kurtrussell
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Snitches get stitches, bra
Why would you even want to get involved? You were obviously trawling the EDL facebook page looking for something to be outraged at. What did you really expect to see?
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Snitches get stitches, bra
Why would you even want to get involved? You were obviously trawling the EDL facebook page looking for something to be outraged at. What did you really expect to see?
I have a social conscience I guess. If someone's posting that kind of stuff what's to say they're not acting on it? People have received prison sentences for less (that Welsh student who tweeted about Muamba for instance).
I understand, but did you ever go on the thousands of other hate related pages and report them or no? I've already seen dozens and dozens of pages where people are happy and say it's justified.
Those EDL pages are pretty tame compared to the stuff that is on there. Not saying I don't disagree with your stance, pictures like that should be taken down.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So...60,000 new subscribers to the EDL FB page last night. Any thoughts? Has this incident reinvigorated the EDL?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Hopefully they're just idiots clicking the like button and will promptly forget about it. EDL doing their best to capitalise on this though. Cunts.
No, but it did create a shitload of new anti-Muslim sentiment. Even the main newspaper sites have had to moderate comments or shut them down.
In a way it has reinvigorated the EDL because someone who was already closet racist now feels secure enough to wear a mask and start throwing bottles at cops etc.
The EDL has capitalized on this and it's a bit disheartening how quick people are resorting to racist rhetoric and generalizations.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
He had a two year old kid
Rip Lee Rigby
I'm not sure how the UK treats soldiers or vets there, but that kid better be taken care of properly.
Meus Renaissance
Member
The attitudes the EDL have aren't limited to the group exclusively but incidents like this, and the publicity the group get with their vocal response, have made them the umbrella of an anti-Muslim narrative in England.
The EDL itself doesn't concern me with respect to what they may do; they're more akin to football hooligans than militants. What does concern me is if their views become more mainstream; if we see xenophobia [towards Muslims] reach the levels they have in the US - I fear what it may trigger from within segments of the Muslim community.
Realistically I don't think it'll get to that point, however.
Eighty Deuce
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Seriously? lol
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
You have never been to America then? Or hell, heard anything about it.
BattleMonkey
Member
Wait we have a xenophobia issue in the US?
Meus Renaissance
Member
US lawmkers, who try to create an "anti-Shariah" bill, express concern because he confuses a mop-sink in a building for a Muslim foot washing-sink. I think its fair to say we haven't reached that level here.
I was referring specifically to xenophobic attitudes towards Muslims
BlazingDarkness
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Ignis Fatuus
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This would be because you apparently don't know anything about the American legislative system. Here any idiot elected to some small hick district out in the rural south is allowed to propose legislation. That doesn't mean jack shit will ever come of it. It's not at all comparable to your Parliamentary systems where the party leaderships have almost complete control over the agenda.
We have no Front Nationale. We have no UK Independence Party. We do have the Tea Party but even they aren't a racial organization. There is no political arm for xenophobes. I lived in Europe for a year and I saw a lot of casual acceptance of the idea that Muslims are troublemakers. That mentality is not prevalent in our cities. Our Islamic leaders and communities cooperate with the authorities. After the Boston bombings there were no acts of retaliation, no calls for protests like the EDL. If a pair of home grown Islamists blew up a crowd of Brits at a marathon, would you guys take it as well as we did? I don't think you know what you're talking about at all.
I can't breathe..
Wow lol
Freezie KO
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Meus Renaissance
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Fair point. I rescind my comment - I hope I didn't find any Americans reading it.
He meant to say "Muslim rape gangs". Could be that he is drunk or a really thick accent.
Freezie KO
Banned
CHEEZMO;58945309 said:
That's pretty frightening to hear you call them "fascist" when you're in another thread (about Greece and Golden Dawn) advocating the killing of "fascists." There are some racists in the Tea Party, but they're nowhere near a "fascist group." That's absurd overstatement.
Never heard of these EDL people, but they're interviews are pure entertainment.
"Get our troops out of Iran and Iran."
*Has a no surrender to Al NQaeda shirt*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYU5kpPHM40
"Get our troops out of Iran and Iran."
*Has a no surrender to Al NQaeda shirt*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYU5kpPHM40
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Nope. I spend a lot of my free time observing Tea Party stuff for fun, and the whole thing is absolutely packed from the bottom to the top with racists of every stripe. Even more so now that it's started to fade from political relevance - full-on White supremacists all that kind of shit have been slowly moving in.
Freezie KO
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CHEEZMO;58947569 said:
That doesn't sound like fun at all.
Anyway, I just think it diminishes the word for describing actual fascists (like Golden Dawn) when the worst the Tea Party is does is vote out the more moderate candidates in primaries and vote down background check laws. They're hardly the violent, authoritarian threat bubbling under the surface that the word implies.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Well their most favoured topics of discussion are things like talking about how immigrants should be deported, illegal immigrants should be murdered crossing the border, the Civil Rights Act was evil and un-American, Slavery apologism, lamenting that they're no longer allowed to call "those people" niggers, how all liberals/muslims/socialists should be treated as enemies (and in the case of some, all murdered), race war fantasies, masturbatory fantasies about minorities breaking into their house so they can
So yeah. Not a nice bunch of people.
