Gordon Shumway
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Sounds like a happy place..speedy recovery to the victim.
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Man with towel-wrapped arms, flags down cops, cops shoot him
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webkatt
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At least he isn't black?
But really this is scary. I live in Pasadena and this is a stones toss away from me.
Even ED-209 gave people 20 seconds to comply before it started shooting.
He's not dead
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
Police have no right to shoot people. At least no more right than any normal person. And yet police shooting unarmed people is all hunky dory for them. It just requires some extra paperwork that they get paid overtime to write.
yeah. He kinda had it coming for being an asshole, though (the guy in Casino, not this one)
these news are hardly surprising anymore. You hear it's cop-related, from America, and you just expect a bad ending
InfiniteBento
Member
This thing of shooting shit instead of utilizing other tools on their belts is fucking ridiculous. Might as well just give them a belt with only a gun and a body bag on it at this point since everyone seems to forget you can subdue most targets without shooting them or killing them first.
This shit is insane.
This shit is insane.
crisdecuba
Member
I think they're required to cuff him or something at that point... Regardless this is terrible judgment. No reason to assume there was a gun inside the towel.
That's a good point that I hadn't considered.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Cop: Fuck, no gun...I hope this motherfucker has criminal record I can excuse this with.
As an excuse used by cops? Sure. Especially when the other person ends up dead, and they don't have the chance to say otherwise.
Orbis Tabula
Member
Arthur Dent should probably look out.
Procedure. You handcuff everyone wounded or not, dead or not.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Did they not stop to think that, y'know , maybe he had burned his arms or something and was flagging them down for help?
Like, they're supposed to help people? Their job?
Right?
Like, they're supposed to help people? Their job?
Right?
Just because it is procedure doesnt make it not fucked up or right.
It is for the safety of everyone including paramedics who sometimes have wounded people in their ambulance try and fight them. The only times the cuffs don't come on is when the head is literally missing from the body. The cuffs come off at the request of EMTs or Doctors at the hospital.
I think a much more sane solution would be to hold off on cuffing the person who was shot until he was in the ambulance and then cuff him to the gurney. I mean, arent you going to have to un-cuff him anyways to get the person on the gurney? That way, police officers aren't harming the person they just shot by cuffing him. Hell, they could then even try to stop the blood flow and put pressure on the wound they just made, but that might be too much to ask for.
Obviously, there can be some discretion.
They thought he was armed. Why wouldn't you handcuff someone you thought was armed? You cuff him and search him for any possible weapons.
The life of the 'offender' doesn't take priority over the life of a first responder such as a paramedic or fellow officer. The person will be cuffed, searched, and paramedics/EMTs can request the cuffs to come off.
The only First Aid police are required to give is to call an ambulance. Most police out there don't even know first aid basics like that either. Some don't even know CPR.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
You say that now, but you've never felt a dehumanizing stare from a Klingon.
Police lives>>>Citizens lives
While that isnt news to me, it is pretty shocking that some police are either too stupid or too callous to realize that putting pressure on the wound you just made would help that person survive.
PipefishUK
Banned
Cos you just shot him in the face and he's lying on the ground unconscious?
Byakuya769
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Cop Hating gaf at it again. Have you been out on the streets in life or death situations? Some people see a towel--others have to be worried about this:
More like Everyone's lives > the offender.
If the wounded offender turns out to be a threat and hurts anyone (cop or non-cop), that cop is screwed.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Maybe he's got a gun hidden up his butt.
The offender in this case being a guy trying to be "Everyone's lives" by flagging down a cop for help.
The problem with the entire system right now is the cops being unable or unwilling to distinguish between "the offender" and "everyone else".
And the more and more cops that turn "everyone else" into "the offender", the worse things get.
Yes, I am sure that the person you just shot in the head or the chest is going to turn around and hurt someone...
But hey, those police had to protect every citizen from the dude they just shot in the head from his dangerous towel.
That person was not an offender.
It is part of the police job to assess the level of risk an individual poses, and they failed miserably at this case.
And yes, that type of risk assessment can be dangerous, police work can be dangerous, it's part of the job.
BinaryPork2737
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The guy was shot in the head and it was obvious at that point that he wasn't armed. Did you even watch the video linked in the news article? He wasn't a "wounded offender," he was a wounded, innocent, unarmed man.
Byakuya769
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JLC, are you an officer?
PipefishUK
Banned
What's the procedure for becoming a cop in the USA? I assume it's slightly different in each state?
I applied for the police (Dorset Police - but I believe it's standardised across the UK) in the UK years ago. First off you fill in a massive long form on the website, they vet you and check you out. Then they send you another form that's like 20 pages long that you fill in on the Web or in writing - in it you have to basically write little essays.
Then after that if you get picked you have to go for a day to this place when they test you on maths, English, etc.
Then you do role-plays to check you're not violent, racist, sexist, homophobic, and don't hold any prejudice. Then you're interviewed and profiled to within an inch of your life to check some more that you're not a racist, violent nut.
Then you have fitness tests, then you might, if you're lucky and still want to, get into the first part of the training...
It's thorough and it's hard. Not saying it's perfect and we don't have any bad cops, but that gives you an idea of what you have to do in the UK to be a cop.
- It seems to me that in the USA, any unstable trigger happy idiot on a power trip can join up?
I applied for the police (Dorset Police - but I believe it's standardised across the UK) in the UK years ago. First off you fill in a massive long form on the website, they vet you and check you out. Then they send you another form that's like 20 pages long that you fill in on the Web or in writing - in it you have to basically write little essays.
Then after that if you get picked you have to go for a day to this place when they test you on maths, English, etc.
Then you do role-plays to check you're not violent, racist, sexist, homophobic, and don't hold any prejudice. Then you're interviewed and profiled to within an inch of your life to check some more that you're not a racist, violent nut.
Then you have fitness tests, then you might, if you're lucky and still want to, get into the first part of the training...
It's thorough and it's hard. Not saying it's perfect and we don't have any bad cops, but that gives you an idea of what you have to do in the UK to be a cop.
- It seems to me that in the USA, any unstable trigger happy idiot on a power trip can join up?
Some police departments (I am really hoping it was just that one) in the US prefer dumber cops to smarter ones
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I find that disgusting.
I mean fucking hell, nearly everyone in the UK knows how to give CPR, recovery position, put pressure on wounds etc.
It doesn't matter what your job is, most companies put you through those courses.
Shit, you get taught that basic stuff in primary education....
SliceSabre
Banned
Say no more, not a single cop on that force is worth shit.
The handcuffing is part of the risk assessment process. The wounded person is handcuffed and searched to confirm that he/she isn't an actual risk. The person isn't 'unarmed' until an officer actually searches the individual for weapons. Until an officer searches a person they can 'potentially' be armed. In order to be searched, the potentially armed person is handcuffed and then searched no the other way around.
PipefishUK
Banned
Oh yeah, and after all that - you even don't get a gun... Only specially trained armed officers have guns - and they have to have years of experience plus a load of extra profiling and training on top. (I do know that wouldn't really be a realistic option in the USA, as it is now)
SliceSabre
Banned
When you blow someone's brains out they stop being a risk.
Course that's just my opinion.
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