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Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions - Review Thread
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Greatest Ever
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With some of the gameplay changes made, absolutely no fucking way.
Ours!
http://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/m...-bowsers-minions-review-perfectly-remastered/
8/10
"Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowsers Minions is a mouthful, but this remastered classic is a keen reminder as to why the series has maintained such a high bar of RPG quality over the years. Its established formula and rhythmic pace make it a hard adventure to put down, even if some of its parts are more superfluous than substantial."
http://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/m...-bowsers-minions-review-perfectly-remastered/
8/10
"Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowsers Minions is a mouthful, but this remastered classic is a keen reminder as to why the series has maintained such a high bar of RPG quality over the years. Its established formula and rhythmic pace make it a hard adventure to put down, even if some of its parts are more superfluous than substantial."
mindatlarge
Member
Own the GBA version but looks like a worthy remake. Probably will pick it up down the road.
Some things I liked over the original, some things the original executed better. Comes down to personal preferences which you'll enjoy more, good remake for me though.
Grim Patron
Member
Ours is up as well: http://www.godisageek.com/reviews/mario-and-luigi-superstar-saga-and-bowsers-minions-review/
9/10
9/10
Greatest Ever
Member
If possible, you guys should play this game in one way or the other. If you have not played this game, PLAY it. It is among Nintendo's finest publications ever, if ever (because Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a thing, and it's fantastic).
This game is magnificent. I'm not kidding when I say that among the hundreds of games I've played and beaten among the years, this ranks maybe third all time. It's one of four 10s I have ever given, and I'm someone who likes using the entire range of the scale.
The humor is constantly on point. The gameplay is a great use of the GameBoy Advance system. The script is the strongest a Mario RPG has ever been, and the way they created this overworld chock full of secrets and enemies (no random encounters in this JRPG!) on a GBA cartridge is amazing.
SuperStar Saga takes some noticeable inspirations from, and don't take this the wrong way, Chrono Trigger. Nothing too 1:1 but you can see the subtle similarities. It's better too, although I'm not too high on Chrono Trigger.
Seriously, this is one of my favorite games ever. It's paced perfectly, and one of the close to perfect games I've ever played.
This game is magnificent. I'm not kidding when I say that among the hundreds of games I've played and beaten among the years, this ranks maybe third all time. It's one of four 10s I have ever given, and I'm someone who likes using the entire range of the scale.
The humor is constantly on point. The gameplay is a great use of the GameBoy Advance system. The script is the strongest a Mario RPG has ever been, and the way they created this overworld chock full of secrets and enemies (no random encounters in this JRPG!) on a GBA cartridge is amazing.
SuperStar Saga takes some noticeable inspirations from, and don't take this the wrong way, Chrono Trigger. Nothing too 1:1 but you can see the subtle similarities. It's better too, although I'm not too high on Chrono Trigger.
Seriously, this is one of my favorite games ever. It's paced perfectly, and one of the close to perfect games I've ever played.
Storm Kyleis
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Scorpio?
shira
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entremet
Member
This appears to by hyperbole based on the reviews.
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
Well said. Superstar Saga is a phenomenal game. Definitely in the upper echelons of role playing games that have ever been made, in my opinion.
Super glad this is getting a shiny remaster, but I can't get behind some of the character sprite swaps they made. Don't know yet if I'll be buying this one. Might jump in to appease my nostalgia, but not at a time of year when my Switch is already blowing up with new games.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Its better then all the mario rpgs that came out on the ds and 3ds combined.
"isn't much cop" = "not worth talking about"
Toadthemushroom
Member
Great game, glad it's still seen as a top-tier RPG 14 years on.
Greatest Ever
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Haven't played BiS, but not exactly a high bar.
Linkstrikesback
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Magicpaint
Member
You...need to play BiS. It's maybe not as cohesive as SS, but it's amazing how well it works playing as Bowser as well. Amazing game. Personally I've always been more of a M&L person than PM.
Yeah, definitely play it! GE, how can you not have played BIS?! As such a big fan of SS I'm genuinely surprised. Also: Dream Team is supremely under-appreciated. As is Color Splash.