Freezie KO
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CHEEZMO;58949865 said:
Well, we're taking this off topic, so this'll be my last post on the Tea Party. But I think you find a lot of extremists on the net, especially when you go looking for them for fun. The Tea Party thus far hasn't tried any violent insurrection, and while I have no doubt what you wrote is representative of some members, it's still essentially strawmanning the rest when that's not part of any sort of official platform and you have no polls to prove those are their thoughts.
Ignis Fatuus
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CHEEZMO™;58945309 said:
I don't doubt it, but that's not what the organization focuses its attention on. They're packed with idiots but they're funded and utilized by the wealthy elites to promote a primarily economic agenda.
That's because the reigns of the Tea Party are held by people who just want to make money and don't actually give a shit about the rest of that nonsense.
When I think Tea Party, I think Glenn Beck and he's in an alliance with the most dangerous person on the planet.
Luckily that doesn't stop me from seeing them as a bunch of ignorant, incompetent puppets who do more harm to their patron's cause than good. Heh, a bit like that most dangerous person.
Luckily that doesn't stop me from seeing them as a bunch of ignorant, incompetent puppets who do more harm to their patron's cause than good. Heh, a bit like that most dangerous person.
Freezie KO
Banned
Gross hyperbole. Netanyahu as the most dangerous person on the planet? He wishes he was. If you're talking about the ability to wield power, then it's Obama. If you're talking about people opposed to civilized Western interests, it's sure not a guy responsible for occupying a tiny desert in the world's asshole.
Who else is capable of provoking a war that puts NATO against Russia/China on a battlefield they care enough about to get involved in?
I do think a war with Iran is the worst thing humans can cause currently and Neocons still seem eager to pursue it despite the Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya disasters. They even successfully pushed for the removal of Iran insurgents, Mojahedin-e-Khalq, from the terrorist list, who previously killed US soldiers, civilians and fought for Saddam. Once they make deals with terrorists the intentions must be tangible.
I think Obama wants to prevent such scenario, at least I'm convinced he luckily has no interests in paying his respects to even more soldier caskets draped in flags. But if Netanyahu really wanted Obama would have to follow, how did he put it again, eternal friendship?
Edit; President Obama says our friendship with Israel is eternal and hails eternal US-Israel alliance with unwavering support. Eternal is such an incredibly stupid word too, nothing is.
Freezie KO
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CHEEZMO;58960501 said:
Ok.
It feels weird to hope that it was just a random crime.
It happened 3 weeks ago, so it certainly wasn't connected to this incident, at least.
Well there you go, I need some sleep. Too tired to even read the date.
Ive seen people suddenly bring this up. Whats the connection here?
Hoya Destroyer
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He was born here.
The only good thing about Anjem Choudhary is that he inspires me to live long enough to dance on his grave.
Just like in every other thread probably which is to stir the pot or deflect criticism. Just like every thread connected to the Boston bombing had people keep bringing up Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber or the threads about rape in India had people bring up Steubenville etc. Now people are bringing up this hate crime to show that the reverse happens.
They do have a point though, bother acts were planned murders on the basis of hate. Though I'd categorize the attack on the old man as a random act of hate crime violence and this as a politically motivated attack. The motives were different. These guys wanted the attack to be gruesome, in front of everyone to make a political statement, to create fear and paranoia. The other was some random hate killing by a pathetic worm who stabbed him and ran. No real motive outside of the fact he probably hated Muslims.
I just don't understand humanity sometimes. So full of hate and violence. How can you possibly ever kill someone? Is life worth nothing?
jufonuk
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Just watched that video, had to stop myself putting my fist through the screen.
any extremist of any religion winds me the fuck up, arrrrrrrrrrgh so many logical fallacies, my mind cannot cope.
any extremists arguments can be boild down to:
I dont agree with what you are saying, even though I have contradicted myself, let me quote something to show why I am right, la la la la cannot hear you i have my fingers in my ears.
By Extremist, I mean the ones who ram it down your throat, try and convert you, won't leave you alone and have the mentality that, their way is the only way, all with undercurrents of violence.
All bad as each other, regardless of religion or race, Just let me live my life, ok cool thank you.
I am sorry but I have to voice my opinion....
Violence breeds violence
The guy talking to the camera had a point unfortunately
This is the result of the war that the British and the Americans started....
In Afghanistan and Israel things are far far worse
People die everyday from women to kids....
The government of Britain and the US are to blame
Violence breeds violence
The guy talking to the camera had a point unfortunately
This is the result of the war that the British and the Americans started....
In Afghanistan and Israel things are far far worse
People die everyday from women to kids....
The government of Britain and the US are to blame
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