now.
Raging Spaniard
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Seeing how Womens Wrestling was treated back then, I cant really stomach that shit anymore.
Smackdown and NXT are pretty good, CWC was incredible and yeah, RAW sucks pretty often. Overall its mostly good.
If you judge how good things are/were by crowd reactions then I dont know what to tell you. I dont like a movie, game, song or book any more or less based on shit like that.
Smackdown and NXT are pretty good, CWC was incredible and yeah, RAW sucks pretty often. Overall its mostly good.
If you judge how good things are/were by crowd reactions then I dont know what to tell you. I dont like a movie, game, song or book any more or less based on shit like that.
Ratings don't just go from 1s to 7s overnight. It's a slow gradual thing as word of mouth builds up. You can see that with something like Game of Thrones where the best season, Season 1, had probably the lowest ratings. You have to be good for a long period of time to get the ratings WWF was getting in 99 and 2000.
1997 WWF was the best year for storylines but no one was watching. I wasn't even watching. I started watching in early 98 as more and more kids in my high school were starting to talk about it. Montreal and Mike Tyson helped out a lot to get people to put it on for the first time. Once they did, they liked what they saw.
wild wild rice
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Unfortunately the wrestling takes a back seat to the drama, made for t-shirt catch phrases and frequent authority promos.
Luckily we see some actual wrestling during most PPVs, especially during Takeovers.
Sucks bruh. NJPW is where it's at for in ring fans.
Host Samurai
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100%. The product just comes off as manufactured corporate jibberish. It's a stark contrast to what it use to be
HBK v. HHH for the European title in December 1997.
In WWE? Very tough call. CM Punk v John Cena, MITB 2011? Bret v Austin at Mania 13? Taker v HBK, In Your House 18? Benoit v HHH v Michaels at Mania XX? Far too many to choose from.
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