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Macworld's analysis of E3 - Nintendo/MS/Sony are "complacent swine", "out of touch"
- Thread starter Mama Robotnik
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Well, A Link to the PastIgnis Fatuus said:
and Ocarina of Time.But yeah.
"Apple GAF" is already here and they are facepalming harder than the rest of GAF.jim-jam bongs said:
Apple is not a gaming company, these kind of articles are just nonsense.
I can agree on the Activision@Goldeneye part; yeah, I can agree, that game is a sad move, imho.
But trolling Halo Reach, the 3DS or Zelda is just... the fact that this article is from Macworld (a renowed website, not AppleFanboyz4Evah.somethingsomething) is just... I don't even... it's like these fanboys want a gaming revolution, and think the App Store is going to start that.
Yeeeah, remember when we had buttons?! old stuff.
:/
People who stopped reading at "As I type this on my MacBook Pro in my air-conditioned hotel room in Los Angeles" made the right choice.
Heh.Sporty said:
/adds Macworld to the blacklist
The Librarian
Banned
This dude is crazy. He's absolutely crazy.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
As an Apple fan he sounds like a lot of similar geeks: mainly understanding technology and viewing innovation for innovation's sake as the goal. People like that don't understand entertainment.
Entertainment is a balance between surprising the audience and delivering what they want. A good example is the new Mortal Kombat game; predictable that the author would name drop that as an example of a creatively bankrupt industry - after all, hasn't Mortal Kombat been around forever?
But look at the reaction the new game has gotten: insane buzz. Why is that happening when the last three MK games elicited a yawn and a dwindling audience?
Because the new MK is /what people wanted to see/. Ironically, it achieved surprise precisely because the need for that kind of game in the MK series hadn't been met for 15 years. It doesn't matter if it has "Mortal Kombat" in the title, it is the game the audience wants.
Apple fans right now are like Sony fans circa 2005. Their "team" has come off of astounding success and the rise to the heavens seems assured and obvious, so naturally they're going to be insanely arrogant pricks.
Entertainment is a balance between surprising the audience and delivering what they want. A good example is the new Mortal Kombat game; predictable that the author would name drop that as an example of a creatively bankrupt industry - after all, hasn't Mortal Kombat been around forever?
But look at the reaction the new game has gotten: insane buzz. Why is that happening when the last three MK games elicited a yawn and a dwindling audience?
Because the new MK is /what people wanted to see/. Ironically, it achieved surprise precisely because the need for that kind of game in the MK series hadn't been met for 15 years. It doesn't matter if it has "Mortal Kombat" in the title, it is the game the audience wants.
Apple fans right now are like Sony fans circa 2005. Their "team" has come off of astounding success and the rise to the heavens seems assured and obvious, so naturally they're going to be insanely arrogant pricks.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I bet many hardcore gamers aren't THAT interested in those titles either. Those big shooter franchises aren't completely what hardcore gaming is all about. Complaining about stagnation because of that is like complaining about the quality of modern film because Transformers 2.Burger said:
Child of Eden, Journey, El Shiddai, Kid Icarus, Kirby Epic Yarn.. I couldn't get any of this stuff before! So people should can it with the "why do they always have to make new Halo, Gears, Killzone??" stuff. There's other games!
I love my fucking iPod Touch. It's great. A lot of the applications are extremely useful, and reading news on it when I'm away from home is a breeze. Checking mail is wonderful, too.
However, guess what? I still have a Windows-based laptop that I use. I still have a Windows-based PC that I use. I still have a DS that I use. Somehow, it didn't take any of them down a notch. It serves a neat purpose, but the entire idea of it being used as a Trojan horse is an outdated idea that should have went out with the idea of PSP being used as a Trojan horse of getting UMD movies into the mainstream.
However, guess what? I still have a Windows-based laptop that I use. I still have a Windows-based PC that I use. I still have a DS that I use. Somehow, it didn't take any of them down a notch. It serves a neat purpose, but the entire idea of it being used as a Trojan horse is an outdated idea that should have went out with the idea of PSP being used as a Trojan horse of getting UMD movies into the mainstream.
I propose an hypothesis: there are other "journalists" who are similarly ridiculous more closely entrenched within our own industry. However, because they tend to focus on Nintendo (or Microsoft or Sony), they aren't so uniformly ridiculed. It is only that this "journalist" is from outside of GAF's circle that we can uniformly agree on his insane bias, when similar journalistic biases exist that we defend every day. If some "journalist" felt Sony did fantastically and that MS/Nintendo were clearly on the verge of disaster, there would be people in this thread defending his rationality, or starting posts with "This journalist is too extreme, but there is a kernel of truth to his statement," and so forth.
I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but it probably isn't without some merit.
I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but it probably isn't without some merit.
Technosteve
Banned
I agree with this article
but i disagree that apple is eating Nintendo's lunch,
maybe sony's psp lunch but not nintendo's.
Unless Apple transforms the iPod Touch to
compete in the hand held portable gaming machine,
I say Apple success with gaming on the iphone is because
majority of the software made for the App marketplace are games.
but i disagree that apple is eating Nintendo's lunch,
maybe sony's psp lunch but not nintendo's.
Unless Apple transforms the iPod Touch to
compete in the hand held portable gaming machine,
I say Apple success with gaming on the iphone is because
majority of the software made for the App marketplace are games.
bafflewaffle
Member
it is refreshing to read from a journalist who does not rely on game industry ad money
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Since when did Apple become the new authority or voice in gaming?