Jonneh3003
Banned
I'm putting my review up in around half an hour. I still love Superstar Saga but the remake doesn't recapture the same vibe.
Magicpaint
Member
I enjoyed them in BiS but there was no need to bring them back.
My current game lists is packed. Maybe pick this up in the winter. Shame the newer sprites just don't look as great as the og exaggerated animations and many custom npcs have been replaced with generics.
Is this game 60fps or 30 like the other 3ds games?
Game was super slick when I replayed on wii u. Would be a bummer if this lost some of that fluidity
Is this game 60fps or 30 like the other 3ds games?
Game was super slick when I replayed on wii u. Would be a bummer if this lost some of that fluidity
Jonneh3003
Banned
Here's my review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLYU66NDFZs&feature=youtu.be
Gave it an 8.8. It has some worthwhile quality of life improvements but it also fails to capture the vibe of the original game and ends up falling a little short overall. Still a remarkable game yet I find myself preferring the GBA version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLYU66NDFZs&feature=youtu.be
Gave it an 8.8. It has some worthwhile quality of life improvements but it also fails to capture the vibe of the original game and ends up falling a little short overall. Still a remarkable game yet I find myself preferring the GBA version.
pretty done
Member
Doesn't really say much. The franchise went down the shitter after the GBA.
Cell_Biology
Member
I was thinking of replaying Superstar Saga so these reviews will definitely sway me into replaying it or buying this.
I really enjoyed this game on the GBA, so it's nice to see that people who haven't played it get to experience it. Although I really liked Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story, I haven't played Partners in Time, Dream Team, or Paper Jam. I'll probably pick those up over a remake.
Wow this post makes me want to play this now!
Greatest Ever
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been meaning to, really comes down to not using that platform anymore.
castaction
Member
I finished dream team last week and i hated thoae part , cant wait to play superstar saga
Cell_Biology
Member
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
Do you have any examples of this?
While it's still a fab game, they lost a fair bit of charm by making a ton of the characters less expressive. That, and the music is almost all worse.
I don't think that there's much to speculate upon other than reviewers being much more critical these days than they were nearly 15 years ago. If the original was being released for the first time, I imagine that it would score about the same as the remake.
1. Different reviewers.
2. Standards change.
3. Not all the changes were for the better.
4. When the game came out in 2002 it was only the third Mario RPG game and the concept was still novel at the time. Now not so much.
TwistedFreeze
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Personally, after going through Partners in Time, Bowsers Inside Story, and Dream Team, it felt somewhat ho-hum by comparison but it was still good stuff. I can at least say it has some of the best pacing in the series and has very little fluff or padding
Jonneh3003
Banned
The original has more personality. The remake is better in a number of areas but lasting impressions fall a little short. I would personally score the original higher even today.
Unwanted changes to difficulty balance just to make the game line up more with the sequels.
Lost a bit of charm in the new visuals, including some previously unique character/enemy designs becoming generic koopas/toads.
Apparently the music is worse? I can't comment on that.
From what I've seen it looks like a serviceable version of the game if you have no other options, but the original is still superior. The score makes sense.
If you liked the humor in SMRPG, you'll be right at home with the M&L games. It's a lot of the same zany absurd humor with crazy characters (Fawful could very well be a lost relative of Booster), while expanding the hell out of the timed hits system to the point where the game blurs the line between turn-based and action RPG quite effectively.
If I'm not mistaken, AlphaDream is mostly former Square staff, including a few that worked on SMRPG, which makes the influence more obvious.
I think Super Star Saga was the best M&L game by far as well so by extension I think this one should be better than it's predecessors but I still feel like some of the changes they made are a step back from the original. Personally I also hate the evolution the art style took once it moved to the 3DS.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Is that really what explains the lower metascore, though? Wouldn't it just be a completely different sample of review sources, and reviewers between 2003 and a few hours after the remake launches in 2017?
James Scott
Banned
Outside of Bowsers inside story they all were kind of mediocre at best
Never did play through the original M&L. It was rough on the Wii U VC but maybe Ill check this one out eventually
You're totally right, I'm just saying there are some problems which may warrant a lower score. I doubt many reviewers are actually comparing differences between the two games down to the tiny details.