Anyway, I find this laughable.
Wasn't it last year Apple was showing off their new games for the iPhone which was Madden, Need For Speed, FIFA, Civ Revolution, Assassin's Creed II, and a new sci-fi FPS called Nova from Gameloft, which was described as a Halo-like first person shooter?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6217042.html
And this guy is accusing Nintendo, Sony, and MS for turning out sequels or unoriginal ideas? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Anyway, I find this laughable.
Wasn't it last year Apple was showing off their new games for the iPhone which was Madden, Need For Speed, FIFA, Civ Revolution, Assassin's Creed II, and a new sci-fi FPS called Nova from Gameloft, which was described as a Halo-like first person shooter?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6217042.html
And this guy is accusing Nintendo, Sony, and MS for turning out sequels or unoriginal ideas? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
The Librarian
Banned
The farther I get into this article, the more this dude scares me.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Not enough :lol s
jump_button
Banned
:lol maybe someone upset for not doing 3D first?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Naww.. We call out fanboy bias all the time. That's just such old hat for the Internet gaming community that it's become easily forgettable.Opiate said:
Not just fascist state by any group. Given a common enemy that requires everyone work together, feuding groups tend to bond to fight that.BocoDragon said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbers_Cave_Experiment
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Seriously? :lol
Nice to see Apple hate bridge the divide amongs the PS3/Wii/360 fans
Analysis is really lame. But there are some aspects that I could agree with if it wasn't so horrendously expressed.
iOS is going to continue to eat up marketshare of the portable gaming market. Nintendo will hold on to its marketshare for the most part, Sony's will all but be evaporated within a few years. Android isn't really making much headway with gaming. Microsoft could potentially throw a monkey wrench in Apple's plan with WinPho7's Xbox compatibility.
Console space has kind of left me jaded a bit as well. (MvC3 will take me out of my gaming slump though, hopefully)
Analysis is really lame. But there are some aspects that I could agree with if it wasn't so horrendously expressed.
iOS is going to continue to eat up marketshare of the portable gaming market. Nintendo will hold on to its marketshare for the most part, Sony's will all but be evaporated within a few years. Android isn't really making much headway with gaming. Microsoft could potentially throw a monkey wrench in Apple's plan with WinPho7's Xbox compatibility.
Console space has kind of left me jaded a bit as well. (MvC3 will take me out of my gaming slump though, hopefully)
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Opiate said:
If you say so. If you've ever been in an apple thread you know it's just cool to troll them because you know you won't ever get in trouble. Thus this full thread of "APPLE IS SO STUPID!!!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol" comments.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
I love it when article writers deliberate trolling results in their target audience eating it up. :lol
There's some truth to this, but I believe you're truly discounting the nonsense of this article.Opiate said:
All we seem to do is mistakenly tie the (largely anonymous) author's opinions to the brand's (IGN, Joystiq, Kotaku, 1UP etc.) official line. See: the silly rage over that Engadget op-ed.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Not even worth a Bel-Air.
You know if you guys really wanted to troll that troll you could point out that Apple didn't do much right except when Jobs was running the company. You know, the guy with pancreatic cancer and a liver transplant. (Yeah, I know it's low but they are fanatics. Plus the only real Apple device I've owned is an iPod Nano which btw crashed on me which is amazing given that we are talking about a device that is mostly used to play back music.)
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yeah because tech oriented gaming forums just hate Apple right?Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
WTF?
If people hate on Apple here, that's just because it's reflective of people out in the real world actually hating Apple. GAF does not have a anti-Apple bias, or even Apple apathy. This is as close you can get to finding pro-Apple demographic outside of digital design communities or actual Apple communities.
Technosteve
Banned
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
Apple doesn't make games but here are some unique iphone games,
Space Invaders Infinity Gene
Eliss
Edge
Flight Control
Real Racing
Rolando
Drop 7
BocoDragon said:
I think this is a matter of perception. Fanboy bias is often "called out," but then, that same bias is also defended, because there simply are a great number of people on this forum with affection for the products Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony have produced. So instead of seeming like uniform ridicule, it results in an argument: those who say it's obvious journalistic bias, and those who vociferously argue that, at its heart, it represents an important truth. Or something.
This thread is different -- virtually everyone seems to agree that this represents gross bias. I'm arguing that it's a great deal easier for all of us to remain objective when the company this "journalist" argues in favor of is generally outside GAF's purview.
That's a reasonable argument.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Vinci said:
Completely agree.
BocoDragon said:
What are you talking about?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Those are games?Technosteve said:Apple doesn't make games but here are some unique iphone games,
Space Invaders Infinity Gene
Eliss
Edge
Flight Control
Real Racing
Rolando
Drop 7
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Makes sense.Opiate said:
But in this case were not just talking about a Pro-Apple bias. Many people are pro-Apple here... But what they aren't is Pro-Apple/Completely ignorant about rest the current gaming industry.
This article is not just pro-Apple.. It's actually speaking as a blind outsider to gaming commenting on it from an Apple-only perspective.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
What kind of trashy, lazy nerd wears flip-flops when they know they're going to be indoors and on their feet all day?
MrMephistoX
Member
Mama Robotnik said:
It's as if a million tower defense and bejeweled app clones cried out at once and then were suddenly silenced.
I love my apple gear as much as the next guy but come on.